Thread: Internment Camps

Originally Posted by NCByrd

The illegals are being taken into the military because citizens are getting skeptical about joining. They had to get people somewhere......and are duping them into joining with promise of citizenship. This has gone on since WW1.

As for the executive orders, some are questionable, some are not. Some have been in existence for 50 years.

I wonder how they would go about interning 300,000,000 people?
Do they really think mikitary personnel will completely turn against their spouses, parents, children, and other relatives?

Yes, I know citizenship has been given for military service, just don't know that it has been done in these numbers in recent history.

So do I think military personnel will completely turn against their fellow citizens - not in great numbers.

That's my concern about the foreign born - non citizen and illegal numbers in our military. It will be much easier to turn them on us - than our friends and neighbors.

CFR Member - Recruit
Foreigners To US Military
By Max Boot
3-2-5

With the Army and Marines having trouble maintaining their ranks, it's time to sign up aliens - even illegal aliens - as volunteers

Max Boot, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, is a columnist for the Los Angeles Times, where this first appeared.

It is hard to pick up a newspaper these days without reading about Army and Marine Corps recruiting and retention woes. Nonstop deployments and the danger faced by troops in Iraq are making it hard for both services to fill their ranks.

The same goes for the National Guard and Reserves. (The Navy and Air Force, which are much less in harm's way, have no such difficulty.)

Just to stay at their present sizes, the Army and Marines are shoveling money into more advertising, extra recruiters and bigger enlistment bonuses. And yet it's clear to everyone (except, that is, President George W. Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld) that the U.S. military is far too small to handle all the missions thrown its way. We need to not only maintain the current ranks but also to expand them in order to recover from a 1990s downsizing in which the Army lost 300,000 soldiers.

Some experts are already starting to wonder whether the war on terrorism might break the all-volunteer military. But, because reinstating the draft isn't a serious option (the House defeated a symbolic draft bill last year, 402 to 2), some outside-the-box thinking is needed to fill up the ranks. In this regard, I note that there is a pretty big pool of manpower that's not being tapped: everyone on the planet of military age who is not a U.S. citizen or permanent resident.

Since 9/11, Bush has expedited the naturalization process for soldiers. But, to enlist, the Pentagon requires either proof of citizenship or a green card. Out of an active-duty force of about 1.4 million, only 108,803 are foreign-born (7 percent) and 30,541 are noncitizens (2 percent).

This is an anomaly by historical standards: In the 19th century, when the foreign-born population of the United States was much higher, so was the percentage of foreigners serving in the military. During the Civil War, at least 20 percent of Union soldiers were immigrants, and many of them had just stepped off the boat before donning blue uniforms. There were even entire units, like the 15th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry (the Scandinavian Regiment) and Gen. Louis Blenker's German Division, where English was hardly spoken.

The military would do well today to open its ranks not only to legal immigrants but also to illegal ones and, as important, to untold numbers of young men and women who are not here now but would like to come. No doubt many would be willing to serve for some set period in return for one of the world's most precious commodities - U.S. citizenship. Open up recruiting stations from Budapest to Bangkok, Cape Town to Cairo, Montreal to Mexico City. Some might deride those who sign up as mercenaries, but these troops would have significantly different motives from the usual soldier of fortune.

The simplest thing to do would be to sign up foreigners for the regular U.S. military, but it would also make sense to create a unit whose enlisted ranks would be composed entirely of non-Americans, led by U.S. officers and NCOs.

Call it the Freedom Legion. As its name implies, this unit would be modeled on the French Foreign Legion, except, again, U.S. citizenship would be part of the "pay." And rather than fighting for U.S. security writ small - the way the Foreign Legion fights for the glory of France - it would have as its mission defending and advancing freedom across the world. It would be, in effect, a multinational force under U.S. command - but one that wouldn't require the permission of France, Germany or the United Nations to deploy.

