Thread: I will not vote for McCain even if that means Obama wins.

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Illegal immigration should never be the only criteria by which a candidate is judged.

Not the only criteria. But on this site, it is a deal breaker. I am willing to compromise on all issues EXCEPT illegal immigration. There are not only conservatives here. McCain is ugly to many people here even outside illegal immigration. Its not about who is more conservative (and quite honestly, I am usure what that means these days). Its mainly about immigration here, and between McShame, Osama, and Hellary, its a push.....

Well if you want to talk illegal immigration and immigratoin law -- look at the record. Obama will be much worse than MCCain - Obama wants to legalize all the illegals ( and rest assured he will make the path very easy and quick for them), he will allow in more muslim immigrants with less scrutiny ( he has already complained that we don't let in enough immigrants from Muslim countries) and he will reduced a lot of the security checks for admission to the US -- if you can't see him as more dangerious than McCain could every be I feel sorry for you as you obviously don't know very much about either man and their position.

I suggest you do a lot of fact checking on DIFFERENT WEB SITES -- not just the ones that agree with yout.

Originally Posted by roundabout

TexasBorn wrote,

"Many believed that when he dropped out it was because he was threatened by the powers that be at the time. Who knows?"

There was also a lesser amount of talk that believed that Perot ran as a spoiler against Bush Sr. as there was supposed to be animosities amongst the two oil families.

Perot in my opinion done much damage to a third party alternitive due to his indecisive ways. He was in, and then he was out, then he was in again, and then out.

I don't think it is possible for a third party to make any headway electorally in the US now. The requirements to get on the ballot in all 50 states requires a lot, to say nothing of the money needed to actually run a half way decent campaign. Sure in the 19th Century when the country was smaller Third Parts could get somewhere - that just not longer works. The whole ballot system is not set up for a Third Party to get far -

If you want to understand Third Party Politics look at the countries where there are multiple parties and how their election system works. Our electon system is set up for a two party system -- I mean even Teddy Roosevelt could not succeed with the Bull Moose Party and the Third Party candidates today are NO TEDDY ROOSEVELTS!

Judy, point well made. If illegal immigration is the deal breaker, and only one of two candidates,ie; McCain or Obama has a chance to win..and Obama is FAR more a threat on Illegal Immigration...hmmm. I think I must have studied this dilemma in Rocket Science 101. Yes, I'm being a little too sarcastic here, so forgive me. We're stuck with an ugly reality. A lot of damage, perhaps irreversible, can be done in one presidential term. Our next best chance will be in four years but I'm extremely reluctant in this election to throw the baby out with the bath water!

Originally Posted by judyweller

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Illegal immigration should never be the only criteria by which a candidate is judged.

Not the only criteria. But on this site, it is a deal breaker. I am willing to compromise on all issues EXCEPT illegal immigration. There are not only conservatives here. McCain is ugly to many people here even outside illegal immigration. Its not about who is more conservative (and quite honestly, I am usure what that means these days). Its mainly about immigration here, and between McShame, Osama, and Hellary, its a push.....

Well if you want to talk illegal immigration and immigratoin law -- look at the record. Obama will be much worse than MCCain - Obama wants to legalize all the illegals ( and rest assured he will make the path very easy and quick for them), he will allow in more muslim immigrants with less scrutiny ( he has already complained that we don't let in enough immigrants from Muslim countries) and he will reduced a lot of the security checks for admission to the US -- if you can't see him as more dangerious than McCain could every be I feel sorry for you as you obviously don't know very much about either man and their position.

I suggest you do a lot of fact checking on DIFFERENT WEB SITES -- not just the ones that agree with yout.

Originally Posted by roundabout

There was also a lesser amount of talk that believed that Perot ran as a spoiler against Bush Sr. as there was supposed to be animosities amongst the two oil families.

The book "Kiss the Boys Goodbye" by former 60 Minutes producer Monika Jensen-Stevenson, shows there was a great deal of animosity between Perot, and Bush 41 and Richard Armitage. During the Reagan Administration, Perot was deeply involved in the POW-MIA issue, and Bush and Armitage, to whom Reagan had delegated much duty on the issue, were stonewalling at every turn on it.

