Thread: So let me get this straight about you all

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Originally Posted by flashman

Immigration seems to be the #1 priority for most of you on this board so much that you would be willing to vote for ANYONE, and I mean anyone, including Hillary Clinton if they were every to tell you up front that, "If you vote for me I'll close the border and deport all illegal aliens. PERIOD." I'm speaking hypothetically here. Suppose Hillary's past records showed that she was tough on illegals in NYC and that she ordered the deportation of lots of them. You would vote for her no matter how liberal she was on everything else.

You would ignore the fact that Hillary, or any Democrat for that matter, is a liberal, that she supports abortion, that she was the wife of Clinton, that you simply despise her, that she wants free Medicare for all, etc and would be willing to vote for her if she were the only one out of all the candidates (Dem and Rep) to satisfy your immigration wants huh? Basically sacrifice all your other Conservative beliefs just so that you could once and for all get rid of all these people. That's how far you're all willing to go it seems. You're that passionate about this issue.

Basically, my question is this. If Hillary were, and I'm speaking hypothetically obviously, the only candidate that could actually get the job done in terms of illegal immigration and satisfy you, you would not hesitate in voting for her. I want to see how much of a priority illegal immigration if for you all that you're willing to vote against your party.

Either I am missing the point or everyone here is. The OP was being hypothetical.. meaning EVEN IF a democrate, like Hillary, talks tough - would we all buy into it. He could have said ANYBODY. He was, imho, making a point that anybody can promise anything about illegal immigration and we consdier them... EVEN when they don't have a history.

I agree with you. NOBODY would even touch Romeny a few months ago, BUT once he talks tough and Tancredo endorsed him... he is the man for illegal immigration. I agree with you. Weird to me.

Originally Posted by BrightNail

Originally Posted by flashman

Immigration seems to be the #1 priority for most of you on this board so much that you would be willing to vote for ANYONE, and I mean anyone, including Hillary Clinton if they were every to tell you up front that, "If you vote for me I'll close the border and deport all illegal aliens. PERIOD." I'm speaking hypothetically here. Suppose Hillary's past records showed that she was tough on illegals in NYC and that she ordered the deportation of lots of them. You would vote for her no matter how liberal she was on everything else.

You would ignore the fact that Hillary, or any Democrat for that matter, is a liberal, that she supports abortion, that she was the wife of Clinton, that you simply despise her, that she wants free Medicare for all, etc and would be willing to vote for her if she were the only one out of all the candidates (Dem and Rep) to satisfy your immigration wants huh? Basically sacrifice all your other Conservative beliefs just so that you could once and for all get rid of all these people. That's how far you're all willing to go it seems. You're that passionate about this issue.

Basically, my question is this. If Hillary were, and I'm speaking hypothetically obviously, the only candidate that could actually get the job done in terms of illegal immigration and satisfy you, you would not hesitate in voting for her. I want to see how much of a priority illegal immigration if for you all that you're willing to vote against your party.

I agree with you. NOBODY would even touch Romeny a few months ago, BUT once he talks tough and Tancredo endorsed him... he is the man for illegal immigration. I agree with you. Weird to me.

I think that it is weird that Ron Paul voted against all measures to protect US workers' jobs and also has NO plans for going after employers or holding them accountable!!!

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by PhredE

Flashman:

I think there are some of us here, that in theory at least don't have any built-in exclusion about voting for a Dem - should one worth voting for appear on the larger political horizon.

Re: Hillary - well, her record speaks for itself:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/tes ... &VIPID=896

She's only one small step from a total disaster as far as immigration policy is concerned.

The one Dem that is trustworthy (fellow ALIPAC members/posters, I said 'trustworthy' not 'perfect'!) IMHO is Byron Dorgan of ND. He has a reasonably good record of supporting Americans, their standard of living, protecting jobs, etc.

Plus, one factor the Dems are curiously and quickly forgetting, is because of their 'stand back and stay mum on the issue' approach they are loosing party members. Many folks are totally fed up with their nonsense and running to become Independent (officially or not). But, rest assured, you're talking to a [proud] dis-enfranchised Democrat and not at all afraid to admit it.

Welcome aboard.

Jim Webb of Virginia isn't as bad as the others!!

Out of their presidential candidates----except for the issues regarding illegals-----Edwards and Biden seem to be the best of the bunch.

There are more Dem senators that want to screw US citizens than state Reps.

I used to think Biden was okay in terms of experience and general ethics, until I saw him spinning on YouTube.

In one video he seems pretty reasonable. In another, he seems to conflict with himself.

I think these are the two videos I watched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15djRzWG3_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAU1AIcSrtI

Originally Posted by usanevada

Originally Posted by Americanpatriot

Originally Posted by flashman

Again, I'm speaking hypothetically.

