Thread: Mike pence immigration plan

The black population of Nashville are enraged over illegal immigration. They've had 3 different rallies already!

Originally Posted by gofer

The black population of Nashville are enraged over illegal immigration. They've had 3 different rallies already!

Ohhhhhhhh, that's right, GOFER........you have on the ground experience.

Well, guess I'm gonna take your first hand info over 2nd and 3rd hand assumptions.

Thanx!

Nittygritty wrote:

I will not do that again, if I have to vote for one of 2 evils, I will just stay home and POUT instead!

IMHO, that would be the same as voting for the worse of the two evils because you failed to cancel out a vote for the worse evil by not casting your vote for the lesser evil. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

This whole thread makes no sense. Does anyone really believe all the illegals are just going to pack up and go back to Mexico because a government they don't trust request it? My guess is less than 20% would go home, if that. Furthermore, those involved in the drug trade, gang members, and those with criminal records wouldn't dare budge. Also, let's not forget, all illegal immigrants aren't from Mexico. Do you honestly think those from China, Ireland, etc. are going to risk going back to their homeland? We need to be realistic here - the Pence/Hutchinson plan would have never worked as presented. The Pence plan was/is not a solution - only another failure waiting to happen.

I know there are a few african americans here and there that probably speaks out against illegal immigration, but its definatly not a lot of them.Maybe 15%.

I didnt hear about any african american rallies against illegal immigration in Nashville...i think it would have to be a huge rally to catch the public attention, not a small minute-men-like rally...i know in north jersey and probably everywhere else, the african american community has zero problem with illegal immigrants and they just look at it as a bunch of poor people trying to survive and make a living, therefore, they would feel bad if they speak out against poor latino families moving in their community.The black churches helps them seek housing and other stuff.

Bob menendez got re-elected with the majority of the african american electorate voting for him and he voted for s2611.

Most african americans dont have a problem with it. I dont know whats happening in nashville, but my guess is, its probably a small pocket of people, not the majority and even with that, they would still have to vote against the guy that voted for amnesty which will probably not happen.




Iraq qill again be the #1 issue even if amnesty passes..as long as we have troops in iraq, it will continue to cover other issues...Barack obama has gained a lot of media attention and if that continues, he might be the next president of the US...Now, how can this happens since obama also voted for s2611.....People will vote for him and wont care about any amnesty...barack is against the war in iraq and thats all that matters with the electorate...Why isnt tancredo getting the same kind of support for his presidential run?

Can tancredo win the GOP nomination?.

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Originally Posted by MovingForward

african american community has zero problem with illegal immigrants

What planet are you on? I've been talking to African-Americans and I would have to disagree with our assessment. Just go stand on a corner somewhere, with a sign that says "deport illegal aliens" and watch how many people from different races cheer you on and support you. But then again, if you want to be blind to the facts, then it's a waste of your time.

Dixie

Originally Posted by Dixie

Originally Posted by MovingForward

african american community has zero problem with illegal immigrants

What planet are you on? I've been talking to African-Americans and I would have to disagree with our assessment. Just go stand on a corner somewhere, with a sign that says "deport illegal aliens" and watch how many people from different races cheer you on and support you. But then again, if you want to be blind to the facts, then it's a waste of your time.

Dixie

Crackin a few nuts, are you Dix?

For your reading pleasure, MovingForward:

The Conflict to Come


Regional/ Kansas City:

By Jack Cashill

May 2006 issue
ingramsonline.com

In one of those cool moments of cosmic justice, the success of Thomas Frank’s preposterous critique of red state America—What’s The Matter With Kansas—has inspired a retaliatory book, What’s The Matter With California, that yours truly has been contracted to pen.

To that end I spent a good chunk of this past month in Southern California. What I learned there has, I believe, future ramifications for Kansas City, especially along one fault line that the media here—and there—are busily ignoring.

I should admit up front that I like Los Angeles and the area around it more than I am supposed to. As a champion of sprawl, I do not suffer the planner’s anguish at seeing people transporting themselves at the time of their choosing from point A to point B comfortably and privately. Yes, there are a gazillion cars on the road at any given time. That they move as well as they do—indeed, that they move at all—continues to impress me.

Nor do I believe, as many in California do, that human beings have ruined the planet, let alone the state of California. As I see it, the more people the merrier. Hell, I grew up in New Jersey, which has nearly five times as many people per square mile as California. I know, a lot of California is desert and what not, but Palm Springs was pure desert, and now it’s pretty tolerable. Any place where the Sonny Bono Freeway intersects Bob Hope Drive has a lot to recommend it.

