Thread: The real reason Huck won and Romney lost

Originally Posted by odiesback

Very disappointed with this result but hoping Romney
will be more clear with his plan to fight amnesty.

I am having my in-laws as house guests for
few days. They are both from a "non-denomination"
church and see Mormons almost like the devil.
They're also against illegal immigration and Republicans.
I have no idea who they're supporting but when
I told them I am with Romney their response was
an "Oh! the Mormon?" -

I cant believe they will put religion first and
country last.

As a foreigner who has never even been aware of the religion of her country's leadership watching people vote based on religion terrifies me. Surely policies are what matters????????

If someone is going to be a good leader, do what they say they will do it should not matter which religious building they go to for worship, assuming they even do so. Religion is a personal choice which is usually taught us by our families. Having a prosperous, well run, just country to live in just needs to be the prominent choice.

Just my opinion but whatever happened to the division between church and state?

Originally Posted by IowaPatriot

I"m a Iowan who voted for Paul. I also have a very religious finace and very religious family members. I"m religious just not to the same degree.

In my precinct Illegal immigration got the most attention during discussions along with Abortion as the 2 main issues. In my precinct Huckabee dominationed probably getting about the same # of votes as the others combined(Romney,Thompson,Paul,McCain,Guliani in that order).

Now with all that being said IMHO here's how I see what happened overall in my backyard. The general media(newspapers,local media,local radio) of course didnt put the truth out there enough(there were some outlets of course),but overall most people saw Romney and others bashing Huckabee on immigration,but there wasn't anything to your mainstream person.

McCain got demolished in my area but of course everyone knows his views on amesty. The general public understood him because he was very blunt about it.

Abortion is the key...not just for the religious though,but for those who consider it murder. Romney in people minds flipflopped on it and Huckabee comes across as someone who would fight abortion 100% and then on immigration most people who dont read the internet or listen to a variety of talk radio really arent informed enough on it. But with abortion its pretty clear cut your either for it or against it and if in your past you were for it,people would be very skeptical of change on it.

Thanks for posting your analysis. Although I don't live in IA, what you say makes a great deal of sense to me. It's helpful to read the take from someone who knows a state well. I hope we can get some advance information on the situation in NH so we can quickly plan Operation Takedown McCain. We don't have much time.

Romney lost based upon Evangelical hucksterism.

All the polls showed that Romney won every other demographic EXCEPT the evangelical vote. That says it all.

THis was the largest example of bigotry in America in recent years. Romney isn't wounded as some would make it. Huckabee is a one state wonder.

Let's not forget that Reagan lost handily in IOWA as well. This determines nothing.

On to New Hampshire, & fight the good fight. If Romney is second in NH & does well on Super Tuesday, he still has a great chance. HE lost by 9% that is not crushing.

IOWA was the bigotry vote. How sad, besides, why should we consider the fate of the nation in the hands of 100K corn farmers?

The way I see it this morning , Unless Romney does win,
We are sol

If Rudy , McClown or Huck get the nom
Illegal immigration will be totally off the table during the
general election

The Dems already are getting a pass on the issue

Rudi , Huck or Mc are not going to make it an issue , their records
on it sucks

Take a look at the map of the U.S., now find Iowa, how many of you are truly worried? If you recall Bill Clinton blew Iowa off and he was elected twice. Let's all calm down and regroup.

Actually I don't think Romney losing was as big a deal
as the fact that Hillary finished 3rd and by such a big margin

Iowans voted for a preacher - the rest of America will vote for a president.

Go Mitt!

I agree with HiwayTrader. I want a President (with private sector experience etc.,) not a slick talking, tax-raising, preacher/professional politician from the deep South.

Granted this is CBS, but here is their analysis:

Why Huckabee Won
Evangelicals Boost Former Ark. Governor To Victory In Iowa GOP Caucuses

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/ ... 3124.shtml

Look at the presidents who won past Iowa caucuses. Bush, Reagan, and Clinton are among them. THIS SCARES ME.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus

Past winners
Candidates in bold eventually won their party's nomination. Candidates in italics subsequently won the general election.

