Thread: I will not vote for McCain even if that means Obama wins.

Nobody hates war more than a soldier and McCain is definitely a better choice when it comes to national security. You can argue all you want about border security. All of them have failed miserably in that category. Obama on the other hand is dangerous when it comes to matters of dealing with terrorism and national security. Talk with terrorist leaders without pre-condition? Bomb Pakistan? Pull out of Iraq within six months? These are well documented Obama positions. He is far too left, politically correct and beholden to America hating people like George Soros.

Regardless of who wins the election, the conservative movement will be wandering in the wilderness for four years!

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Those are both valid responses. But I think McCain is more likely to flat out attack countries who have never attacked us. I think Obama is more likely to send "peackekeeping troops" into troubled areas.

Either way, we're stuck with perpetual war, for absolutely no good reason.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Nobody hates war more than a soldier and McCain is definitely a better choice when it comes to national security. You can argue all you want about border security. All of them have failed miserably in that category. Obama on the other hand is dangerous when it comes to matters of dealing with terrorism and national security. Talk with terrorist leaders without pre-condition? Bomb Pakistan? Pull out of Iraq within six months? These are well documented Obama positions. He is far too left, politically correct and beholden to America hating people like George Soros.

Regardless of who wins the election, the conservative movement will be wandering in the wilderness for four years!

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Those are both valid responses. But I think McCain is more likely to flat out attack countries who have never attacked us. I think Obama is more likely to send "peackekeeping troops" into troubled areas.

Either way, we're stuck with perpetual war, for absolutely no good reason.

We don't need another 9-11 to make us understand that we are really fighting terrorism. Iran is ready to move right into Iraq as soon as we leave. We need to finish the job.

Originally Posted by yongmi

We don't need another 9-11 to make us understand that we are really fighting terrorism. Iran is ready to move right into Iraq as soon as we leave. We need to finish the job.

Yawn.....

What job is that we need to finish - wiping the orthodox Muslims off the face of the earth?

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I hope that you're not implying that our soldiers are targeting innocent Muslims! If so, this is an insult to our soldiers, their families and anyone who has respect for our military. Shame on you.

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Originally Posted by yongmi

We don't need another 9-11 to make us understand that we are really fighting terrorism. Iran is ready to move right into Iraq as soon as we leave. We need to finish the job.

Yawn.....

What job is that we need to finish - wiping the orthodox Muslims off the face of the earth?

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Originally Posted by yongmi

We don't need another 9-11 to make us understand that we are really fighting terrorism. Iran is ready to move right into Iraq as soon as we leave. We need to finish the job.

Yawn.....

What job is that we need to finish - wiping the orthodox Muslims off the face of the earth?

AngelaTC..I would very much appreciate you explaining what you mean by this statement you posted.
Thanks in advance

McCain is such an arse. He's getting all over Obama (and I'm not defending him so don't take it that way please) for not visiting Iraq. So what that he didn't and even if he did I say so what? Who cares? Is McCain visiting Iraq suppose to change the way I feel about him? Yeah he's such a real bad arse going to Iraq under a fully armed guard in an area where nothing is going to happen. I'm suppose to think, oh he's so patriotic, he's so pro troops, he's so American because he visited the troops. Oh WWWWOOOWWWW!!!! I wasn't going to vote for him before, but now that he visited the troops, I'm totally swayed, give me a freaking break. Your a real war hero aren't you McCain? Yeah your a legend in your own mind.

Hey McCain if you so for the freaking war in Iraq, why don't you prove it by going to Iraq, picking up an M-16 and do your part or how about sending over one of your children if you have any? This I visited the troops so I'm pro war, pro troops garbage is nothing, but a bunch of political hogwash. It's nothing, but a shell game to these people and it's an outright insult on the intelligence of real Americans who think.

We have real problems in this country and these jacka--es are too busy playing these idiotic games and acting like a bunch of spoiled, rotten rich kid cry babies. What's next? My dad is better than your dad, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm sick of this crap. How is this game of political one upsmanship suppose to solve any of our real problems? America deserves better than this. These Republicans are so afraid of getting out of Iraq because they are afraid and too stubborn to admit they made a mistake in going into that hell hole in the first place. They lack a spine and are wondering why they are a dieing party and are almost completely irrelevant as a party. They'd rather see this country destroyed then to admit they screwed up and try to fix it.

Screw both of the parties. I have no time for such BS. Nothing will change until America pulls it's head out of the sand and starts kicking these corrupt traitors out of office.