No, the most pressing problem—though by no means the most profound—is the presumption that there are many more people in California than documented. Conventional wisdom places the number of illegal immigrants in the country at about 12 million, maybe half of whom are alleged to reside in California.

I have come to distrust this number. Any time that the forces both pro and con have an interest in inflating a given figure—one side to threaten with, the other side to be threatened by—you can be sure that the number is out of whack.

I drove extensively through the barrios in East L.A. and visited with the administrators of the city of Maywood, a 97 percent Hispanic city that has boldly declared itself a sanctuary for illegal immigrants. And yet, truth be told, Maywood looks less like Mexicali than it does Mayberry RFD. In Maywood, there are no Hoovervilles or tent cities, no sprawling encampments Okie-style. If there are scores of thousands of illegal immigrants here as claimed, they are impressively well concealed.

Of the 25 or so Hispanic service workers with whom I had contact in California last month, 24 of them spoke solid English. It is highly unlikely that they are here illegally. The business classes have convinced themselves that the Southern California economy would collapse if the undocumented were sent home, but they have bought into the activist-spawned myth that most of the Hispanic service workers they see are here illegally. They are not.

Despite the concern about illegal immigration, there is minimal friction between Anglos and Hispanics in Southern California. White progressive Californians actually embrace the illegal cause because it allows them to feel more racially enlightened than their fellow citizens and still get their gardens tended at a bargain. Win-win.

If illegal immigration is a top of mind issue among the affluent in California, not one such person with whom I spoke mentioned black-white race relations as an issue. Indeed, there was no talk at all about African-Americans. It’s as if in the wake of Rodney King and OJ the collective California psyche had repressed all memory of black existence.

Blacks, however, are just as aware of their own existence as they ever were. They are also keenly aware of the illegal immigrant population as they are more likely to suffer its real consequences than are white Californians. Disproportionately, they share the streets with the undocumented, the schools, the job opportunities and, unfortunately for all, the prisons.

The prisons are the flashpoint. Hispanics, many of them illegal immigrants, now outnumber blacks in the state prisons and county jails and tend to be better organized. They are also allied with the white supremacist prison gangs like the Aryan Nation.

This power shift has led to chronic “brown-on-black” violence and numerous lockdowns through the state. Racial battles in the LA County jails in February lasted more than two weeks, involved more than a thousand prisoners, left several hundred injured and at least two dead. Black prisoners have had to ask the authorities for protection from their brown brothers.

“For those that don’t know,” observes one insider, “the streets of LA are ruled by prison politics.” The rioting has moved to the schools, and several of these have recently gone into lockdown mode as well. Says this same ex-con, “Lunchtime in the Los Angeles high schools has become something you can compare to year release in the state prisons system.” The one high school that I visited looked more like a prison than most prisons, ringed as it was by an eight-foot high iron fence with its menacing spikes turned outwards.

Terry Anderson, a native Californian and a long time resident of South Central L.A., has launched a weekly radio show around the issue of illegal immigration. “They told me a one-issue show would never last,” Anderson confided to me, “but that was six years ago.” The day I talked to Anderson he had just come from a rally of African Americans against illegal immigration staged in South Central. Among those speaking were members of the “Black Minutemen.”

“The anger was overflowing,” said Anderson. For Anderson, the issue was not just violence in the prisons and schools, but jobs. Given the choice between legal residents with high expectations and illegal residents with low ones, he asked, “Who would you hire?” A week later, a group called “Mothers On The March” staged a rally at LA’s Crenshaw High “to protest the loss of jobs in the Black community to illegal aliens.”

In a city as fragmented as Los Angeles, it is altogether possible to ignore everything unpleasant until it literally goes up in smoke. When I asked one young screenwriter how all this affected him, he shrugged, “It doesn’t. I’m a Roman citizen.” The problems, he implied, are left to the plebeians to sort out.

Life seems to happen first in California. If so, the sounds of head banging even in our own fair city may soon enough drown out the sounds of head patting among the suburban elite. The flash point problem isn’t the number of Hispanics, or even their legal status, but rather where they are located.

http://www.cashill.com/regional/conflict_2_come.htm

Hispanics against illegal immigration - " You don't speak for me !"


I wish I could get the moonbats over at the Arkansas Times to wrap their tiny brains around the idea that immigrating to America is not a right, and I have been saying that for some time now. Now it looks like Choose Black America (CBA), a coalition of African Americans supporting enforcement of U.S. immigration laws thinks the same thing as well and seems a little insulted that the civil rights movement is being compared to illegals coming across our borders claiming a civil right to do so.

