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    Methodist Church INSISTS on amnesty

    Opposition to the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Resolution Act

    WHEREAS, the Holy Scriptures call us as the community of God to give shelter, protection and help to sojourners living amongst us, reminding us that we, too, were foreigners in other times; and

    WHEREAS, the Council of Bishops of The United Methodist Church through its document To Love the Sojourner has given the various boards, commissions, and agencies of The United Methodist Church direction as we relate to undocumented persons that live in our communities; and

    WHEREAS, undocumented persons possess certain inalienable rights named and lifted in the International Declaration on Human Rights, the United Nations charter, as well as the documents concerning immigration of the Geneva Convention, and the Constitution of the United States Bill of Rights; and

    WHEREAS, one of the most critical issues facing the Hispanic community today is the need for amnesty for the undocumented immigrants living within the United States; and

    WHEREAS, being an undocumented person is NOT a crime;

    Therefore, be it resolved, that we, The United Methodist Church, declare that the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Resolution Act is evil and unjust, and that the enforcement thereof results in immediate and insufferable human rights violations, discrimination, and oppression.

    We call the United States government to accountability and insist upon:

    1) changes in, and possible abolition of, the 1996 immigration law;

    2) the continued existence of a unified Immigration and Naturalization Service, rather than a division into administrative and enforcement prosecutorial branches, and

    3) the development of an amnesty program for undocumented persons to be implemented immediately.

    Be it further resolved, that the General Conference move to create a task force to be responsible for agencies working on behalf of The United Methodist Church that is composed of staff from the following church boards and agencies: General Board of Global Ministries, General Commission on Religion and Race, General Board of Church and Society, with a minimum of two bishops, legal advisers, and Methodists Associated to Represent the Cause of Hispanic Americans (MARCHA) representation.

    ADOPTED 2000

    See Social Principles, ¶ 162.

    From The Book of Resolutions of The United Methodist Church — 2004. Copyright © 2004 by The United Methodist Publishing House. Used by permission.

    http://archives.umc.org/interior_print. ... 4&mid=1062

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    "WHEREAS, undocumented persons possess certain inalienable rights named and lifted in the International Declaration on Human Rights, the United Nations charter, as well as the documents concerning immigration of the Geneva Convention, and the Constitution of the United States Bill of Rights; and"

    Notice that these "certain inalienable rights" are carefully unspecified! It is scary that people in positions of influence believe and teach this.
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    Re: Methodist Church INSISTS on amnesty

    Methodist Church INSISTS on amnesty?

    That's political!

    Yank the Tax-Free Status NOW!!!!!
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    August 15, 2006

    ‘Open Heart’ Methodists—Empty-Headed Immigration Activists

    By W. James Antle III

    "Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Doors." Oh yeah? The crack marketing team that came up with this slogan for the United Methodist Church should revise it to include "Open Borders" and "Empty Heads".

    Catholic Bishops aren’t alone in maintaining that lax immigration enforcement is a moral imperative. It’s a Protestant problem, too. Coming from a long line of Methodists, I am appalled to report that, for example, speaking on behalf of the nation’s largest mainline Protestant denomination, Methodist bishops and church agency leaders have joined the elite chorus denouncing the Sensenbrenner bill (HR 4437).

    That’s right, Methodists are singing from the same hymnal as the WSJ and the Chamber of Commerce—without regard for the opinions of those people who fill the pews and the collection plates, of course (see below).

    On July 12, the Methodist Church’s General Board of Church and Society (GBCS) held the "Faith and Migration: Diverse Perspectives from Religious Leaders" conference on Capitol Hill. Conspicuously missing from these "diverse perspectives" was the mainstream view that illegal immigration should be curtailed by additional enforcement. Instead, the scheduled speakers included Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.), Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and a representative of the Bush White House—all notorious proponents of amnesty.

    This one-sidedness isn’t surprising. Methodists have been putting together a strong pro-immigration resume for some time now:

    The Methodists Board of Church and Society had already issued a statement, celebrating "the movement for civil rights for the people who are undocumented," endorsing "comprehensive immigration reform" (amnesty) and describing HR 4437 as unjust "anti-immigrant legislation."


    On the very day that Arlen Specter’s Judiciary Committee first sent an amnesty bill to the full Senate, the United Methodist Committee on Relief (UMCOR) was participating in prayer vigils "to show support for true and comprehensive immigration reform" and opposition to the House border-security bill.


