Thread: Lets not make the same mistakes....

I'm not saying YOU have called me names. I'm saying that a certain poster has used terms like "racist" and "hateful" and it is those terms that have brought about my suspicions of his motives. Another person on a different thread has also questioned his statements.

I give up. I'm evidently not expressing myself adequately. I'm on your side. I'll leave it at that.

Great.....let's get to work. There's much to do before the conferees get together for the screw fest.

Originally Posted by NewAmerican

Can I just clarify something:
I am not pro-illegal immigration, nor am I pro-amnesty for ANYONE who is here illegally.

However......

It is my opinion that we need to amend the laws that we currently have, and deal with the problem that we CURRENTLY have, in a humane way. Simply kicking 12 million people out of the country would cause a humanitarian disaster I am sure our government, 100 senators and 435 congressmen would not want to be responsible for....

Thats just one simple issue. It opens up another 20 of course.

GodHelpUS, would you like me to send you a photocopy of my Certificate of Naturalization? I'm sure it can be arranged. Maybe you don't want to give me your fax # through fear of being fax spammed.

Please don't take this as an attack against you, NewAmerican. And WELCOME to the U.S. by the way! Now on with the statement...

Is it "humane" when Jose Angel Gutierrez makes a statement for the record in front of a class of college students making threats to kill people if they can't subvert our government?

Is it "humane" when MY OWN DAUGHTER came home from school petrified on Tuesday because she and a couple of friends are being ganged up on by (race not going to be mentioned here, guess!) because they believe my daughter and friends turned them in for drinking alcohol on school property when such isn't the case?

Is it "humane" that illegal aliens beat our young (and sometimes older) women and rape them?

Is it "humane" that people who are rightfully here are now living in constant fear for their lives and their property all because of illegal immigration (invasion)??

Is it "humane" for these people to come here, marching in our streets making demands which are only for legal citizens of this country to demand in the first place?

Is it "humane" that the majority of violent crimes against people and society are conducted by illegal aliens?

Is it "humane" that our elderly will have to go without during their retirement years because these illegal aliens are coming here to plunder and pillage all they have worked for all these years, including Social Security?

Is it "humane" to fly our flag upside down AND beneath another foreign flag ON OUR OWN SOIL? As a veteran, I chose to serve MY country and to defend MY country. To me, improper display of our flag and it's desecration is likened to me as a gaping wound in the pit of my stomach. It truly bothers me THAT MUCH. It is an ASSAULT on myself and what I stand for.

For all intent and purposes - these millions have quite knowingly (and in plain sight) declared a war against the United States of America and our people.

In 1986, the Reagan administration (correct me if I'm wrong here) passed a major amnesty while promising (ON the record) that it would be the LAST amnesty. And as you know, contrary to what a few in Washington D.C. may thing, the true government of this land is of, by and for the people of the continental United States of America either born or legally naturalized. We spoke even back then in 1986 and it was resolved that we will NOT accept a single further amnesty.

There can be no amnesty nor can there be any further amnesty "look alikes".

Though I agree we probably can't round up and deport over 20 Million people, we can at least make a show of effort by cracking down very hard on those who came here illegally through at least SOME deportations which are televised via the media. Further, the remainder can be "squeezed" out through attrition. In other words, take away all incentives for coming here illegally in the first place. This begins with a major crackdown on corporations and businesses who hire illegal aliens so as to pay less so they can pocket more.

No way, no how can we permit another amnesty, guest worker program or "path to citizenship". Especially when you take into consideration that the fringe elements behind this drive have made threats and attempted to intimidate our federal government through coercion. This is an act of terrorism according to the recently passed Patriot Acts - whether you like that piece of legislation or not! If we are going to have such bills as the Patriot act, it is high-time that it be applied to this illegal immigration situation now!

No amnesty. No guest worker program. No path to citizenship.

Deport. Expedite OUT of the country and shred any remaining vestige of incentive for coming here illegally, whatever it may be.

Kurt

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

NEWAMERICAN wrote:

It is my opinion that we need to amend the laws that we currently have, and deal with the problem that we CURRENTLY have, in a humane way. Simply kicking 12 million people out of the country would cause a humanitarian disaster

this is a bit disturbing to me, NEWAMERICAN.