The DC Indy Media website has the story, "Amnesty for Violating U.S. Immigration Laws Is Not a Civil Rights Issue, Declares Black Coalition Washington, DC—A planned protest rally in Chicago on Wednesday and a “day of advocacy” on Capitol Hill, organized by illegal aliens and their supporters, has nothing whatsoever to do with the civil rights struggle, declared Choose Black America (CBA), a coalition of African Americans supporting enforcement of U.S. immigration laws.
Illegal alien advocacy groups are hoping to revive moribund legislation that would grant amnesty to millions of people who are in the country illegally with street demonstrations and a day of congressional lobbying. Organizers of Wednesday’s coordinated events are attempting to portray their demands for amnesty as the new civil rights issue of our time.“Being rewarded for coming to this country illegally with citizenship and other benefits is not a civil right,” stated Dr. Frank Morris, chairman of CBA. “What the civil rights struggle in this country has been, and continues to be, is an effort to ensure that no one is discriminated against because of their race, religion or ethnicity. That is altogether different from breaking the law and then seeking to be rewarded for it. Too many people have paid too high a price to sit quietly while the civil rights agenda is hijacked by those who want to avoid the consequences of violating our immigration laws.”Black Americans have also been disproportionately harmed by mass illegal immigration, and stand to lose even more were an illegal alien amnesty to be enacted. Black citizens have often been among the first to be displaced by the influx of illegal alien labor, while black school kids often find themselves trapped in educational systems that are overwhelmed by the influx of illegal immigrants and their families."

Immigration, not to mention "illegal" immigration is not a civil right.

“The civil rights struggle was not just about being able to drink from the same fountain, or sit at the same counter,” Morris continued. “It was about access to the opportunities that should be the inherent right of all citizens. Yet today, many American citizens, especially black citizens, find those opportunities limited by the effects of mass illegal immigration and the government’s refusal to enforce the laws that are supposed to protect us. To add insult to injury, the people who are taking to the streets of Chicago and the halls of Congress are claiming that their presence in this country is a matter of civil rights.”CBA is urging Congress to reject amnesty for illegal aliens and enact an immigration enforcement bill that would help America regain control of its borders and American citizens regain access to millions of jobs that have been lost to them. “The civil rights that Congress needs to protect are those of the American people: The civil right to a job at a living wage; the civil right to a quality education for every American child. And, given the current world situation, American citizens should have a civil right to a government that controls its borders and protects the basic security of the nation,” Morris concluded. For more information please call Ira Mehlman at 310-821-4283."

Fox News 16 has reported on a website that you can use to identify places of employment that are hiring illegal immigrants, "A California based website are asking for the help of the public to anonymously report any illegal aliens who may be employed at local businesses. They have found 2400 companies of 47 states that employ undocumented workers. For more information refer to WeHireAliens.com."

We all know where they are, get to work.

John Anderson

http://thecitizensjournalblog.blogspot. ... ights.html

Do your own internet search MovingForward and you'll find plenty of instances where African-Americans do not support illegal immigrants. They are rallying throughout the country. Don't believe everything Jesse Jackson or Rev. Sharpton tell you. Some African-Americans are being hit hard in the wallet through loss of employment opportunities, thanks to our governments failure to do anything about illegal immigration. Please do a little research before attempting to tell us that 85% of African-Americans support illegal immigration, because they don't!

Yea, I've been busy.

Originally Posted by MovingForward

I know there are a few african americans here and there that probably speaks out against illegal immigration, but its definatly not a lot of them.Maybe 15%.

I didnt hear about any african american rallies against illegal immigration in Nashville...i think it would have to be a huge rally to catch the public attention, not a small minute-men-like rally...i know in north jersey and probably everywhere else, the african american community has zero problem with illegal immigrants and they just look at it as a bunch of poor people trying to survive and make a living, therefore, they would feel bad if they speak out against poor latino families moving in their community.The black churches helps them seek housing and other stuff.

Bob menendez got re-elected with the majority of the african american electorate voting for him and he voted for s2611.

Most african americans dont have a problem with it. I dont know whats happening in nashville, but my guess is, its probably a small pocket of people, not the majority and even with that, they would still have to vote against the guy that voted for amnesty which will probably not happen.




Iraq qill again be the #1 issue even if amnesty passes..as long as we have troops in iraq, it will continue to cover other issues...Barack obama has gained a lot of media attention and if that continues, he might be the next president of the US...Now, how can this happens since obama also voted for s2611.....People will vote for him and wont care about any amnesty...barack is against the war in iraq and thats all that matters with the electorate...Why isnt tancredo getting the same kind of support for his presidential run?

Can tancredo win the GOP nomination?.

I hear you talking, but I don't see jack squat in the way of factual support for your premise. I also lve when people throw out percentages that they simply pull from their arses. Where on Earth did you come up with that 15% figure, other than out of thin air?