Thread: OBSERVATION

Originally Posted by CheyenneWoman

I'm not in the habit of apologizing for others, who need to bear their own responsibilities. Having said that, ruthiela has apologized for her generalization, and I very sure that right now, she would like to crawl into a corner and cry.

As opinion said - "every one of us are human beings". That means once in a while we get "our tongue in front of our eye teeth and can't see what we're saying".

Everyone of us, human beings, has as some time or another, said something derogatory about other human beings. Whether it's about their size, or about their skin color, or about their intelligence level, or about the dress they wore, or their religion. The ist goes on and on.

I'm an American Indian who has been called hispanic, and worse, the "N" word. Sometimes even "savage" or "heathen". As ruthiela said in her apology, it's hard to distinguish "good" people from "bad" people. That holds true no matter what color your skin is.

Sometimes good people say stupid things! It's called being human. The only time I have an argument with people saying stupid things are those who refuse to acknowledge it and insist they're right.

I guess I asking everyone here to cut the girl a break, please!!!

No harm done to me, I agree with everything you say CayenneWoman, sometimes what happens is that we don't pay much attention how we say things, and people get hurt, but it is not our intention, and we all most of the time generalize, that's HUMAN.

Originally Posted by opinion

The government says that it is impossible, and not fair to deport these poor people who are already settle in this country, who already have families, conceived children in this country. So tell me, does it pay for you to take the law into your own hands? This is the situation, and you should be angry with the government.

Poor people? Sorry, criminals are criminals. I don't care whether they are poor or not. If they are here illegally and don't want to be deported, they should get themselves back to their side of the border. I don't care if they "conceived families" here, because they had no right to do so. They came illegally, had their families illegally, and if they have to bear the consequences of their illegal actions, TOUGH!

As for taking the law "into our own hands," Americans seem to have forgotten that that is exactly where the law belongs. As the government has become more and more authoritarian, it has managed to convince us that the law is the province of the government, not of the people. If you study American history and have read the writings of the Founding Fathers you recognize that as a lie. The law belongs to the people. Enforcement of the law belongs as much to the people as it does to the authorities. When I was young, you still used to hear the term "citizen's arrest," and it still used to mean something. The authoritarian government has attempted to erase all concept of the notion of the power of the citizenry to make an arrest when a crime is witnessed, because authoritarian governments want their subjects to be weak, helpless, and utterly dependent upon government. And how can a capricious government selectively enforce the laws if the unpredictable citizenry is out there stopping criminals that are serving the purposes of the government?

If We the People don't start taking the law back into our own hands, we're going to end up in a nation without any valid law, just like Mexico and the other third world cesspools these anarchistic invaders hail from.

Originally Posted by MW

Cheyenne woman wrote:

I'm an American Indian who has been called hispanic, and worse, the "N" word. Sometimes even "savage" or "heathen".

Yeah, you do give the appearance of being a little "savage" at times!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Stinker :P :P :P

Actually, I am!!! That blood does run deep!!!!

Wild Indians

If We the People don't start taking the law back into our own hands, we're going to end up in a nation without any valid law, just like Mexico and the other third world cesspools these anarchistic invaders hail from.

Amen Crocket::

The Declaration of Independence:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Welcome Opinion!

There's no way for us to tell who's here illegally.

Like opinion said, that's the job of the government to figure that out. Problem is, they're not doing their job. That's why we're in this mess now.

I have quite a few Hispanic friends who are very upset about the illegal invasion. The illegals effect all of us.

Doesn't matter where the illegals are from. They need to hit the road.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by opinion

The government says that it is impossible, and not fair to deport these poor people who are already settle in this country, who already have families, conceived children in this country. So tell me, does it pay for you to take the law into your own hands? This is the situation, and you should be angry with the government.

Poor people? Sorry, criminals are criminals. I don't care whether they are poor or not. If they are here illegally and don't want to be deported, they should get themselves back to their side of the border. I don't care if they "conceived families" here, because they had no right to do so. They came illegally, had their families illegally, and if they have to bear the consequences of their illegal actions, TOUGH!

