Thread: My proposed solution:

1. Allow the illegals to work - they seem to appreciate the opportunity to perform jobs that Americans do not want to do - BUT mandate that the employers provide group insurance and mandate that the illegals participate - for all of their family members - or collect a medical tax from all illegals.
2. NEVER-give a person that enters this country illegally citizenship and the right to vote.
3. Never give automatic citizenship to infants born in this country unless one of the parents is a citizen - not just a legal resident.
4. Every illegal should be fingerprinted as part of the worker ID program, and use that fingerprint for identification purposes. If it works as Disney, it can work anywhere.

Illegals should NEVER be allowed to sue for malpractice, MVA's -- period.
Lawsuits are fast becoming their pot of gold in America.

Welcome to Alipac gr8ncrn! Glad to have you with us!

Welcome gr8ncrn, check out our board and see how the very things that you are stating have been discussed here at ALIPAC with our members. Some good points there, but letting them here in the first place "is" the problem, they do not want to follow the laws of our country.

Originally Posted by gr8ncrn

1. Allow the illegals to work - they seem to appreciate the opportunity to perform jobs that Americans do not want to do - BUT mandate that the employers provide group insurance and mandate that the illegals participate - for all of their family members - or collect a medical tax from all illegals.
2. NEVER-give a person that enters this country illegally citizenship and the right to vote.
3. Never give automatic citizenship to infants born in this country unless one of the parents is a citizen - not just a legal resident.
4. Every illegal should be fingerprinted as part of the worker ID program, and use that fingerprint for identification purposes. If it works as Disney, it can work anywhere.

hmmm sounds like you are a panderer. THERE ARE NO JOBS AMERICANS WON'T DO!!!

I just went home to Kansas and so AMERICANS cleaning hotels, working fast food, doing construction and landscaping. Hell my cousin got laid off at the Tyson plant so they could bring in Somalians from a plant they closed.

Americans are willing to do the jobs but get undercut by panderers and greedy businesses.

NOT do. The next time you bite into fresh produce, you best know that it was probably migrant farmworkers that hand picked them. I do not know about your area, but here, Americans will not pick veggies in 100 degree weather from sun up to sun down for 6.00 an hour, with no workers comp. no benefits.
I do not want illegals to mooch here, but facts are facts - in this area, the American will not do farm work. They prefer to meet the mailman.

Originally Posted by gr8ncrn

1. Allow the illegals to work - they seem to appreciate the opportunity to perform jobs that Americans do not want to do - BUT mandate that the employers provide group insurance and mandate that the illegals participate - for all of their family members - or collect a medical tax from all illegals.
2. NEVER-give a person that enters this country illegally citizenship and the right to vote.
3. Never give automatic citizenship to infants born in this country unless one of the parents is a citizen - not just a legal resident.
4. Every illegal should be fingerprinted as part of the worker ID program, and use that fingerprint for identification purposes. If it works as Disney, it can work anywhere.

I can't agree with item number 1, which underlies your other points. First off, this nation is founded on the principle of the fundamental unacceptability of taxation without representation. That means that we would necessarily eventually allow these interlopers to vote or else they could not be allowed to remain, whether working or not. Furthermore, allowing them to remain and work would merely encourage scofflaws to disregard the laws of this nation. It is not legal for them to remain here without having gone through the required process. If their first act here is to violate our immigration laws, why would we imagine that they would respect our other laws? In fact, we see that in case after case these criminals DO NOT respect our laws and simply disregard or ignore those they do not like. When they get themselves into serious trouble, they simply flee back across the border to safety.

For those wanting "representation" there are established legal means for entering this country, applying for citizenship and the right to vote. If they choose not to do so - then so be it - they will forfeit their opportunities.

There are a few answers which obviate the "need" for illegal farm laborers.

The Bracero program of the 190s principally recruited Mexicans for the tomato harvest. With the end of the program the farms mechanized.

There are enough prisoners serving time behind bars for nonviolent offenses to replace illegals.

Originally Posted by gr8ncrn

For those wanting "representation" there are established legal means for entering this country, applying for citizenship and the right to vote. If they choose not to do so - then so be it - they will forfeit their opportunities.

If we end up with a large foreign labor force here who are not and will not become Americans, we will end up with the same situation the Afrikaaners faced with imported refugees taking over the country in South Africa and that the Israelis face with the Palestinians. For those who are unaware, the South African "homelands" were not like our Indian reservations, which provided homelands for natives to the region. Most of the black Africans who populated those homelands were refugees from other African nations driven there by warfare in their native lands. They were allowed in as refugees and for labor, but quickly turned militant and began demanding full rights and a vote at the urging of the Communist-backed ANC. What you propse would set up a very similar situation, given that the Mexicans and Central Americans, who are no more native to the US than most of the Africans in the homelands were to south Africa, are already claiming that America was "stolen" from them.