Thread: Secession from the Union: a viable alternative?

Here's some info from wikipedia on this topic:

Efforts to organize a continental secession movement have been initiated
since 2004 by members of Second Vermont Republic, working with noted
decentralist author Kirkpatrick Sale. Their second "radical consultation" in
November of 2004 resulted in a statement of intent called The Middlebury
Declaration. It also gave rise to the Middlebury Institute, which documents
the development of this movement.

In November 2006 the same group sponsored the First North American
Secessionist Convention which attracted 40 participants from 16 secessionist
organizations and was (erroneously) described as the first gathering of
secessionists since the Civil War. Delegates included a broad spectrum from
libertarians to socialists to greens to Christian conservatives to
indigenous peoples activists. Groups represented included Alaskan
Independence Party, Cascadia Independence Project, Hawai?i Nation, The
Second Maine Militia, The Free State Project, the Republic of New Hampshire,
the League of the South, Christian Exodus, the Second Vermont Republic and
the United Republic of Texas. Delegates created a statement of principles of
secession which they presented as the Burlington Declaration.[4]The Second
North American Secessionist Convention is planned for October, 2007, in
Chattanooga, Tennesee.

In the summer of 2007, an advocacy group called Californians for
Independence was formed. Its mission is "the eventual secession of
California from the United States of America."

Maybe it's time people gave this more thought. I don't want to live in a
United States of Latin America, does anyone else?

We're a weaker country if we are separated rather than remaining united. But, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Second American Civil War in the next 10 to 50 years...where the American Southwest either tries to become its own nation, allied closely with Mexico, or if they simply become a part of Mexico. It would make the first Civil War look like a schoolyard fight between two kids fighting with only their fists. I hope that it doesn't happen.

If our laws were consistently enforced, then we wouldn't have this sort of talk (of secession or a possible civil war.)

Ostrich

I have thought about that a lot and personally it seems like the only answer, short of a bloody revolution. Maybe a third party if it could ever get off the ground. Not sure why all of these separatist and grassroots-type groups can't or won't get together to try to make a third party viable. The grassroots groups need to abandon the Republican party. They are traitors who bow to their corporate masters and nobody else matters.

If our laws were consistently enforced, then we wouldn't have this sort of talk (of secession or a possible civil war.)

Yes, but that will Not happen...plain and simple.

Republic of Texas

Is this legal?

The question that should be asked is whether it is lawful, and right. Actions and thoughts can be, and have been, outlawed throughout the world. However, something that is lawful and right under the auspices of the natural and Common Law can never be wrong.

The efforts to restore Texas' independence are rooted in natural law and history. The citizens of Texas have pledged neutrality and non-aggression in attempting to restore the natural order. Even in light of these facts, the occupational government of the united States may outlaw, interfere with, harrass, all attempts by the people to reestablish Texas to its rightful place and take aggressive action, as it has in dealing with its corporate citizens and with other sovereign nations.

Again is it legal? The answer is a resounding YES IT IS! Not only is it legal it is our guaranteed and protected right under the 1836 and under today's state constitution at Article 1 Section 2, which states: "All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient."

I think secessionist movement is a peaceful alternative to the crisis of our civilization. I think it is laughable to believe all those cultures residing in our countries could live together for a long time.

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Another alternative has been also mentioned to this thread: civil war.

The future will be probably a wild mixture of both scenarios .

Originally Posted by stillfree

Yes, but that will Not happen...plain and simple.

Republic of Texas

Is this legal?

The question that should be asked is whether it is lawful, and right. Actions and thoughts can be, and have been, outlawed throughout the world. However, something that is lawful and right under the auspices of the natural and Common Law can never be wrong.

The efforts to restore Texas' independence are rooted in natural law and history. The citizens of Texas have pledged neutrality and non-aggression in attempting to restore the natural order. Even in light of these facts, the occupational government of the united States may outlaw, interfere with, harrass, all attempts by the people to reestablish Texas to its rightful place and take aggressive action, as it has in dealing with its corporate citizens and with other sovereign nations.

Again is it legal? The answer is a resounding YES IT IS! Not only is it legal it is our guaranteed and protected right under the 1836 and under today's state constitution at Article 1 Section 2, which states: "All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient."

I support Texas' right to secede. If they secede I'll join 'em, if they'll let me!

Maybe they should see what happns when the nations divide .

Israel is a good example of giving away part of the nation , look how well it worked for them !

Also we will all be in a few places and easy to find if it gets realy bad and they don't like our loss of revenue [ federal taxes].

United We Stand or Divided We Fall . We have aleady ran enough . Ran from Califonia ,Florida ,Texas and many major cities in the nation . If we can't save America the United States ,we can't save part of the United States .

Originally Posted by Sam-I-am

Originally Posted by stillfree

Yes, but that will Not happen...plain and simple.

Republic of Texas

Is this legal?

The question that should be asked is whether it is lawful, and right. Actions and thoughts can be, and have been, outlawed throughout the world. However, something that is lawful and right under the auspices of the natural and Common Law can never be wrong.

The efforts to restore Texas' independence are rooted in natural law and history. The citizens of Texas have pledged neutrality and non-aggression in attempting to restore the natural order. Even in light of these facts, the occupational government of the united States may outlaw, interfere with, harrass, all attempts by the people to reestablish Texas to its rightful place and take aggressive action, as it has in dealing with its corporate citizens and with other sovereign nations.

Again is it legal? The answer is a resounding YES IT IS! Not only is it legal it is our guaranteed and protected right under the 1836 and under today's state constitution at Article 1 Section 2, which states: "All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient."

I support Texas' right to secede. If they secede I'll join 'em, if they'll let me!

Sounds good to me.

I believe a secession is easier said than done. First off, the Federal Govt. isnt just going to let its states up and leave. Second, I think it would require more than one state bordering one another so that they could continue some sort of trade with one another, because I highly doubt that the Federal Govt. would (try to starve the state into submission). Third, states are use to receiving federal dollars, they would have to come up with ways to increase revenues without taxing its citizens to death and forcing its citizens to leave to nieghboring federal states. Those are just a few things I can think of. Im all for it though.

Originally Posted by jbird

I believe a secession is easier said than done. First off, the Federal Govt. isnt just going to let its states up and leave. Second, I think it would require more than one state bordering one another so that they could continue some sort of trade with one another, because I highly doubt that the Federal Govt. would (try to starve the state into submission). Third, states are use to receiving federal dollars, they would have to come up with ways to increase revenues without taxing its citizens to death and forcing its citizens to leave to nieghboring federal states. Those are just a few things I can think of. Im all for it though.

When you eliminate the illegal alien parasites you'll be able to save quite a few tax dollars -- and I'm betting even more than just social services. I'm betting law enforcement and incarceration costs will decline too. When you eliminate tax funded latino Special Interest Groups feeding at the public trough that will save you some tax dollars too. Texas and Alaska have PLENTY of OIL, they don't need the rest of the US and they sure as HELL DON'T NEED ILLEGAL ALIEN PARASITES.

Texas was an independent republic before, it's time it was again. The Federal government of the US no longer represents the citizens of the
US.