Thread: looking for a legal theory

To the best of my knowledge, the President himself takes an oath to defend the borders against invaders. Well? When is he gonna start?

I, too, live in an area where illegal immigrants abound. I understand that the rest of the nation doesn't see this invasion first hand like border towns in TX, NM, AZ and CA. It is up to those of us who live it daily to keep telling them what it is going to be like when their cities are invaded and their hospitals close, when they have to hire double teachers to teach kids who don't even legally belong in their schools in their own language.

If we ever get the land borders protected, then we need to start working on the ports where box loads (literally! of illegal immigrants come in aboard ships.

I'm curious what others think about airports. I think they are safer than ever. What do you think?

I'm curious what others think about airports. I think they are safer than ever. What do you think?

You have to be kidding. I am a 2 million mile flyer and it is a joke. At one airport I frequently watch the Restaurant supply trucks come into the airport, drive around and are then unloaded by the truck driver. No one checks anything in those french fry boxes and then they are delivered to a McDonalds that employees known illegal aliens, but nothing is done because it is a sanctuary city. So there you are. Screen the passengers, put them through metal detectors and Habib is handed a Glock when he orders his McNuggets.

Next case in point, you serve me everything except the source of ignition I need to make a bomb with on the flight. Oh, and I bring that along via the batteries in my BlackBerry or now via the electric outlet for powering PCs.

You need more? Two years ago I was waiting for my limo ride to the airport and out working in my orchard. I had my favorite grafting knife with me, a hand me down form my now deceased father. I thought nothing of just folding it and putting it into my pants pocket when the limo pulled up. After I was in the security line it dawned on me that I had a knife on me...so what to do...I took the knife out of my pocket with my wallet, walked up to the metal detector handed the agent my wallet and then handed him my pocket knife, I walked through the metal detector he hands me back my wallet and knife without even looking at them. Some security.

And you think you are secure? I can thing of a whole lot of ways to bring a plane down that I am not going to detail here. Cripes all you need is compression, a source of ignition, and something which expands rapidly…flour will do. It is a joke.

Patriotman

I'm curious what others think about airports. I think they are safer than ever. What do you think?

Patriotman is right as usual. Airport security is a joke under Bush. You still have the dreds of society as security including screening passengers and bags. You still have illegal aliens working in the most sensitive jobs. No background checks are done on employees still. They profile every other ethnicity except for the one that was responsible for 9-11 (no they don't profile them out of fear of a lawsuit no thanks to the rotten bums from the ACLU and the National Lawyers Guild, just like what happened at Logon airport on 9-11, they detained some hijackers, but had to let them go out of fear of a lawsuit from some rat bum lawyer who should have been arrested). Most of the passenger and baggage screeners fail inspections and other various tests done by federal agents. Feds still can't seem to pull their heads out of their behinds when checking visas (like the 14 Syrians in LA not even a year ago).

Oh no your only safe at the airports if your an Arab Muslim.

Thank you dcman and patriotman. I didn't know those things. I have treavelled internationally where armed guards with machine guns stand around the airports. I've traveled in the US where it seemed to me as though nothing was being done by way of security. The times I travelled recently seemed, as you say, more restrictive to the passengers. A ploy, I guess, to make people FEEL safer while, as you pointed Ahmed gets a glock with his french fries. Chilling thought. I guess we need security measures all over the place.

That being the case, I assume that means the airport jobs are infiltrated with illegals carrying false papers as well.

What kind of mess have we let our government make of this country? Are American citizens who go to work every day, who use the same credit card for umpty-upmp years and live in the same town pretty much all their lives the only ones traceable?

What kind of mess have we let our government make of this country? Are American citizens who go to work every day, who use the same credit card for umpty-upmp years and live in the same town pretty much all their lives the only ones traceable

You got it. You're a lot faster than Jorge!! And we're also the ones victimized by identity theft. Social Security knows it..the IRS knows it..but the victim won't know it until the thief does something wrong...like not pay for the car he charged in the victim's name.

RR

You know, I spent a good share of the last sixteen years as the dependent of a guest worker in middle eastern countries. I can assure you that someone knew where I was at all times. We registered with the police station in one place and were required to tell them if we moved to a different apartment. They knew who visited me and how long they were expected to stay. In another country, I had to renew my residence visa regularly and my spouse had to have a special work permit to carry at all times. One particular country I lived in two different times had more guest residents than natives! They knew where we were. No one got all jacked out of shape if we were stopped at checkpoints and asked for our papers. Some places you even had to have permission from the military to travel more than fifty miles or so from your residence. Some countries prohibited you from ever going there if you had a visa stamp from certain other countries in you passport.