That may have been the factor or a factor in an attempt by Perot to play spoiler, if that was his intent.

Exit polls in '92 suggested that while Perot drew more from those who usually voted Republican, than from those who usually voted Democrat, that Perot didn't draw enough votes away from Republicans to make the difference. A lot of the folks who are considered "swing voters" may have been the difference, since Bush 41 had very low approval numbers at the end of his first term. Then again, it's difficult to know for sure, since exit polls aren't scientific.

Originally Posted by judyweller

If you want to understand Third Party Politics look at the countries where there are multiple parties and how their election system works. Our electon system is set up for a two party system -- I mean even Teddy Roosevelt could not succeed with the Bull Moose Party and the Third Party candidates today are NO TEDDY ROOSEVELTS!

Only a factor for those who are of the "vote for a winner!" mindset. I do not want John McCain to be president, so I am not going to vote for him.

Period.

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Originally Posted by judyweller

If you want to understand Third Party Politics look at the countries where there are multiple parties and how their election system works. Our electon system is set up for a two party system -- I mean even Teddy Roosevelt could not succeed with the Bull Moose Party and the Third Party candidates today are NO TEDDY ROOSEVELTS!

Only a factor for those who are of the "vote for a winner!" mindset. I do not want John McCain to be president, so I am not going to vote for him.

Period.

YES!

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Originally Posted by judyweller

If you want to understand Third Party Politics look at the countries where there are multiple parties and how their election system works. Our electon system is set up for a two party system -- I mean even Teddy Roosevelt could not succeed with the Bull Moose Party and the Third Party candidates today are NO TEDDY ROOSEVELTS!

Only a factor for those who are of the "vote for a winner!" mindset. I do not want John McCain to be president, so I am not going to vote for him.

Period.

Someone is going to win -- I guess it is a question of who will do the least damage to the country and who will do the most.

The problem is you will get Obama - do you want Obama? Barr is pro Amnesty by the way.

I can't believe any sane person wants Obama to be President. I would rather live in Putin's Russia than Obama's America!

Originally Posted by judyweller

Well if you want to talk illegal immigration and immigratoin law -- look at the record. Obama will be much worse than MCCain - Obama wants to legalize all the illegals ( and rest assured he will make the path very easy and quick for them), he will allow in more muslim immigrants with less scrutiny ( he has already complained that we don't let in enough immigrants from Muslim countries) and he will reduced a lot of the security checks for admission to the US -- if you can't see him as more dangerious than McCain could every be I feel sorry for you as you obviously don't know very much about either man and their position.

I suggest you do a lot of fact checking on DIFFERENT WEB SITES -- not just the ones that agree with yout.

Yes rookie, you can feel sorry for me, because I am not going to vote for your guy. I will not vote for him because he will do exactly what Obama will do -- legalize all of the illegals. That is what his amnesty proposal would have done. That is what the man wants to do. That is what his key advisor Juan Hernandez wants -- a Mexican takeover of the United States. When asked by Sean Hannity if he will now endorse an enforcement only bill, he simply claimed that his views had not changed. He will not seal the border, he still supports amnesty. He wants to legalize all of the illegals. Les than 10% of this site will vote for this traitor. If you dislike that, find a new site.

Everyone has the right to vote for their candidate of choice. I know what your thinkin'. Did Obama attend Reverend Wrights church five times or six? To tell you the truth, in all this excitement maybe you've forgotten yourself. But being that Obama is a far left socialist and could completely destroy the U.S. you've got to ask yourself just one question...do I feel lucky? Well, do ya?

Have a great Memorial Day Weekend and remember our Veterans!!

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Originally Posted by judyweller

If you want to understand Third Party Politics look at the countries where there are multiple parties and how their election system works. Our electon system is set up for a two party system -- I mean even Teddy Roosevelt could not succeed with the Bull Moose Party and the Third Party candidates today are NO TEDDY ROOSEVELTS!

Only a factor for those who are of the "vote for a winner!" mindset. I do not want John McCain to be president, so I am not going to vote for him.

Period.

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