Thread: Lou Dobbs sounds off on REAL ID today

Originally Posted by Pistov

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

There is nothing wrong with someone having a different opinion. There is, however, something suspicious when people try to cram something down your throat without credible sources to back it up. We have here 5 pages of nothing but rhetoric of some trying to convince others to give up their constitutional rights.

So, because we disagree, we are trying to cram our opinions down someone's throat. However, for those who support the REAL ID---somehow this is not cramming their opinions down the throats of others???

And, 5 pages of government conspiracy rhetoric-----with nothing to back it up.

We all agree-------there is chip, retina scanning, etc. technology available to our government, there has been for a long time.

However, there is NO proof that any of this is part of the REAL ID.

I am not saying this is taking place... but, how would you go about implementing all the draconian things mentioned here?

Step by step.. a bit at a time.. and by the time the people realize what is going on.. it is too late. Much like the IA problems we have today. Amnesty here, Guest worker there, H1B visa over there..

Just food for thought..

You are right.........Anything/everything can be attempted to push beyond the original intent/plans--------but that doesn't mean that it will happen, or that we will let it happen.

However, as it stands now-------no chips, retina scanning, etc. is part of the plan.

JP wrote:

I find it Ironic those who are using this board are using the anonymity of the Internet to post their views but will not revel their REAL IDENTITY. Talk about hypocrisy.

There is no hypocrisy here, JP. Publishing your name and address on the internet where everyone with a cheap computer has access is totally different than providing the information to a database that is managed by the DMV.

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Originally Posted by Pistov

If all the documents used to get the Real ID are not secure.. how can the ID itself be secure?

Nothing is 100% secure, but REAL ID will be much more secure than past ID's. And people who present false documents in their effort to get a REAL ID can be prosecuted. Bottom line is many illegals will not even bother to try.

PLUS, if you read the information through the two links that I provided-----any documents provided to get the REAL ID are going to be verified----not just accepted and automatically approved!!!

And, pray tell, how do we go about verifying these documents given out by the illegals. Do you actually think they are going to line up and say, here I am, I'm illegal, but I've got documents from my country? Give me a break! The Mexican government is not going to work with us on this. This is exactly my point. It won't do a thing to stop the illegals from coming here, and it certainly won't make them leave. All the REAL ID Act will do is tamper with our constitution, and I ain't buying it.

Because they are going to verify that it is a REAL birth certificate, SS number, etc.----not just assume that the information provided by the applicant is correct and valid.

And, some of us are not buying all of the conspiracy theories.

Oh? And just how are they going to verify that it's a real birth certificate if they are born out of country? Many of these people come from areas that don't even document births. Like I said, this will do nothing to stop illegal immigration. If this government wanted to do that, it would've already been done. As far as the terrorists go, we all know they sneak in across the border with the other illegals. Once we're all documented, they'll find another way to get in if they want to bad enough.

IIRC, ALIPAC rules forbid disclosure of personal information such as name, address, phone numbers, etc..

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

There is NOTHING from a credible, reliable, qualified source/article indicating that they are going to use a chip.

Also, it is going through-------there is NO debating it. States have until I believe June to comply or request an extension in order to begin to meet requirements to comply.

If they do neither.........The citizens from their states will NOT be able to use their drivers' licenses to board planes, enter government buildings, cross the border, etc.

Gee, Dolly, you almost sound gleeful with the prospect of this government lining us all up like sheep. Makes me wonder who you work for.

Sorry, there is no proof that the government is going to line us up like sheep and use the REAL ID for anything except to prevent illegals and potential terrorists from being able to use copied/reproduced fraudulent documents----by providing an ID that cannot be fraudulently copied/reproduced.

I do not work for anyone. So, if someone has a different opinion than the majority of those here---then there must be an ulterior motive??? Does Lou Dobbs now work for someone as well and have an ulterior motive????

So, a lot of people have a problem with the REAL ID.........Yet, nothing is being said about Ron Paul and the fact that he did not sign the SAVE ACT-----and wants open borders, no fence, and nothing in place to hold employers accountable for hiring illegals??

Ron Paul baiting foul! Everyone take a very close look at Dolly's post here. This is the kind of thing that has heavily distracted our fight against illegal immigration for months. We have begged, pleaded, and then we started banning to get people to stop draggin Ron Paul into every darn discussion we have.

Way to go Dolly. I'm sick of hearing about Ron Paul when people use his name to get in the way of discussion. We are not talking about Ron Paul or the SAVE Act in this thread thank you. That was a low blow hail mary play.

My opposition to Real ID does not have a damn thing to do with Ron Paul or Libertarianism and anyone that would even insinuate that is full of bull crap.

W

William:

I did not say everyone, I said some!!

[quote=jp_48504]

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

Originally Posted by "jp_48504":1o55vmtl

Still waiting for your answer Dolly.... Why wont you respond? In case you forgot. Here they are again:

Lets ask Dolly to provide her REAL NAME. Mine is not hidden. Why don't you provide your home REAL EMAIL ADDRESS Dolly? Why are you posting on this forum without using your REAL NAME? Do you have something to hide? Why use anonymity on the forum?