The point I'm trying to make is if these half baked countries know where people are, why doesn't our country? They know where I am because I file income tax annually. They should know where any visitor to this country is because he/she should have a tourist visa, a student visa, a green card or something. It is my understanding that the people with those types of privileges are supposed to tell where they live. And they should be checked periodically not only to make sure they still live there but to be sure fifteen other families haven't moved in with them. Why is that a violation of their rights? They aren't Americans and they shouldn't have American rights.

I'm thinking that anyone who can't produce something to prove he/she is in this country legally should be deported yesterday.

Instead, we pussy foot around and tell our cops they can't ask such questions. Why not? Does anyone know a legitimate reason?

You're telling it just like I found it in the 13 years that I traveled and worked abroad. You bet they know where you are at all times, and they also keep tabs on whichever company has sponsored you into that country. The company said that I couldn't travel from Kuwait to Saudi with a friend to visit her husband in the Brown and Root camp at Kafji...so I 'borrowed' a passport and went anyway. I think those 3 days were the only days that I was out of America that someone didn't know exactly where I was. Entrance visas, exit visas, etc etc.

It's all political. They're allowing millions of immigrations (legally) from third world countries for the most part, and illegals by the millions --ditto. The Rublicans have an agenda for 'repaying' big business for the offices they think big business is responsible for putting them into...via cheap labor. There's another agenda or two afoot as well. They're wanting to go socialist in this country and they believe that those undereducated under-earning individuals will be eager to vote for those who are offering the best handouts. That most of these 'voters' are illegal and unable to vote matters not...they vote anyway. Our laws mean nothing if they happen to be in the path of a political agenda. Haven't you noticed?

Every time Bush says 'guest worker program' or Craig says 'AgJobs' another five million, mostly Mexicans, pack up and head north. If you think we're outvoted now..wait awhile. If you think our voices are ignored now..wait awhile.

This day..today...everyone should call Sen. Crags office and tell him what they think about AgJobs. The agricultural community will not be in the least injured if those 3 million illegals are not 'legalized' to work and remain in this country. Most of those jobs can be and should be mechanized. This is the twentyfirst century...not the eighteenth. If those illegals were gone tomorrow you'd find tractors in those fields the very next day. Those farms are not going out of business. Besides, who wants a bunch of diseased people working with our FOOD??? And while you're at it...tell Sen. Craig that you're going to contribute heavily to whomever will be his opponent in the next election.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, those three million that they're going to legalize will have only seasonal work. So where do you think they'll be getting their subsistence for the REST of the year? From the taxpayers, not from the farms. AND we'll have millions more kids (non English speaking, of course) filling our classrooms and slowing down the learning process for American kids.

I could go on...but I think I've said enough...everyone gets the picture except Senator Craig. If enough of us call his office..he should be seeing it pretty quick.

RR

Yeah, I avoid airlines because of all the BS we have to go through.

Unless an airline could be easily hijacked again, they maybe wont do it.

They don't need to.

If they just keep probing the security every once in a while, and allow documents detailing hijack plans to be uncovered occasionally, America is doomed to spending endless billions in dollars, and countless billions in lost time to security hassles. Not to mention the degradation forced on millions of Americans every day.

Passengers are like cattle, no...more like sardines. Sardines that get probed.


-n

Personally I detest flying in kerosene burners anyway. I like flying something with a better glide ratio than a brick.

Anyway, I think the fortune spent on airline security is largely money being flushed down the drain. Terrorists are probably laughing their butts off about how much money we are spending on airline security, all the funnier since they probably figure not to use that method ever again anyway. We are vulnerable in so many different ways it is not even funny. How many miles of rail do we have, which can be sabotaged dumping toxic or explosive chemicals? Water supplies? Power plants and substations? Tunnels and bridges? The list goes on and on and on.

Anyway, if terrorists simply wish to blow up a plane, they can likely accomplish that as easily with a SAM these days as trying to get a bomb on board. If they simply make it impossible to access the cockpit, solid steel doors that cannot be opened while it is in the air from EITHER side, they will not even bother attempting to use one for a weapon again.

We are spending a fortune at our airports, and leaving the borders wide open.. talk about stupidity.

We are spending a fortune at our airports, and leaving the borders wide open.. talk about stupidity.

True-er words were never spoken.