Thread: Should Trump Run?

pattyk wrote:


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Newmexican wrote:
[quote6r3vgr2]I think our country has evolved into a business entity. Who would be better to run it? Someone that has a proven track record of running a business empire or some academic that wants to try out their theories?

I am weary of all of the recycled Republicans.

He has a proven track record of bankrupty is what he has. Maybe you are liking him because he seems like such a good business man on The Apprentice. It IS his show, and he is not gonna make himself look stupid now is he? [/quote6r3vgr2]

I don't follow the Apprentice or American Idol or Charilie Sheen or Paris Hilton or any of the rest of the Hollywood drivel.

Someone with business sense needs to be at the helm, not another wildeyed acedemic or career politician that already has a stable of lobbyists.

The Donald may not be right, but I am hoping that someone with a little sense steps up.

Originally Posted by Newmexican

pattyk wrote:


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Newmexican wrote:
[quote:etznboyz]I think our country has evolved into a business entity. Who would be better to run it? Someone that has a proven track record of running a business empire or some academic that wants to try out their theories?

I am weary of all of the recycled Republicans.

He has a proven track record of bankrupty is what he has. Maybe you are liking him because he seems like such a good business man on The Apprentice. It IS his show, and he is not gonna make himself look stupid now is he?

I don't follow the Apprentice or American Idol or Charilie Sheen or Paris Hilton or any of the rest of the Hollywood drivel.

Someone with business sense needs to be at the helm, not another wildeyed acedemic or career politician that already has a stable of lobbyists.

The Donald may not be right, but I am hoping that someone with a little sense steps up.[/quote:etznboyz]

Looks like we ned to keep searching then.

I do not follow celebs either and I probably could not point them out to you. People get too wrapped up in them. What really gets me is when one gets some disease or has a marital problem. A huge case is made over it,while millions of Americans and others around the world die of those same diseases or have marital issues and drug addiction. But I guess they are better then the rest of us.

Donald Trump Positive Rating Higher Than That Of Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty

WASHINGTON -- The predominant theme of the Republican presidential primary has been, so far, that there is no primary at all. Only a few individuals have formally declared their candidacies. They aren't considered to be serious contenders. This past week, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich unveiled a website announcing an exploratory phase to consider a presidential run. He was widely ridiculed for tepid toe dipping.

So what gives? Depending on whom you ask you get various explanations. On Sunday morning, Fox News correspondent Juan Williams suggested that each prospective candidate was fearful of the type of political machinery that President Obama would assemble for his reelection campaign. The thesis was met with howls, but former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee has said much the same, in explaining why he hasn’t announced yet.

The landscape, at least currently, isn’t favorably disposed toward the Republican field and no one seems eager or poised to emerge from the larger pack. Underscoring the latter point, a Democratic source passed over this screen grab from Sunday’s edition of "State of the Union" on CNN, highlighting a little noticed nugget from the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.
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Among major Republican figures polled, real estate magnate and reality TV show king Donald Trump had the highest “positiveâ€

Let's throw another one into the pot. Rep. Michele Bachman said this morning on Meet the Press that she hasn't made a decision yet whether to run. So that tells me she is considering it.

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Let's throw another one into the pot. Rep. Michele Bachman said this morning on Meet the Press that she hasn't made a decision yet whether to run. So that tells me she is considering it.

"She said a couple of weeks ago to Greta that if no one else steps up she would!" And a lot of them say that! Palin, Suckabee, etc..

stevetheroofer wrote:

Donald Trump Positive Rating Higher Than That Of Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty

I think that's mainly because of his celebrity status. IMO, when folks find out who the real Donald Trump is, they'll reconsider.

he may be better than the other clowns out there!

Unfortunately most of us don't trust anyone out there. I am thinking I would support Trump. He is NOT a career politician, he knows business and we need a business leader for our Country. He tells it like it is - He doesn't seem to back talk. And he doesn't seem to fall for stupidity!!

I am not saying he is the leader we need but right now but our field of candidates is not looking too strong. If the economy rebounds and obama does one good thing, he can make a strong comeback and fool his sheeples all over again and get voted back in.

We need someone with a strong presence to run for president. Right now I would put Trump over anyone else b/c he knows how to run a business - he could possibly straighten this Country up!!

I like the fact that he's not a politician... I've been listening to what Trump has been saying the last couple of months and I agree with him on most things... I think I would vote for him.

If the republicans make a mistake this time and Obama get's another term, this country is done for sure... All Obama needs to do is select a couple more Supreme Court judges and that would for sure do us in.