How about you Jonathan? Are you afraid of reveling your REAL IDENTITY?


I find it Ironic those who are using this board are using the anonymity of the Internet to post their views but will not revel their REAL IDENTITY. Talk about hypocrisy.

I saw your message..........But my question to you is........Why should I provide anything about me to you???

Why shouldnt you unless you are hiding something. Are you hiding something?[/quote:1o55vmtl]

Why should I provide my real name, address, etc??? Why are you assuming that I am hiding something----just because I don't agree with you??

[quote=tinybobidaho]

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Originally Posted by "Pistov":17shcmhc

If all the documents used to get the Real ID are not secure.. how can the ID itself be secure?

Nothing is 100% secure, but REAL ID will be much more secure than past ID's. And people who present false documents in their effort to get a REAL ID can be prosecuted. Bottom line is many illegals will not even bother to try.

PLUS, if you read the information through the two links that I provided-----any documents provided to get the REAL ID are going to be verified----not just accepted and automatically approved!!!

And, pray tell, how do we go about verifying these documents given out by the illegals. Do you actually think they are going to line up and say, here I am, I'm illegal, but I've got documents from my country? Give me a break! The Mexican government is not going to work with us on this. This is exactly my point. It won't do a thing to stop the illegals from coming here, and it certainly won't make them leave. All the REAL ID Act will do is tamper with our constitution, and I ain't buying it.

Because they are going to verify that it is a REAL birth certificate, SS number, etc.----not just assume that the information provided by the applicant is correct and valid.

And, some of us are not buying all of the conspiracy theories.

Oh? And just how are they going to verify that it's a real birth certificate if they are born out of country? Many of these people come from areas that don't even document births. Like I said, this will do nothing to stop illegal immigration. If this government wanted to do that, it would've already been done. As far as the terrorists go, we all know they sneak in across the border with the other illegals. Once we're all documented, they'll find another way to get in if they want to bad enough.[/quote:17shcmhc]

Those who will be trained to view/evaluate these documents will be able to pick the real thing from the frauds.

[quote=Dolly3275]

Originally Posted by jp_48504

Originally Posted by Dolly3275

Originally Posted by "jp_48504":hqx1o94e

Still waiting for your answer Dolly.... Why wont you respond? In case you forgot. Here they are again:

Lets ask Dolly to provide her REAL NAME. Mine is not hidden. Why don't you provide your home REAL EMAIL ADDRESS Dolly? Why are you posting on this forum without using your REAL NAME? Do you have something to hide? Why use anonymity on the forum?

How about you Jonathan? Are you afraid of reveling your REAL IDENTITY?


I find it Ironic those who are using this board are using the anonymity of the Internet to post their views but will not revel their REAL IDENTITY. Talk about hypocrisy.

I saw your message..........But my question to you is........Why should I provide anything about me to you???

Why shouldnt you unless you are hiding something. Are you hiding something?

Why should I provide my real name, address, etc??? Why are you assuming that I am hiding something----just because I don't agree with you??[/quote:hqx1o94e]

Hey you are the promoting information sharing, so please do share. I dont want your address, just your real name and real email address. Why hide it if you are not hiding something. What are you afraid of? You talk the talk now walk the walk. You too Jonathan.

Dolly wrote:

Why should I provide my real name, address, etc??? Why are you assuming that I am hiding something----just because I don't agree with you??

Please let it go, Dolly. PhredE turned that question into a mute issue.

PhredE wrote:

IIRC, ALIPAC rules forbid disclosure of personal information such as name, address, phone numbers, etc..

Originally Posted by MW

JP wrote:

There are a lot of brainwashed people (sheeple) out there bob. However. Let's ask Dolly to provide her REAL NAME. Mine is not hidden. Why don't you provide your home REAL EMAIL ADDRESS Dolly? Why are you posting on this forum without using your REAL NAME? Do you have something to hide? Why use anonymity on the forum?

That was completely uncalled for, JP. Shouldn't Dolly, I, and others have the right to our opinions without the expectation of personal attack?

IMHO, much of the argument against the REAL ID Act on this thread amounts to little more than hyperbole and "what if's." Wouldn't it be nice if we could deal strictly in facts?

Congressman Billbray confirmed with me face to face that the plan was to extend biometric ID requirments to access the Internet after Real ID was implemented.

So MW, if you favor Real ID then you and Dolly and Jonathan should each give your real names and city right here in the open.

Once biometric ID is required for web access, we will know all of that already.

My name is William Gheen and I live in Raleigh, NC. I think Real ID and biometrics required by law for law abiding Americans is disgusting.

Come on folks, step right up and put your real name, picture, and location behind what you say.

Pretty soon you will have no choice in the matter from what I have read and what I have been told by the director of the Immigration Reform Caucus.


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