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07-16-2007, 03:01 PM #71
Why not stop all at the rallies and ask for I.D.? If a crime is suspected (illegal entry into the U.S.), then let the authorities do their job and weed out the criminals. If a few people get their feathers in a ruffle along the way, well so be it then.
We put up with this sort of thing everyday in airports. The TSA doesn't just do a security check on people who appear Middle-Eastern...we ALL are subject to security checks.
I personally would have no problem presenting proof of my right to be in the U.S. if I was ever asked. Since I AM here legally (I'm a U.S. citizen), then why would I CARE???
And so it goes for everybody else. If you are here legally, then you should have nothing to hide and you shouldn't be all up in arms over having to briefly produce a document to prove it. And if it helps authorities to weed out all those who are NOT here illegally, then I say LET'S DO IT!!!Calderon was absolutely right when he said...."Where there is a Mexican, there is Mexico".
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07-16-2007, 03:02 PM #72
Furthermore....
That's the "scapegoat" or "out" that illegals use when it comes to any legislation being passed whereby authorities could check I.D. of anybody at will.
They KNOW they're here illegally, and they don't want to get caught. So they play the whole "racial profiling" card. It's crap and we all know it.Calderon was absolutely right when he said...."Where there is a Mexican, there is Mexico".
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07-16-2007, 03:02 PM #73
LOL.
Originally Posted by Gabrielpor las chupacabras todo, fuero de las chupacabras nada
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07-17-2007, 02:33 AM #74
I suggest in the future that you don't waste my time using talking points on me, especially, ones you don't fully understand.
Originally Posted by Gabriel
I discredited your statement with facts and you claim you were just being hypothetical? Hmmm.
Because I don't want to violate the Constitution, and stomp on rights of anyone in search of every potential illegal does not make me a pro-illegal advocate.
Why don't you just be honest. If illegal aliens are asked for ID or caught with fraudulent ID they are deported! You don't want them to be asked because you know what will happen to them. You want to keep hiding them behind citizens claiming infringement. Spare me.
Garsh, I really need help! My rights were infringed every time I went into the bar and I was asked for my ID. My rights are infringed every time I write a check! My rights are infringed every time a police officer ask me for my ID! Someone please help me!!!!!! I need the ACLU STAT!!!!!
Illegal aliens can't show ID so they get locked up and put in the immigration process. Once again, Patriot Act show ID or go to jail. Show fake ID, go to jail. Ask me for my ID, no problem because I belong here.
That's right Gab, your conflicted because illegals are caught red handed. I don't think a single one has ever won a case by claiming he was accidentally in America. Don't ask, don't show ID, so they don't get deported aint working any more!
Plyler v. Doe says opposite. The court found the state law in violation of the 14th Amendment. If in fact, illegals had no civil rights, there could not be a violation. Hint-hint, look at case law, not just your subjective views of what the Constitution should say according to what you want.
Your just wrong and your digging your self deeper and deeper.
Pryor vs Doe
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/g ... &invol=202
14th Amendment
http://www.nps.gov/archive/malu/documents/amend14.htm
Now don't go over there and get all confused about findings, judgements and opinions.
Illegal aliens are not intitled to the protections of due process. Immigration court is a civil court. Ponder that thought.
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07-17-2007, 12:47 PM #75
Dude, I know the difference between you, your, yours you're... in two languages. Get off it, I was tired. You're just nitpicking because your wrong and I pointed it out.
Did you not read this:"The illegal aliens who are plaintiffs in these cases challenging the statute may claim the benefit of the Equal Protection Clause, which provides that no State shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Whatever his status under the immigration laws, an alien is a "person" in any ordinary sense of that term."
Holding: "A Texas statute which withholds from local school districts any state funds for the education of children who were not "legally admitted" into the United States, and which authorizes local school districts to deny enrollment to such children, violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."
THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE IS A PART OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE COURT HELD THAT BY DENYING FUNDS TO ILLEGAL ALIENS, IT WAS A VIOLATION OF THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE.
If Illegals weren't protected by the Constitution, how could this have happened?
It's ok, if this is too difficult to comprehend, ask someone you like to explain. Obviously you don't read very well, but I noticed that when you used the wrong "your." The word "you're" is equivalent to "you are." The word "your" is possessive, as in something belongs to you. Before you start demanding others learn another language, how about you master yours, or at least everything before the fourth grade.
You claimed:
Originally Posted by Gabbie
Originally Posted by Gabe
No where, no how and no way did Plyler v. Doe give illegal aliens civil rights. No where! It did say, that no State can bar an illegal alien an education because of the wording under the Equal Protection Clause. Try using that Equal Protection Clause in a Federal Case and the illegal aliens will be smacked down so hard. The 14th amendment regulates the States and does not grant any rights to an individual.
Do you know that the words "civil rights" are not even in the 14th amendment? Yet you claimed it grants aliens civil rights.
Really, Gabe I should let you talk to a man that was there fighting against this back then. I know him personally and he's a Mexican American and his father was born in Mexico and they fought hard against Doe. I believe it's a judge named Wilson out of Houston State Fed Court carried this decision. I do not believe it has met a US Supreme Court Challenge.
Geee! Got to go!
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07-22-2007, 01:18 AM #76
Wow! I'm late to the party as usual but, "You Go Dixie!"
For someone as seemingly intellectual as Gabriel appears to be, he sure is clueless when it comes to the difference between right and wrong!
I was copying and ready to paste with a rebuttal after page 2 but Dixie, you just didn't leave me much to say! Not only did you send him back to school, you packed him a lunch and ate it for him too!
Besides, common sense would tell you that people are not deported with hearing (aka Due Process). Due process is a fundamental right under the Constitution. If the rights did not apply to illegals, they would be deported without due process.
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