Did you guys and gals even read the following? If not, please read it very carefully. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Mickey

Originally Posted by WhatMattersMost

Originally Posted by Newmexican

I think our country has evolved into a business entity. Who would be better to run it? Someone that has a proven track record of running a business empire or some academic that wants to try out their theories?

I am weary of all of the recycled Republicans.

I am so on the same page with all that you stated. Trump has gotten himself and his corporate entities out of two bankruptcies and turned around failing businesses.

What?

How Many Times Has Donald Trump Filed For Bankruptcy?
By: Jennifer Mackin

Break Studios Contributing Writer

For legendary tycoons, Donald Trump tops the list, but how many times has Donald Trump filed for bankruptcy? The 90’s recession wasn’t picky about who it affected. Donald Trump felt the pinch as well. His decision to use high interest bonds to finance the assembly of the Taj Mahal casino caused life to get very stressful for the tycoon.

In 1991, unable to pay a $3.5 billion loan, he declared business bankruptcy. He also came close to filing personal ruin. At the time, his personal debt was estimated to be around $900 million. Due to the bankruptcy, banks and bondholders lost millions. They came to a compromise with Donald Trump. The banks gave him lower interest rates and a longer time frame to repay the debt and Donald Trump gave the investors half the ownership of the Taj Mahal. In mere months the casino was back in business.

Not even a year later, Trump Plaza Hotel folded and Donald had to declare bankruptcy. Again, he worked out a deal where he’d give up 49 percent of the hotel to Citibank and the other lenders and he’d get more time to pay the loan back. It took him two years to repay most of his debt with many sacrifices. He had to give up the Trump Shuttle.

The bankruptcy saga didn’t stop there. In 2004, Donald filed for bankruptcy protection and restructured his debt. He reduced his ownership of Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts to 27 percent and gave bondholders stocks to help lower his debt and then stepped down as CEO. In 2005, things settled down and Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts came out of bankruptcy with a new name, Trump Entertainment Resort Holdings.

Unfortunately the reemergence didn’t last long. On February 17th 2009, Donald Trump filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy with a debt ratio of $50 million in assets to his $500 million in debt. This filing made the third bankruptcy for Trump Enterprises.
Posted on: Apr. 23, 2010

http://www.mademan.com/mm/how-many-time ... uptcy.html

I certainly don't won't someone like Donald Trump managing my tax dollars.


Please read this carefully:

[quote:21blelv8]Is Trump 'flip-flopping' or evolving?By Shannon Travis, CNN
February 17, 2011 7:36 a.m. EST

Donald Trump spoke at the Conservative Political Action conference in Washington on February 10.STORY HIGHLIGHTS
There is speculation that Donald Trump may consider a White House run
But Trump's party allegiance, and likely his political principles, could come in to question

Report: Trump went from Republican to Independent to Democrat and back to Republican

Washington (CNN) -- If the Republican Party's nominating process were like Donald Trump's TV show "The Apprentice," could he avoid hearing the words "You're fired"?

"The Donald," as the host of the NBC show, holds competitors to high standards. Consistency is encouraged as well as sticking with one's decisions. But can the would-be Republican presidential candidate meet his own test -- and will conservatives hire him?

In a recent interview, Trump declared that he believes "strongly in just about all conservative principles," is "pro-life" and against gay marriage. He has attacked President Obama's health care law and said that the United States has become the "laughingstock" of the world.

This is the same Donald Trump who has changed party affiliation from Republican to Independent to Democrat and back to Republican, according to a report.

Trump has said in interviews with CNN that he identifies more with Democrats than Republicans; that the party handles the economy better than Republicans; that President George W. Bush was "probably the worst president in the history of the United States"; and suggested that Bush should have been impeached for what Trump called "lies" over a "horrendous mistake": the Iraq war.

In 1999, while flirting with running for president under Ross Perot's Reform Party, Trump told the New York Daily News that he supported abortion rights and universal health care.

Trump and his representatives at the Trump Organization did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment.

"I'm a very conservative person. I'm very big into the military. I'm a great guy for defense," Trump told Greta Van Susteren of Fox News. "I am probably as conservative as anybody on your show, and that's going a pretty strong step."

He added: "I'm a very conservative Republican. I believe strongly in just about all conservative principles."

Those comments come on the heels of Trump's appearance last week at the Conservative Political Action Conference, the high-profile gathering that traditionally serves as an early proving ground for GOP presidential hopefuls.

But Trump's party allegiance, and likely his political principles, could come in to question should he announce a presidential bid.

"I am going to form a presidential exploratory committee," he told CNN's Larry King when he was considering a 1999 run. "And if I felt I couldn't win, I wouldn't run. .... I'm not looking to get more votes than any other independent candidate in history, I'd want to win."

