Thread: If Obamacare passes... so does amnesty

I have been watching this very closely... the latino lobby stated they would not support Obama care. But Obama went to their leaders today and told them, if he doesn't get this through; then he is finished. Whatever else he said led them to reverse their decision and support him. I am sure he promised that he is the best source for getting amnesty through, but if his Obamacare fails; he cannot get amnesty through.

Typical Chicago style politics for President Soetoro alias President Obama. But believe you me, if he gets his no insurance company left behind bill passed... he will then be strong enough to get his no illegal immigrant or terrorist left behind bill passed as well.

So lots resting in this fraud, once known as the POTUS.

Members of Congress are encouraging Americans to come to DC at noon on Saturday to show that they don't support the health care bill. Americans have been asked to protest in the streets (as we did before) and stay until they are heard. The vote on health care was supposed to be scheduled for Sunday. Has anyone realized that the pro-illegal aliens "March for America" is on Sunday in DC on the mall? It's going to be sheer bedlam if these two groups meet up because the illegals want their free health care. The illegals have been singled out as one of the groups that don't have to contribute their taxes to pay for health care.

Ought to be interesting. Neither group is talking about the other one's presence in DC this weekend. Funny thing is that if the Tea Party groups flood the streets on Saturday and don't leave, the illegal alien zealots will be forced to the back or perimeter of our group. Ha ha!

I think an amnesty bill would be a close shave in the Senate. We might even have to rely on filibustering tactics. The conventional view is that amnesty legislation has less of a chance to be approved in the House. I hope they are right.

At any rate, as far as my own state's senators I know that they are hopeless OBL fanatics. So I concentrate my efforts on trying to influence the likely swing votes in the Senate. Those are the Midwest Democrats and a handful of Repuglicans: McCain, Graham, Snowe, Collins, and Cornyn. All of their voting records are on Numbers USA, if they have an F grade (like my senators) they are really hopeless; but if they are in the C range or better I think it is worth the effort.

This is what I know about the situation.

A. The Hispanics are mad, because Obama promised amnesty in his first 100 days, and amnesty has taken a back burner. Amnesty was being further downgraded in priority because 2010 is an ellection year.

B. Obama and Pelosi don't have enough votes in the House yet, to pass the health care bill, so they are twisting arms and bribeing congressmen. The Hispanic caucus threatend to vote no and sink the healthcare bill unless assurances that amnesty would be forthcoming. Obama and pelosi are desperate so they will pay what ever it takes.

C. Obama and Pelosi have probably offered to use the "Slaughter" rule if necessary to "pass" the amnesty as part of the deal.

D. Obama wanted to wait to bring an amnesty bill, but the Hispanic Caucus is forcing this now because of the crushing defeat they will be getting in November. The amnesty bill is the Schumer "Grahamnesty" bill, since Grahamnesty is a Republican the Republicans might not have enough votes to fillibuster.

E. The situation is grimm for our cause and for the future of the USA. If the health care bill is not defeated they will move on directly to amnesty.

F. We all need to do some work tomorrow to help defeat the health care bill. The defeat of the health care bill will help defeat the coming amnesty bill.

B. Obama and Pelosi don't have enough votes in the House yet, to pass the health care bill, so they are twisting arms and bribeing congressmen. The Hispanic caucus threatend to vote no and sink the healthcare bill unless assurances that amnesty would be forthcoming. Obama and pelosi are desperate so they will pay what ever it takes.

C. Obama and Pelosi have probably offered to use the "Slaughter" rule if necessary to "pass" the amnesty as part of the deal.

I posted on another topic why I do not believe the "Slaughter Rule" or "Reconcilitation" can probably be used to pass amnesty as part of the Health Care bill, nor to give illegal aliens specific health coverage under the bill. I believe that whatever the promises made were, the only one that might work is Obama pushing the Grahmnesty-Schumer travesty through. But I do not think that is likely, for the following reasons:

1. Obama has pretty much bankrupted his political capital.
2. Support from Republicans is lacking. Other than Grahm, no Republican as signed on board yet. McCain is already in danger of losing the Arizona primary, so he at best will probably be a silent partner. Apparently they are trying to recruit Cornyn. ALIPAC is putting the heat on that one.
3. Senate support from Democrats is not overwhelming. Several joined with non-RINO Republicans last time to help defeat the Dream Act, etc.
4. I do not believe House Democrats will put up with any more arm twisting. I believe Pelosi's political capital is also expended. After the narrow pass of Cap and Trade, and using the toxic methods of "deem and pass" and "Reconciliation" to pass Health Care, I would guess an amnesty bill would have a tough time getting enough support in the House.