    During a March 7 press conference on Capitol Hill, Methodist clergy wore handcuffs to signify their mistaken belief that the House bill would "shackle" their efforts to help needy immigrants. They later took part in a Capitol Hill anti-H.R. 4437 rally sponsored by the National Capital Immigration Coalition.
    According to a report by the United Methodist News Service (UMNS), Bishop John R. Schol [send him mail] of the Baltimore-Washington Conference stated that the House’s pro-enforcement approach violated church teachings as found in the Social Principles and Book of Resolutions.

    "If passed, H.R. 4437 could dramatically affect the way United Methodists do ministry," Bishop Schol claimed. "H.R. 4437 would punish United Methodists and others ... who offer an act of mercy or kindness to undocumented immigrants."

    Of course, this familiar talking point has been repeatedly debunked on VDARE.COM and elsewhere.

    The section they are misrepresenting is actually intended to target smugglers—not soup-kitchen workers who hand out bread without first checking the recipient’s green card. And many supporters of the House bill have been willing to revise its language to further clarify this point.

    Nevertheless, a January letter from Bishop Edward Paup, president of UMCOR, and Bishop Joel Martinez, president of the United Methodist Board of Global Ministries, to their colleagues on the Council of Bishops claimed that the anti-smuggling, anti-abetting provisions "could jeopardize UMCOR’s Justice for Our Neighbors Program." Justice for Our Neighbors is a Methodist-coordinated program offering free legal services to immigrants.

    Bishops Paup and Martinez, along with the chief executives of the ministries they lead, also came out against H.R. 4437 and endorsed what VDARE.COM calls the Kennedy-Bush Amnesty/Immigration Acceleration Bill.

    They were joined by many of their colleagues:

    Bishop Roy Sano, executive secretary of the Council of Bishops, was quoted, echoing Catholic Bishop Roger Mahony’s call for civil disobedience if legislation like HR 4437 is adopted.


    Bishop William Willimon of the North Alabama Annual Conference also endorsed the euphemistic "comprehensive immigration reform" and warned against the House’s "mean spirited" alternative.


    Rev. Bob Edgar, the United Methodist minister and former Democratic congressman who serves as general secretary of the National Council of Churches, has charged that restrictive, pro-enforcement bills are the handiwork of "neo-conservatives who want to punish people."
    If only! Reverend Edgar is painfully ignorant of the immigration stances of most actual neoconservatives.

    The UMC’s immigration position is nothing new. In 1988, the denomination published a paper entitled "To Love the Sojourner" criticizing the United States’ harsh treatment of immigrants—as evidenced by the 1986 amnesty!

    Apparently, even amnesty isn’t good enough when accompanied by the threat of sanctions against employers of illegal immigrants. The church’s paper warned, "It is apparent that the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, for all the hope it represents for a relative few, renders life much more difficult for the vast majority of immigrant peoples in the United States."

    Since then, Methodist bishops have spoken out against California’s Proposition 187 and subsequent ballot initiatives to deny illegal immigrants tax monies.

    But after Prop 187 passed with 69 percent of the Protestant vote in 1994, there was a brief moment when critical Methodist clergy seemed open to debate on the subject.

    At the time, the head of the UMC’s California-Pacific Conference—Bishop Sano—admitted to the Los Angeles Times, "We are not listening to our own constituency." [ Prop. 187 May Show Clergy's Political Role Is Dwindling, by John Dart. Los Angeles Times Nov 20, 1994, (Pay archive)]

    Twelve years later, we’re still waiting.

    In the meantime, Methodists have condemned the federal Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 at every single General Conference since the law was enacted, calling for its reform or repeal. (Longtime observers of the immigration debate may recall that this was the diluted bill that passed after real reform, along the lines proposed by Barbara Jordan’s forgotten commission, was defeated in Congress.)

    The UMC has even adopted resolutions comparing the Immigration Act of 1965—the very law that committed the United States to its current disastrous policy of uninterrupted mass immigration—to the much-denounced Immigration Act of 1924 and the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

    So what would constitute the "effective and humanitarian border protection" that the Methodist church claims to support? Are any limits to immigration or enforcement measures acceptable to the Methodist hierarchy?And why does the Methodist bishops’ "compassionate" solution to our immigration crisis look uncharacteristically like that favored by corporate America?