A Daily News report from Monday said that Trump registered with the Independence Party in October 1999, switching from the GOP. The paper cites New York City Board of Elections records.

Trump ultimately never ran for president under the party. And his party ties appear to have changed more since then.

The paper also reported that he became a Democrat in August 2001, according to election records. And in 2004, the real estate mogul praised some Democratic efforts.

In March of that year, CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked whether he identified more as a Democrat or as a Republican.

"Well, you'd be shocked if I said that in many cases I probably identify more as a Democrat," Trump said. "And it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. But certainly, we had some good economies under Democrats as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans. Including a thing called the Depression."

In a March 2007 interview with Blitzer, regarding Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards -- who'd lost the presidential race less than three years prior -- Trump said, "That was a shame that that race was lost." He added this about Kerry: "I'm so upset that he blew it."

It was then that Trump unleashed a harsh criticism of Bush.

"Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States." Trump cited the war in Iraq, calling it a "total disaster" and added later: "Look, everything in Washington has been a lie. Weapons of mass destruction -- it was a total lie. It was a way of attacking Iraq."

In the same interview, Trump was again asked if he felt more aligned with Democrats or Republicans.

"I'm very much independent in that way. I go for the person, not necessarily the party. I mean, I vote for Republicans and I vote for Democrats," he said.

Months later, just more than a year before the 2008 presidential election, Trump again talked with CNN. He reiterated his belief that Bush was the worst president in U.S. history and claimed that he would be politically toxic to the eventual GOP presidential nominee.

"I think President Bush has to go into a corner and hide, if a Republican is going to get elected," Trump said. "There is no way he's an asset. He's a huge liability."

Mere weeks before the election, Trump amped up his criticism.

In October 2008, while praising House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as "impressive," Trump said he'd initially thought she would go after Bush. "It just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Bush "lied," Trump claimed. "He got us into the war with lies."

That sensational claim has been repeatedly denied by Bush administration officials. A central argument by his administration was that faulty intelligence contributed to the decisions in the run-up to the Iraq war.

To be sure, Trump has taken stances that many Republicans favor: In addition to criticizing Obama at CPAC and questioning the president's re-election chances, Trump supported John McCain in the 2008 presidential race. In an interview with Blitzer in September, Trump said: "I have friends that weren't involved in the health care battle that are now calling me and, in one case, he said his health care bill ... is going to be over $100 million higher than last year."

In the same interview, Trump praised the Tea Party movement as "powerful," decried high income taxes for the wealthy as potential threats to U.S. jobs and blasted what he called the U.S. "spending like drunken sailors."

And yet, Trump also repeated his support for a major issue that's anathema to many Tea Party activists and other conservatives: the bank bailout.

"You had to do something to shore up the banks, because ... you would have had a run on every bank," Trump said.

He said he acknowledged some conservatives' view that ailing banks should have been allowed to fail: " 'If they go out of business, everybody would, that's fine.' "

Previously, in a December 2008 CNN interview, Trump also expressed praise for the auto bailout.

In its Tuesday article, the Daily News quotes Trump as saying this about his changing political affiliation: "I wanted to decide which party best suited my philosophy."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/17/ ... ndex.html#

Here's what I'd like to draw attention to:

- Trump has changed his party affiliation on four separate ocassions. In other words, he's wishy-washy and going with whatever party he thinks can earn him the most money.

- Trump has said he identifies more with Democrats rather than Republicans, however, he has been quoted as saying, "I'm a very conservative Republican. I believe strongly in just about all conservative principles." Which is it?

- In a recent interview, Trump declared that he believes "strongly in just about all conservative principles," is "pro-life" and against gay marriage. He has attacked President Obama's health care law. However, in 1999 he supported abortion and national health care.

- In 2007 Trump voiced his displeasure that John Kerry lost his race for president. He said, "That was a shame that that race was lost." He added this about Kerry: "I'm so upset that he blew it." Of course Kerry supported government funded abortions, gay marriage, and national health care.

- Trumph thinks Sen. Pelosi is "impressive."

- Trump supported the bank and auto industry bailouts.

- Trump supported Sen. McCain for president.

Donald Trump is a wishy-washy flip flopper and I wouldn't trust him no further than I could throw a two ton boulder! The man is going to tell you what he thinks you want to hear because he has an agenda. I'm not even sure he has any core values. The only thing that is consistent with him is the green he wants to park in his bank account.[/quote:21blelv8]

Donald Trump is about Donald Trump. He is far from presidential material. Please, let's look for someone else.