Interesting points 4thHorseman. And related to what you say, Mr. Amnesty Lindsey Graham said the other day that if the Dems use reconciliation on the health scheme, then Obama's other domestic agenda items are imperiled.

We still have to keep the pressure on. I've been calling and faxing against CIR amnesty this morning and will do so throughout the weekend.

My take on it is that if health care passes it means amnesty is dead.

Obama is pushing the blue dog Dems to get the vote on health care. They are the conservative wing of the Dem party, meaning their constitutents are against this health care bill and against amnesty. If they support Obama on health care, risking their seats in November, you can bet they will not support him on amnesty, which is a road to certain defeat.


Pelosi has already said she will not propose a bill in the House, until one passes in the Senate. While only 1/3 of the Senate is up for re-election, it already looks like the Dems might lose 8 seats. In hotly contested races, who is going to want the "taking jobs away from Americans with amnesty" label? Many Repub senators, even if they are pro amnesty, are not going to want that label either.

Look what is happening here in CA, illegal immigration central. In the Senate race, Chuck De Vore (R), and Carly Fiorina (R) have come out anti amnesty, strongly. Tom Campbell (R) is pretending to be anti amnesty, but with weasel language to ensure that all illegal stay here.

In the governor's race, both Meg Whitman(R) and Steve Poizer(R) have made very strong anti amnesty statements, with pro enforcement against employers policies, and anti sanctuary city policies.

Even 6 months ago, I think such overt anti amnesty statements, would not have been possible in CA, even from Repub politicians.

25 million people out of work has people riled up.

Scott Brown's election has the political class in s tissy.

We just need to keep the pressure on.

Bettybb,
I agree 100,000% (inflation don't, ya, no,)
I red his a few days ago, and I am riled up. jobs, health care, stimulus packages, Cap and trade; Americans will only take so much before they respond.
At this point, I want to respond, I just lack direction.

Just Saying

Originally Posted by Bettybb

My take on it is that if health care passes it means amnesty is dead.

Obama is pushing the blue dog Dems to get the vote on health care. They are the conservative wing of the Dem party, meaning their constitutents are against this health care bill and against amnesty. If they support Obama on health care, risking their seats in November, you can bet they will not support him on amnesty, which is a road to certain defeat.


Pelosi has already said she will not propose a bill in the House, until one passes in the Senate. While only 1/3 of the Senate is up for re-election, it already looks like the Dems might lose 8 seats. In hotly contested races, who is going to want the "taking jobs away from Americans with amnesty" label? Many Repub senators, even if they are pro amnesty, are not going to want that label either.

Look what is happening here in CA, illegal immigration central. In the Senate race, Chuck De Vore (R), and Carly Fiorina (R) have come out anti amnesty, strongly. Tom Campbell (R) is pretending to be anti amnesty, but with weasel language to ensure that all illegal stay here.

In the governor's race, both Meg Whitman(R) and Steve Poizer(R) have made very strong anti amnesty statements, with pro enforcement against employers policies, and anti sanctuary city policies.

Even 6 months ago, I think such overt anti amnesty statements, would not have been possible in CA, even from Repub politicians.

25 million people out of work has people riled up.

Scott Brown's election has the political class in s tissy.

We just need to keep the pressure on.

Excellent post Betty! You have pointed out the potential silver lining in all this....

JustSaying wrote

I agree 100,000% (inflation don't, ya, no,)
I red his a few days ago, and I am riled up. jobs, health care, stimulus packages, Cap and trade; Americans will only take so much before they respond.
At this point, I want to respond, I just lack direction.

100,000% ...high five ^5!

Hey, it is really easy to send an email to your Senators and Congressman. And it feels so good to let them know where you stand. Why not give it a try?