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Originally Posted by yongmi

We don't need another 9-11 to make us understand that we are really fighting terrorism. Iran is ready to move right into Iraq as soon as we leave. We need to finish the job.

Yawn.....

What job is that we need to finish - wiping the orthodox Muslims off the face of the earth?

Remember according to Bush, God told him to invade Iraq. That is what we are dealing with. A bunch of mentally deranged millionaire, spoiled rotten, rich kids in suits playing politics with all of our lives. They have been lying so much that they don't even know what the truth is anymore. Most of them have never had to work for anything in their lives and just like the illegals, they all have a sense of entitlement and feel they can have carte blanche to do whatever they want, people be damned.

People they are politicians, not kings, please wake up and kick them out of power and elect some real choices for some real change. If you don't then don't complain when nothing changes and things get worse. I sure don't want to hear it.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

I hope that you're not implying that our soldiers are targeting innocent Muslims! If so, this is an insult to our soldiers, their families and anyone who has respect for our military. Shame on you.

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Originally Posted by yongmi

We don't need another 9-11 to make us understand that we are really fighting terrorism. Iran is ready to move right into Iraq as soon as we leave. We need to finish the job.

Yawn.....

What job is that we need to finish - wiping the orthodox Muslims off the face of the earth?

I know the media likes to show only bad news, but the soldiers who are fighting for our freedom thinks we should finish the job. I know Ron Paul wants to pulled out of Iraq ASAP. AngelaTC, are you supporting Paul? I really want to know why you would think we need to go against our soldiers. Please do not say "Yawn" because I have never been disrespectful to any one around here even if I disagree.

Dman, you may not agree with many of McCain's policies. Neither do I. I do have tremendous respect for his military service however and the sacrifice he has made for this country, including his time as a POW in that hell hole the Hanoi Hilton. He's done his time and paid his dues. The man deserves our deep thanks and our respect. Rest assured that the troops have great respect for him as well. By the way, McCain has a son serving in Iraq. On the other hand, Obama, as a potential commander in chief absolutely should go to Iraq. We should demand no less since, if elected, he would lead our entire military. Unfortunately, his positions on the military and Iraq are quite clear and naively dangerous to those of us who understand that freedom isn't free at all and we live in a very different world now. 9-11 is crystal clear in my memory. I remember the instant our lives were changed forever.

Regarding McCain and his policies. First, I think he will win in a near landslide in November. If this comes to pass, I intend to hold him and our congress fully accountable for cleaning up this nightmare we have with Illegal Immigration. I intend tol pull no punches. Our government rightly deserves our full wrath. Second, McCain MUST stop the ridiculous earmark spending going on and gain control over our national finances. It remains to be seen whether he has the where-with-all to do this. Third, he MUST absolutely put a stop to exporting and farming out American jobs. Our economy is bleeding and this is only hastening it's demise. If he can achieve these three things than I would be pretty satisfied. Sorry for my long soapbox!

Originally Posted by dman1200

McCain is such an arse. He's getting all over Obama (and I'm not defending him so don't take it that way please) for not visiting Iraq. So what that he didn't and even if he did I say so what? Who cares? Is McCain visiting Iraq suppose to change the way I feel about him? Yeah he's such a real bad arse going to Iraq under a fully armed guard in an area where nothing is going to happen. I'm suppose to think, oh he's so patriotic, he's so pro troops, he's so American because he visited the troops. Oh WWWWOOOWWWW!!!! I wasn't going to vote for him before, but now that he visited the troops, I'm totally swayed, give me a freaking break. Your a real war hero aren't you McCain? Yeah your a legend in your own mind.

Hey McCain if you so for the freaking war in Iraq, why don't you prove it by going to Iraq, picking up an M-16 and do your part or how about sending over one of your children if you have any? This I visited the troops so I'm pro war, pro troops garbage is nothing, but a bunch of political hogwash. It's nothing, but a shell game to these people and it's an outright insult on the intelligence of real Americans who think.

We have real problems in this country and these jacka--es are too busy playing these idiotic games and acting like a bunch of spoiled, rotten rich kid cry babies. What's next? My dad is better than your dad, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm sick of this crap. How is this game of political one upsmanship suppose to solve any of our real problems? America deserves better than this. These Republicans are so afraid of getting out of Iraq because they are afraid and too stubborn to admit they made a mistake in going into that hell hole in the first place. They lack a spine and are wondering why they are a dieing party and are almost completely irrelevant as a party. They'd rather see this country destroyed then to admit they screwed up and try to fix it.

Screw both of the parties. I have no time for such BS. Nothing will change until America pulls it's head out of the sand and starts kicking these corrupt traitors out of office.