Thread: We must find a way to make peace between two groups....

Originally Posted by anamarie

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One thing we won't have to guess on ,if Obama's gone so will Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder!!!

Good point!

I have been surprised this past week at the amount of my friends that have disagreed with me on politics, that are now approaching me and wanting to express their feelings. I have a lot of left leaning friends that voted for Obama. They are not happy and claim Obama has become a dictator. They don't particularly like Romney but believe he won't destroy America like Obama is.

Maybe this fear I find in my left leaning friends is because we are all Californians. We have seen and are feeling what happens when you have lost all voice in your government.

What gives me hope is the amount of people on the Internet and those around me who are fed up with both Democrats and Republicans. Like the poster before me, I have encountered many young people (my generation) who blindly voted for Obama, but given the chance would vote for Ron Paul no question about it. And then there are the Conservative young adults who are simply disappointed with the party as a whole and not excited with their candidate and can't decide whether to even vote this time around. There's a once in a lifetime opportunity here where both sides are vulnerable and a third party candidate that can appeal to the disillusioned from both sides can really make a difference this time around. The people are sick and tired of the government and those with the money manipulating our politics.

Well, W, I'm definitely a "B"-I don't like either Romney or Obama...and the new third party (Libertarian) candidate Gary Johnson sounds no better...he says he wants no border fence and has a "come one, come all" attitude-and it doesn't matter whether or not they are illegal in his book.

I personally feel that a President who is against illegal immigration but also supports things done by corporations that lead America toward another Great Depression (such as outsourcing our jobs, driving down our wages and laying off everybody) is capable of destroying the country equally, since in a Depression the nation is not safe from being taken over by China or other countries. I try to get both my "red" and "blue" friends to think outside the box and not just blindly accept what they are told, to check Snopes.com (a rumour control website that is nonpartisan and covers everything from politics to celebrities' lives) to see if an email they receive is truth or not, for example. I feel if someone is Republican or Democrat they should check to see if they really are Independent (if they don't support their party's total objectives)...if so, they should be independent swing voters and only carry a D or R card to vote in primaries. For example, I am pro-life but also pro-environment-yet it would seem my being limited to voting either Repub. or Dem., I've got to choose between the two....why can't there be numerous parties of varying political objectives? Doing this (being Independent) lessens the power of both major parties to polarize Americans, plus it lessens their ability to limit our choices based on the issues and having to choose "the lesser of the two evils", ultimately choosing the same old same old, regardless if the new President is Democrat or Republican, black or white, male or female.

I also focus on what we have in common as a nation, and what I have in common with individuals. For example...I am pro-environment, Protestant, and independent politically, yet I have a friend who works for Big Oil, Roman Catholic and Republican. I appeal to what we have in common as believers in Christ, the political values that we do have in common (including being against amnesty for illegals) and I've told him that I support training every person working in Big Oil to get "green" technology, so that noone loses their jobs yet the environment is saved from pollution-a win-win solution for all. He may disagree with me but we're not loathing each other and at each other's throats the way some of us are. We need to stress that if our nation and country go under, all the other issues that divide us, such as abortion, gay marriage, etc., etc. will all be meaningless in the end if we have no country/nation to begin with.

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

the group of Americans that urgently and rightfully want Dictator Barack Obama out of office and are either A. Supporting Romney or B. Supporting neither because they feel that either one may lead America further astray.

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These two groups Ive described in group A. and B. are both fighters for America, but surely we can develop some kind of understanding between groups and a gentlman's and gentlewoman's agreement on the issue on how to conduct ourselves with fellow patriots with which we have a difference of opinion.

How do you feel about this suggestion?

W

Where is the problem exactly? Is there a problem with conduct between these two groups? Could you give an example?

If people want to support Romney, that's fine, even though I am reluctant to do so. At this point I am supporting neither, but this is not carved in stone, I could change my mind. We still have a long way to go until November, and Romney may yet give good cause for supporting him. What I would like to see happen is for Romney to win without me having voted for him and this may happen. This would be the best possible thing to happen, that Romney would win, but with most of the registered voter turning out, like I do so often, to vote "none of the above".

We saw something similar to this when McCain was running against Obama. I recall that I was absolutely hostile to McCain's candidacy. If I were to hope for conduct between A and B, it would be that nobody who refuses to support Romney be condemned as supporting Obama and also it not be advanced that voting for Romney was the only natural thing to do. As far as not inciting against Romney's candidacy, that's not going to happen, I'm sure. Romney isn't anything like the loathsome little rat that McCain is.

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

the group of Americans that urgently and rightfully want Dictator Barack Obama out of office and are either A. Supporting Romney or B. Supporting neither because they feel that either one may lead America further astray.

Can you really blame anyone that feels as those in category B do if you have been reading much of what Mitt Romney has said lately?

Or better yet, how about all you people that voted for Bush like I did in 2000? I'm just glad that disaster did not get my vote twice. I voted Constitution Party as write in back in 2006! And in the end I feel better than all of my friends that had to push a button twice for the King Bush!