Democrats
January 3, 2008 - Barack Obama (38%), John Edwards (30%), Hillary Clinton (29%), Bill Richardson (2%), Joe Biden (1%), Chris Dodd 0%, Mike Gravel 0%, and Dennis Kucinich 0%[12]
January 19, 2004 - John Kerry (38%), John Edwards (32%), Howard Dean (18%), Dick Gephardt (11%), and Dennis Kucinich (1%)
January 24, 2000 - Al Gore (63%) and Bill Bradley (37%)
February 12, 1996 - Bill Clinton (unopposed)
February 10, 1992 - Tom Harkin (76%), "Uncommitted" (12%), Paul Tsongas (4%), Bill Clinton (3%), Bob Kerrey (2%), and Jerry Brown (2%)
February 8, 1988 - Dick Gephardt (31%), Paul Simon (27%), Michael Dukakis (22%), and Bruce Babbitt (6%)
February 20, 1984 - Walter Mondale (49%), Gary Hart (17%), George McGovern (10%), Alan Cranston (7%), John Glenn (4%), Reubin Askew (3%), and Jesse Jackson (2%)
January 21, 1980 - Jimmy Carter (59%) and Ted Kennedy (31%)
January 19, 1976 - "Uncommitted" (37%), Jimmy Carter (28%) Birch Bayh (13%), Fred R. Harris (10%), Morris Udall (6%), Sargent Shriver (3%), and Henry M. Jackson (1%)
January 24, 1972 - "Uncommitted" (36%), Edmund Muskie (36%), George McGovern (23%), Hubert Humphrey (2%), Eugene McCarthy (1%), Shirley Chisholm (1%), and Henry M. Jackson (1%)[13]

Republicans
2008- Mike Huckabee (34%), Mitt Romney (25%), Fred Thompson (13%), John McCain (13%), Ron Paul (10%), Rudy Giuliani (4%), and Duncan Hunter (1%) *95% of precincts reporting [1]
2004- George W. Bush (unopposed)
2000- George W. Bush (41%), Steve Forbes (30%), Alan Keyes (14%), Gary Bauer (9%), John McCain (5%), and Orrin Hatch (1%)
1996- Bob Dole (26%), Pat Buchanan (23%), Lamar Alexander (18%), Steve Forbes (10%), Phil Gramm (9%), Alan Keyes (7%), Richard Lugar (4%), and Morry Taylor (1%)
1992- George H. W. Bush (unopposed)
1988- Bob Dole (37%), Pat Robertson (25%), George H. W. Bush (19%), Jack Kemp (11%), and Pete DuPont (7%)
1984- Ronald Reagan (unopposed)
1980- George H. W. Bush (32%), Ronald Reagan (30%), Howard Baker (15%), John Connally (9%), Phil Crane (7%), John B. Anderson (4%), and Bob Dole (2%)
1976- Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by ymeoru

I understand the depression right now. Everyone seems so disappointed that Romney came in 2nd. Shucks. I don't even think Duncan Hunter was a blip on the screen.

I'm at the point that I'm not sure I care any more about WHO gets to the White House. I just want us to have a chair at the table. We have to have a voice. We can't let them shove illegal immigration us.

I don't know how we do it. But, we can't allow ourselves to be marginalized. If Obama is for illegal immigration - I hope people find a way to make him say it every day.

After Huckabee got that lead, the press focused on his background a "wee" bit better. But, Obama has gotten a full pass.

I want us to have a seat at the table. Maybe neither Paul or Hunter are going to the White House - but our government allowed La Raza to help write that so called comprehensive plan.

I want us to have a legitimate voice next time. Regardless of who gets to become president.

Is there any organization out there that comprises all the illegal immigrant organizations? You guys probably know. What group is out there pulling all the little groups together into something bigger and well organized.

This organization is one of the biggest!!

Also, are you registered with Numbers?? http://www.numbersusa.com

I am registered with with NumbersUSA. I kind of felt like this was one of the biggest because I see William Gheen on the news a lot. I like the way he stands up for the cause. I think he's really brave.

I don't understand how anyone can listen to Beck and not think we have major problem.