The Freedom Legion would be the perfect unit to employ in places such as Darfur that are not critical security concerns but that cry out for more effective humanitarian intervention than any international organization could muster. U.S. politicians, wary (and rightly so) of casualties among U.S. citizens, might take a more lenient attitude toward the employment of a force not made up of their constituents. An added benefit is that, by recruiting foreigners, the U.S. military could address its most pressing strategic deficit in the war on terrorism - lack of knowledge about other cultures. The most efficient way to expand the government's corps of Pashto or Arabic speakers isn't to send native-born Americans to language schools; it's to recruit native speakers of those languages.

Similar considerations early in the Cold War led Congress to pass the Lodge Act in 1950. This law allowed the Army Special Forces to recruit foreigners not living in the United States with the promise of citizenship after five years of service. More than 200 Eastern Europeans qualified as commandos before the Lodge Act expired in 1959. There's no reason why we couldn't recruit a fresh batch of foreigners today. It would certainly be easier than trying to sweet-talk more troops out of recalcitrant allies or, these days, recruiting at U.S. high schools.

http://www.rense.com/general63/CFRr.htm

Yes, I had heard about the Irish who were taken of the boats and put into the Army.

I also 'talked' (internet) with a young man from Brazil. He and his family immigrated here. He said the government told him if he would serve in the military, his family would be allowed to immigrate.

My point in all this is the fact that I, personally, would not feel as comfortable with an army of foreign-born non-citizens and illegals. To me they pose a great threat to the American people.

Whatever may have happened in the past in this country.

I say let the illegals be recruited to the IRAQ MURDER MACHINE to fight the Iraqi's religious war. We need our best and brightest here at home!

Originally Posted by nntrixie

Yes, I had heard about the Irish who were taken of the boats and put into the Army.

I also 'talked' (internet) with a young man from Brazil. He and his family immigrated here. He said the government told him if he would serve in the military, his family would be allowed to immigrate.

My point in all this is the fact that I, personally, would not feel as comfortable with an army of foreign-born non-citizens and illegals. To me they pose a great threat to the American people.

Whatever may have happened in the past in this country.

They were putting the new Irish in the Army during the Mexican/American war, many of the Irish defected to the Mexican side due to a religous clash with the Americans as the Irish were catholics as were the Mexicans.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/327 ... wants_you/

Features > July 25, 2007

Illegal Immigrants: Uncle Sam Wants You
Latino teenagers, including illegal immigrants are being recruited into the military with false promises.

By Deborah Davis

This is a very long article so thought I would just post the link.

OK, yes in the past we have had legal and illegal foreigners in our military. To my knowledge in recent times, however, it has been in the numbers we now have them.

I recently read an article giving the numbers, but anyone who doesn't think they are already in there is just not thinking. They are everywhere. One was in the BP -

Also, there is the very important part that this is a new time, with new problems.

We have allowed immigrants to come in many different ways in the past, this is here and now.

We do not, do not need to be putting illegal aliens in our military and we need to be careful about the numbers of foreign born 'non-citizens' that are in our military.

At some point in time, I fear our government is going to try to use the military on the civilian population. At that time, I think our own citizens in the military would be less eager to turn on us than would foreigners -

But that's just me.

I personally feel it is ABSURD to have anyone but US Citizens in our military!!! That just doesn't make sense to me!

Originally Posted by JAK

I personally feel it is ABSURD to have anyone but US Citizens in our military!!! That just doesn't make sense to me!

Depends on their Job... if they are cooking, cleaning, mechanics.. etc.. should be ok.. because contractors can do just that and not be a citizen... but anything much more than that.. I agree.. nothing with any real trust behind it.

Originally Posted by Pistov

Originally Posted by JAK

I personally feel it is ABSURD to have anyone but US Citizens in our military!!! That just doesn't make sense to me!

Depends on their Job... if they are cooking, cleaning, mechanics.. etc.. should be ok.. because contractors can do just that and not be a citizen... but anything much more than that.. I agree.. nothing with any real trust behind it.

I don't see how their job would make any difference. They are in the military. They would have access to things they should not. They would be soldiers. They should not be there.

A cleaning person could do a lot of damage if they have access to a base, offices, barracks. A mechanic - now way should they be the ones to work on vehicles. A cook - goodness - one slip - and a whole base could be sickened.

Not no way - not no how.