Thread: Mike pence immigration plan

Originally Posted by MovingForward

Ok, i understand what you are saying , but remember, this is no longer about passing "enforcement-only"...Its about picking the less of 2 evil.

The mike pence bill demanded people to leave first, then they could apply to come back...Under the haguel/martinez plan, they wont have to even leave.

If you think this is still a fight between "enforcement-only" and amnesty, then you are wrong...Now, its a fight between amnesty and "grand-amnesty"....

If you listen closely to the dems, they are planning to scrap the haguel/martinez bill off the table, and pass the kennedy/mcCain bill which is much more generous...This is the new fight....the fight for an enforcement-only bill has been lost.

MovingForward
do you have any links to articles about this. We like to back up what we are saying when possible, helps us to prove our point.

what im trying to say is, you will need the majority of the african american community to speak out against illegal immigration and i doubt this would ever happen.

Im sorry, but in north jersey(newark,jersey-city), i dont see anything being said about illegal immigration and everyone in the black community is pretty much okay with it..

Also, not only would the majority of the african american community would be much needed for this movement to protect itself from the racism label, but you would have to flip them against democrats, which would probably never happen because of the deep civil right history with the party.

Around here, there's still a strong hatred toward republicans because they blame the GOP for racism and other stuff that was committed in the past and if you're a black republicans, you would get ridiculed and be labeled an "uncle tom"...The african american republican that ran in maryland didnt even get the majority of the vote there and his democratic opponent was white...I think steele got about 25% of the black vote, which is pretty high for a republican.

The african american communities knows the democrats support amnesty but did that stop them from voting democratic in a less larger margin?? Nope..they still vote democratic on a 90% clip and i dont see anything that would stop this...Some of them would rather stay home then vote for a good republican candidate.


Im also aware of the "you dont speak for me" hispanic group, but again, hispanic voted on a 70% clip for democrats in this shows clearly that 'you dont speak for me" is in the minority.

The black community is not "OK With It". Some of their sellout leaders are trying to cash in on it, but the polls show rising numbers that are already in the 60% opposition range to illegal immigration.

ALIPAC has some plans in the works to recruit more black supporters as they are currently underrepresented in the movement.

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Newark, having an extraordinay amount of violent crime being perpetrated every single day, has the residents focused in one direction and one direction only. Stopping the murders and mayhem that is mostly black on black crime. The education level is desperately lacking while the fear and frustration with the violence is extremely high.

Newark is preoccupied with it's own sad bleeding every minute of every day.

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Maybe ALIPAC could try to recruit Micheal Steele or preferably, Harold ford junior.

Micheal Steele didnt really run hard against illegal immigration because he was too busy trying to fool marylanders into thinking he was a liberal democrat and his stance on illegal immigration is kind of soft.

Harold Ford is one of very few democrats that ran Tancredo-style against illegal immigration but lost to a pro amnesty republican that hired illegal immigrants...That one got me scratching my head. LOL.

Anyway, maybe the movement can get harold ford to march with the minute-men and "you dont speak for me" folks.LOL

Originally Posted by MovingForward

what im trying to say is, you will need the majority of the african american community to speak out against illegal immigration and i doubt this would ever happen.

Im sorry, but in north jersey(newark,jersey-city), i dont see anything being said about illegal immigration and everyone in the black community is pretty much okay with it..

Also, not only would the majority of the african american community would be much needed for this movement to protect itself from the racism label, but you would have to flip them against democrats, which would probably never happen because of the deep civil right history with the party.

Around here, there's still a strong hatred toward republicans because they blame the GOP for racism and other stuff that was committed in the past and if you're a black republicans, you would get ridiculed and be labeled an "uncle tom"...The african american republican that ran in maryland didnt even get the majority of the vote there and his democratic opponent was white...I think steele got about 25% of the black vote, which is pretty high for a republican.

The african american communities knows the democrats support amnesty but did that stop them from voting democratic in a less larger margin?? Nope..they still vote democratic on a 90% clip and i dont see anything that would stop this...Some of them would rather stay home then vote for a good republican candidate.


Im also aware of the "you dont speak for me" hispanic group, but again, hispanic voted on a 70% clip for democrats in this shows clearly that 'you dont speak for me" is in the minority.

Funny, it was the Republicans who abolished slavery over the complaints of the Democrats. It was a Democrat governor (George Wallace) who stood in the doorway of a school to keep the black students out. It was a Democrat President (JFK) who had the FBI dogging Martin Luther King. It was a Democrat who was the first Klansman to sit as a justice of the Supreme Court (Hugo Black). It was a Democrat Senator with a KKK past (Robert Byrd) who became the first member of Congress in generations to openly use the n-word. The House vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was typical of the breakdown on similar legislation in the post-FDR era: Republicans supported it 138 to 34 (80.2%); Democrats supported it 152-96 (61.3%). In the Senate, it was opposed by 6 Republicans and 21 Democrats.

I would say that the real image problem that the Republicans have as relates to civil rights arises from the susceptibility of minorities to Democrat rhetoric rather than from historical fact.

Im not a big civil rights historian but the majority of african americans would disagree with you...

I remember the steele camp came out with a radio ad that suggested that the democrats were indeed the ones who oppressed african americans, and there was a huge uproar against that ad in the african american communities and steele had to demand the group that created the ad to take them down....The ad didnt accomplish anything and probably cemented the community's hatred toward the republican party.

A lot of african americans took it as the GOP trying to fool them so that they could vote for them.

Originally Posted by MovingForward

Im not a big civil rights historian but the majority of african americans would disagree with you...

I remember the steele camp came out with a radio ad that suggested that the democrats were indeed the ones who oppressed african americans, and there was a huge uproar against that ad in the african american communities and steele had to demand the group that created the ad to take them down....The ad didnt accomplish anything and probably cemented the community's hatred toward the republican party.

A lot of african americans took it as the GOP trying to fool them so that they could vote for them.

Well, then, it looks like you are agreeing with my previous statement:

I would say that the real image problem that the Republicans have as relates to civil rights arises from the susceptibility of minorities to Democrat rhetoric rather than from historical fact.

CROCKET

don't you just enjoy the way some people work diligently at ignoring and covering up FACTS? The way some people make great effort at hiding &/or changing historical fact?

Lord, do they work up a sweat running from all that is true.

And what makes it so much worse is that they support those very politicians whose only desire is to keep them poor and uneducated in order to manipulate them. To be 'beholden' to them for the welfare state-social services. These folks have no idea how they are being positioned as part of the underclass.

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Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

CROCKET

don't you just enjoy the way some people work diligently at ignoring and covering up FACTS? The way some people make great effort at hiding &/or changing historical fact?

Lord, do they work up a sweat running from all that is true.

And what makes it so much worse is that they support those very politicians whose only desire is to keep them poor and uneducated in order to manipulate them. To be 'beholden' to them for the welfare state-social services. These folks have no idea how they are being positioned as part of the underclass.

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Few politicians ever hurt their careers by pandering to the rabble.