IF, and I mean, IF, Hillary were to show the credibility and you could see that her records showed that she was indeed tough on illegals in New York City, YOU, a hardcore Conservative would vote for her no matter how liberal she was on everything else just because she was the only would that would be tough on illegal immigration.

Wrong. On everything

Your not getting it even a little bit

Dem / Repub / conservative or lib

It doesn't matter , if someone with a credible record was running
that said no amnesty and stop illegal immigration

they would be in the running

I think I get it - Big Time!

I've watched Hilery vote in the Senate and virtually everytime, she votes against the American citizens. Hilery would destroy the United States middle class as well as procede to implement the NAU.

I am not a hardcore Conservative; I am a Hardcore Independent. The only Democrat I would consider voting for is Byron Dorgan. From what I've seen in the last few years, All the Democrats are much worse than the Republicans on securing the border or United States Sovernenty and security. The Democrats are Socialist and like regulation and taxes making them an obsolete party imo.

I like Ron Paul - he is for: Saving United States National Sovereignty
Securing The United States Constitution


Ultimately - the hypothitcal question is a bullship question.

"I agree with you. NOBODY would even touch Romeny a few months ago, BUT once he talks tough and Tancredo endorsed him... he is the man for illegal immigration. I agree with you. Weird to me."


Your wrong on this

Sheriff Joe Arpiao did endorse Romney months ago

And I thought he was nuts for doing it at the time
At that time I wanted Tom Tancredo as bad as some people
want Ron Paul

You would ignore the fact that Hillary, or any Democrat for that matter, is a liberal, that she supports abortion, that she was the wife of Clinton, that you simply despise her, that she wants free Medicare for all, etc and would be willing to vote for her if she were the only one out of all the candidates (Dem and Rep) to satisfy your immigration wants huh?

Who said anything about Hillary? Nobody I know even talks about her. Since you think you know how us people are, what do you think of illegal immigration?

Originally Posted by flashman

Immigration seems to be the #1 priority for most of you on this board so much that you would be willing to vote for ANYONE, and I mean anyone, including Hillary Clinton if they were every to tell you up front that, "If you vote for me I'll close the border and deport all illegal aliens. PERIOD." I'm speaking hypothetically here. Suppose Hillary's past records showed that she was tough on illegals in NYC and that she ordered the deportation of lots of them. You would vote for her no matter how liberal she was on everything else.

You would ignore the fact that Hillary, or any Democrat for that matter, is a liberal, that she supports abortion, that she was the wife of Clinton, that you simply despise her, that she wants free Medicare for all, etc and would be willing to vote for her if she were the only one out of all the candidates (Dem and Rep) to satisfy your immigration wants huh? Basically sacrifice all your other Conservative beliefs just so that you could once and for all get rid of all these people. That's how far you're all willing to go it seems. You're that passionate about this issue.

Basically, my question is this. If Hillary were, and I'm speaking hypothetically obviously, the only candidate that could actually get the job done in terms of illegal immigration and satisfy you, you would not hesitate in voting for her. I want to see how much of a priority illegal immigration if for you all that you're willing to vote against your party.

"You all" on here at ALIPAC come from many different walks of life, rich, poor, single, married, young, old, and everything in between. We represent 80+ % of the American citizens on this, and several other, issues. I would never vote for Hellary, ever, despite a hypothetical situation you describe wherein she had a good record on enforcing the law. The reason is because I believe that the President should be a man, if for no other reason than leaders of other nations won't take a woman seriously, nor would they be willing to treaty or bargain with a woman. (I have other reasons, but that's the biggest one!)

I would also like to let you know that while illegal alien criminals are our #1 concern, we are not all one-sighted. We know there is a war going on in Iraq -- some of us think it needs to be done, some think it needs to end immediately. This is also an extremely important topic for us, but this forum is "Americans for Legal IMMIGRATION." Many of us also belong to other groups and we also post on other forums that deal with relevant issues besides immigration.

I hope this clears up your confusion and misguided preconceptions. Happy New year, and don't forget to vote!

Is flashman a Hilary supporter? Are they now infiltrating blogs? That's kind of desperate. Not too dumb, but quite desperate.

I don't know where you guys get these ideas. Let me restate my hypothetical again. R-E-A-D C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L-Y. Got it?

If Hillary Clinton, and I mean IF, in some bizarre parallel Universe she was indeed very tough on illegal immigration (tougher than Tancredo), but liberal on everything else including taxes, abortion, health care, etc. Would you people, the anti-illegal immigrant crowd, the crowd that only seems to care about one issue, illegal immigration, vote for her despite her liberal stance on everything else? Very simple question people.

I want to see how far you're all willing to go. If a Democrat today campaigned against illegal immigration maybe you guys would give them your vote.