A lot of us Americans know the horror of having hope that the next candidate is actually going to help America and then watch step by step as those hopes and expectations are brutally crushed by powerful men and women that either could care less about this country or are to intentionally instigate what I call "The Controlled Demolition of America."

Mitt Romney, you want to give millions of illegal aliens citizenship by putting them trough training in the military or US National guard so your illegal alien servants can have full 1st world military training? It's hard not to be rude when I respond to that nonsense.

The Mitt Romney and Obama Psychophants are beyond reach, but perhaps some of the rest of us can agree that we understand people who want to play the "Mitt Romney might save us" game and those that have played that game so many times that they are fed up and done with it.

The truth is that America's entire political system is in a state of collapse due to the heavy pressure or oppression at the top and lie after lie coming from the forked snake tongues of Republicrats.

These two groups Ive described in group A. and B. are both fighters for America, but surely we can develop some kind of understanding between groups and a gentlman's and gentlewoman's agreement on the issue on how to conduct ourselves with fellow patriots with which we have a difference of opinion.

How do you feel about this suggestion?

W

I can certainly understand and respect your position even though I strongly disagree with it. Obama is a complete disaster. Four more years of Obama and our borders will be permanently ripped open. Romney at least gives us a shred of hope. Thats our only choice at this point.

Bush was a complete disaster, then Obama was a complete disaster, now America is a complete disaster.

I understand and respect the rush to cling on to Mitt Romney in the hopes he will be a life preserver for America, however I think it is prudent that we go ahead and fully prepare ourselves for the very real possibility that Mitt Romney is the latest successor for a Global aristocracy that now rules the United States leading us into one disastrous Presidency after another.

Disastrous for American citizens like us, beneficial for Global corporations, Mexicans, China, Saudi Arabia, and those that hate Americans.

Yes, Obama the dictator must be punished with removal from office.

But Mitt Romney's plan to put millions of illegal aliens through the US Military and give them full voting and citizenship rights along with their training in advanced military tactics and weapons training will also prove disastrous for America and appears to be consistent with the big plan illegal immigration plays in the plan to demolish America.

We can support Romney over Obama while speaking the truth about his positions right?

W

W

I think the best strategy is to ignore the presidential election as a hope for confronting illegal immigration. We should plan for a new president assuming they are not going to do anything about it and continue our focus on what we are doing now and will continue to do to drive out illegal immigrants without compromise or surrender. We should not pause anticipating what is going to happen in November. By waiting for these events, like the Supreme Court decision, we can be manipulated to slow down struggles in the states and local communities against illegal immigrants. Instead, the momentum we generate should be great enough to render impotent anything the Obamination hopes to accomplish if he wins a second term and great enough to intimidate Romney into falling into line if he wins a first.

We should be ready for anything and working now without pause or distraction for throwing out illegal immigrants now, not when some ideal setting has been accomplished. Every day, every week, every month we are not laboring to do this is time wasted.

Originally Posted by pkskyali

I think the best strategy is to ignore the presidential election as a hope for confronting illegal immigration. We should plan for a new president assuming they are not going to do anything about it and continue our focus on what we are doing now and will continue to do to drive out illegal immigrants without compromise or surrender. We should not pause anticipating what is going to happen in November. By waiting for these events, like the Supreme Court decision, we can be manipulated to slow down struggles in the states and local communities against illegal immigrants. Instead, the momentum we generate should be great enough to render impotent anything the Obamination hopes to accomplish if he wins a second term and great enough to intimidate Romney into falling into line if he wins a first.

We should be ready for anything and working now without pause or distraction for throwing out illegal immigrants now, not when some ideal setting has been accomplished. Every day, every week, every month we are not laboring to do this is time wasted.

If that's the best we can hope for then we're already doomed. The future looks incredibly bleak if all we're doing is playing defense president after president. We do a good job of lobbying Congress to stop amnesty, but when are we going to get on the offense and actually get laws passed at the federal level? Obama and Romney sure as hell will never take the initiative to propose strict anti illegal laws, much less will a divided Congress pass it. What we need is a President that will take initiative and we're not going to get that from either of these two. So what? We have to wait another 4 years and hope the American public wakes up and picks the right guy? And then if that doesn't work, another 4 years? It's like a never ending cycle.

Originally Posted by googler

If that's the best we can hope for then we're already doomed. The future looks incredibly bleak if all we're doing is playing defense president after president. We do a good job of lobbying Congress to stop amnesty, but when are we going to get on the offense and actually get laws passed at the federal level? Obama and Romney sure as hell will never take the initiative to propose strict anti illegal laws, much less will a divided Congress pass it. What we need is a President that will take initiative and we're not going to get that from either of these two. So what? We have to wait another 4 years and hope the American public wakes up and picks the right guy? And then if that doesn't work, another 4 years? It's like a never ending cycle.

I think you've completely missed my point and furthermore to that, it is another waste of time complaining about the obvious without sweating for solutions. I would suggest less time with the prognosis and more time for solutions. Which is again my point. Waiting around for a good president is wasting time and resources and might even be surrendering to a strategy posed by the opposition. The presidency is not all there is to making things work here in the US.