Thread: Minor flair-up on the Immigration Portal Web Site

Originally Posted by daydreamer

Even as a legal immigrant I feel uneasy with the anti-immigration talks, be it anti legal or illegal. My dad legalized under 245i, and as a minor at the time, I was a beneficiary of his petition.

Why did you join the forum if it makes you uneasy talking about illegal immigration?

Daydreamer, you keep changing your story. Are you legal or illegal? Perhaps you OUGHT to feel uneasy. After all, if you are an illegal and our own gov't spies on our boards, you are at risk because you stand out so much.

Hey Daydreamer, this is an anti ILLEGAL immigration forum. Please make a note of that, post on a little sticky note on your computer if you have to.

thanks Slyvia- I agree with you !

Just to clarify...

H-1B and L-1 visa holders are not immigrants. They may think they are, but they're on a 6 year visa.

They come here
They get indentured to Tata
They get trained by an American*
American gets fired
They work for 6 years
They return home to India

Many "forget" to return home after 6 years.

There's a bit more activity since originally post.
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showth ... p?t=205957


*Don't believe it? Ask 500 former USAA programmers who got fired in Jan 2003

thanks Coto for breaking down the Global -work slave market into an easy to understand paragragh- there is so much to learn in all of this !

I never said I was illegal. I said my dad legalized under 245i. Whats so hard to understand? I am not pro-illegal immigration, all I am saying, and I have said it before, is legalization should be on a case by case basis. I do not condone undocumented migration.

Me being afraid of the gov't? LoL. First of all, I pay my taxes, they work for me. Second, thats a cheap shot "oh look out if you're illegal we're gonna get you!" I have nothing to hide. It is obvious many of you are not familiar with 245i if you are calling me illegal. My dad had his workers authorization while waiting for his petition. No unauthorized employment. This was before 9/11.

The reason I feel uneasy is because my dad was in immigration limbo before legalizing so its hard for me to say "Get out" to people in similar situations.

Hi Thelma, how ya doin?

The Zazona website does a really good job describing the Indentured H-1B.

Quoting
http://www.zazona.com/shameh1b/H1BFAQs. ... Indentured

Why are H-1Bs called indentured workers?

Employers have unusual leverage and power over the foreign H1B worker because that worker can not easily change jobs once they are here. Employers can pay them less, work them harder, and refuse to give them salary increases because they know the H-1B can't leave as easily as a U.S. Citizen in a similar position. If the H1B worker decides to change jobs, they need another employer to sponsor them for the H1B visa, and the big "carrot" for the H1B worker is the promise of a "green card". If they leave the first employer for another one, the green card process which has to start over from scratch. The prize of a green card is used as a carrot by the first employer because they know that the H-1B is taking a huge risk if his visa expires before the green card is approved. This carrot and stick game places the H1B worker in a bad position, making him essentially an indentured servant, docile, submissive and willing to work for less pay.

If an H1B worker leaves his company that company may sue him for liquidated damages.* These damages are whatever the company says the project will lose when this employee leaves. The threat of being sued for liquidated damages further indentures the H-1B to his or her employer.

It takes about the 9 -12 Months for an employer's request to cancel an H-1B visa to be processed by the INS. An H-1B worker can apply for transfer of H-1B Visa during this time. The INS sends this request to the employer only and the employer must notify the employee and provide transportation costs (Air tickets) to fly back to native country if needed.

*Tata sues the crap out of 'em all the time (according to other websites)

Thelma, let's say an indentured H-1B somehow manages to get a green card. Okay, time passes and he even gets citizenship. Then he's really screwed! Soon as he gets citizenship, his job will get offshored to Bang-town and he goes to the unemployment line.

So I don't know why, Thelma, they're bustin ass to get citizenship 'cause when they do, they're screwed 'cause they'll be one of us. Paying taxes to support the illegals and everything we're putting up with.

So, Thelma, once they get their citizenship, their best decision is to quit that immigration portal website and come on over to Alipac and help us out.

Hi Daydreamer,
Sorry I jumped ahead of you there, it took me longer to get my reply going to Thelma.
Coto