As for taking the law "into our own hands," Americans seem to have forgotten that that is exactly where the law belongs. As the government has become more and more authoritarian, it has managed to convince us that the law is the province of the government, not of the people. If you study American history and have read the writings of the Founding Fathers you recognize that as a lie. The law belongs to the people. Enforcement of the law belongs as much to the people as it does to the authorities. When I was young, you still used to hear the term "citizen's arrest," and it still used to mean something. The authoritarian government has attempted to erase all concept of the notion of the power of the citizenry to make an arrest when a crime is witnessed, because authoritarian governments want their subjects to be weak, helpless, and utterly dependent upon government. And how can a capricious government selectively enforce the laws if the unpredictable citizenry is out there stopping criminals that are serving the purposes of the government?

If We the People don't start taking the law back into our own hands, we're going to end up in a nation without any valid law, just like Mexico and the other third world cesspools these anarchistic invaders hail from.

Oh CrocketsGhost, I agree with you 100%. What I meant when I said to ruthiela that we can't take the law in our own hands, I meant to say that her alone, or I alone picking on in every Spanish, Russian, Chichese,etc. In a group I'm ready, as the matter of fact, I think we are wasting time, because our politicians might give us a surprise anytime, since most of them have been saying that it is impossible to deport all these illegals. I think we are sleeping, and once they make a decision I think they will not give a darn about what we say. This is the reason why I opened a topic about what I think is the biggest problem with illegals.
Remember that they are not going to deport the ones that have had children, and just about all of them had children, they know what they are doing, and this is the biggest problem which I don't think we are going to be able to stop, those people are ahead of us. And I really think that the pressure we should put is about the children, that if at least one of the parents is not a citizen, or legal resident, the child should not be a citizen. Remember what I'm telling you, this is the problem, and more will come in to make children.

Deporting the illegal parents is no different than putting citizen parents in prison. In both cases the children will suffer.

Originally Posted by had_enuf

Deporting the illegal parents is no different than putting citizen parents in prison. In both cases the children will suffer.

THANK YOU!!!!!

Originally Posted by had_enuf

Welcome Opinion!

There's no way for us to tell who's here illegally.

Like opinion said, that's the job of the government to figure that out. Problem is, they're not doing their job. That's why we're in this mess now.

I have quite a few Hispanic friends who are very upset about the illegal invasion. The illegals effect all of us.

Doesn't matter where the illegals are from. They need to hit the road.

Hi had_enuf, When these people starter marching demanding rights, and legalization they were talking as if every Spanish person in this country was with them. Then Spanish against these invasion formed an organization called YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME (something like that) and it is true, I can't even speak for my father,nor brothers,and sisters, how can these people speak for everyone who is Spanish?

Of course they affect all of us, because we are the ones who have to support their families. They claim that they pay taxes, the taxes they pay is not enough to support each one of them with so many children they make. And the purpose to make children is so they can take over. The government is fooling us, I bet it would not be impossible for any of us to get them out, how can it be impossible for the government to get them out? They give us the excuse that it would be very expensive to send them back to their countries by plane, why should they bother with that? Just impose big penalties for those who employ them, take all benefits they are getting away, and they will have to go on their own. They have houses,cars, money, so what is the problem?

One thing for sure is that the ones with children are not going to be deported, so tell me who would go if most of them have had children? And as they keep coming the first thing they do is to have a child, these people know what they are doing, they are ahead of us.

opinion:

Wouldn't it be a good idea for legal immigrants such as yourself to sign up the the "You Don't Speak for Me" campaign. Get more punch behind it???

I don't know now many members it has now, but if every legal immigrant signed up, it would be a force to behold!!! You see, they can just write us off as "extremists", but that would be hard to do with a coalition like "You Don't Speak for Me". I'll bet the government would start to pay more attention.