    There are cynical explanations for the unlikely immigration alliance between Big Business and Big Religion. But, as someone who comes from a long line of Methodists, they just don’t seem adequate in this case.

    NumbersUSA Executive Director Roy Beck—a longtime Methodist Sunday school teacher and award-winning former associate editor of the United Methodist Reporter—blames "bad theology" that interprets Bible verses about strangers and sojourners "literally and completely out of context" when talking about immigration.

    One proof text is found in Matthew when Jesus offers the Parable of the Last Judgment. The key verses:

    "For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me" (Matthew 25:42-43). [Vdare.com note: Bible scholars might want to check out Deuteronomy28:43-44; "The stranger that [is] within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low"]

    But if every "stranger" at the U.S. border is a potential Jesus, most any immigration restriction would be difficult to justify.

    This is of course a surprisingly literal interpretation by theological liberals who normally sneer at fundamentalism. It is also an impossible basis for a workable immigration policy when almost five billion people live in countries where the average per capita gross domestic product is lower than Mexico’s.

    Beck quips that adherents to this post-national "sing ‘Imagine’ instead of "The Old Rugged Cross."'

    Yet as John Zmirak has written in these cyberpages, "Christianity is universal—but it accepts and works through the particular: the baby in the crib, the family, the nation."

    Many Methodist immigration enthusiasts understand this—but make the opposite mistake. They have ample experience ministering to many personally sympathetic migrants—legal or otherwise—but little real knowledge of immigration policy in general.

    Unfortunately, noble intentions aren’t sufficient for good policy.

    The Christian faith knows no national boundaries. But the nation-state by definition must. The United Methodist Church has certainly been enriched by its overseas membership—including the African Methodists, who, like many Global South Christians, are orthodox in faith and morals. But its bishops favor an immigration course that will impoverish our country.

    Tragically, through the pursuit of racial and ethnic harmony, improved living standards for the poor and a less balkanized society, misguided Methodists are helping promulgate immigration policies that will accomplish the exact opposite.

    The only thing worse: John Wesley’s progeny reduced to the cheap-labor lobby at prayer.

    W. James Antle III (send him mail) is a senior writer for The American Conservative.

    http://www.vdare.com/antle/060815_immigration.htm

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    Wooooo.....they INSIST? Then they can pay for it.
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    The Methodist Church Offers False Biblical Information.

    The bible teaches us to love the sinner not the sin. Supporting illegals dismisses biblical doctrine, the bible is very clear that lying, cheating, stealing and breaking the laws of a country is wrong and against the Word. Supporting illegals is therefore, sinful.

    In the End Times, it has been stated that there would be many false prophets and the Methodist church falls into that catagory.

    Matthew 24:24
    For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. (NIV)
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    The bible teaches us to love the sinner not the sin. Supporting illegals dismisses biblical doctrine, the bible is very clear that lying, cheating, stealing and breaking the laws of a country is wrong and against the Word. Supporting illegals is therefore, sinful.
    Exactly. I remember certain scriptures where they ask, what is the slave you can believe in....the one where you give them an order and then refuse, but later come back and do it....or the one who agrees to do it, but then doesn't. I have said time and time again.....if these people ASKED and not DEMANDED.......ADMITTED they broke the law and ASKED FOR MERCY.....trust me.....my attitude would be much more receptive. Unless of course, they advertised that and then suddenly they all said the WORDS and ment none of it, and then that avenue would be closed because they are LYING.
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    Time for the churches to start paying taxes or shutup .

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    United Methodist Lauds Obama for Immigration Reform Priori

    This is political lobbying pure and simple.

    United Methodist Lauds Obama for Immigration Reform Priority

    By Ethan Cole
    Christian Post Reporter
    Mon, Apr. 20 2009 05:50 PM EDT

    Bishops of the United Methodist Church applauded President Barack Obama on Friday for his intention to start the immigration reform process this year.

    “We join other religious leaders in thanking President Obama for placing immigration reform on his political agenda for 2009,â€

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    Re: Methodist Church INSISTS on amnesty

    Quote Originally Posted by ShockedinCalifornia

    WHEREAS, the Holy Scriptures call us as the community of God to give shelter, protection and help to sojourners living amongst us,
    Umm, sojourner means traveler, these people are not travelers they are foreign invaders! I recall reading plenty of passages in the Bible where God helped the Israelites expel their enemies and invaders. This Church is definitely out of touch with reality.
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