You mention HUMANE, KICK THEM OUT ---HUMANITARIAN DISASTER

may I ask you where you got your information?
You plan on paying for NOT 12 million people but 100 +++ MILLION PEOPLE?

HUMANE? Is Mexico humane? What about AMERICANS being shoved aside in an INHUMANE manner so that ILLEGALS can take their services and educational seats? Veterans that aren't receiving the same medical care as ILLEGALS? Do the ILLEGALS deserve more than our American Veterans who fought for our nation? I think NOT.

I strongly disagree with you, NEW AMERICAN. There are serious figures that are listed/posted over and over again for you to research on ALIPAC.

The ONLY HUMANE thing to do for all the ILLEGALS is to systematically send them home to build their own countries into better, more economically viable.

Very well put 2ndamendsis, and absolutely ***dam right" Go back to your own country and fight for your rights there, not in America!

I am seriously beginning to rethink the whole idea of the government not being able to round up and deport 20 million illegals.

If they cannot deport illegals, which to me is quite simple. No visa, no citizenship, no green card = free ticket on bus, train, airplane out of here.

Again if they cannot do the simplest thing which is to deport, how am I to believe that they can possibly hope to process the same amount of people? Especially with all the hoops, fines, back taxes, proof of work history, etc. This is alot more complicated then simple deportation.

While I agree that attrition is a good route to go, punishing employers, denying social services, etc., as it will lead to many illegals leaving of their own accord I am beginning to believe that mass round ups can and should be done. Without a secure border, which I do not believe is going to happen, all of this is moot anyway.

Although, in the end this massive invasion is not really what is the main objective is it? It is in fact the destruction of this country. It is all smoke and mirrors, a means to an end... the formation of the North American alliance or whatever the hel* they want to call it.

OK, look folks, I am just trying to be realistic. There's no way in hell mass deportation will happen. Never in a million years. Get it?

"Perhaps" we should help to come up with a solution which would be acceptable for all...instead of all this pointless rhetoric which is not listened to by any lawmakers.

Concernedveteran, I agree with some of your points, but not others. Unfortunately I do not have the time to go down the list. This great country will never lower itself to 3rd world standards, which is what you are suggesting we do.

1st Order of business for us should be to shut down the border with a bloody great wall, THEN deal with these people fairly.

THEN deal with these people fairly.

In America, dealing with people fairly means treating them equally under the law. That's what the law is for, to insure fairness. According to our law, the fair thing to do is deport them. That's what it says, that's what we the people were promised and that's what we expect.

There is nothing unfair about the equal application of the law. Anything less than that breeds contempt for the law, as we've seen in abundance.

Australia has a visible problem with this and has recently had to endure violent clashes between locals and its immigrant population. There is real tension there and they fear an impact on tourism.

Originally Posted by Dixie

It's happening in a lot of countries. Australia closed it's doors to immigration.

...seems to me the only people NOT entitled to equal protection under the law in the United States are its legal citizens!

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

THEN deal with these people fairly.

In America, dealing with people fairly means treating them equally under the law. That's what the law is for, to insure fairness. According to our law, the fair thing to do is deport them. That's what it says, that's what we the people were promised and that's what we expect.

There is nothing unfair about the equal application of the law. Anything less than that breeds contempt for the law, as we've seen in abundance.

1st Order of business for us should be to shut down the border with a bloody great wall, THEN deal with these people fairly.

Fairly? These people are treated more than fairly. They are treated better than we citizens are. How about being fair to Americans? Do you think they care about how much money we are shelling out in taxes to pay for them? They are laughing all the way to their subsidized housing, all the way to their free pre natal care and all the way to the grocery store with their free food stamps.

We would't even need a fence if the government would do a few things. First and most important NO CITIZENSHIP for babies with illegal parents, I don't care if you give birth on the White House lawn , draped in an American flag singing God Bless America, if you are illegal so is your child.

No more government benefits,no free healthcare, no foodstamps, no anything except emergency medical care. If you have the sniffles and go to the ER too bad.

No job, no freebies, no automatic American citizen babies that they can use to bilk the system, add a few token raids by ICE here and there that would also speed along the process. They would start going home by themselves. Self deportation is a beautiful thing.