Thread: What Republican will sell us out next?

No surprise there. "Conservatism" has always been about driving down the American standard of living and promoting the interests of the ultra rich at the expense of the average citizen. It's amazing that so many suckers have been fooled for so long by these con-artists. The GOP, the party of the robber barons, learned long ago to how to dress up their big business agenda in the clothes of populism. They rode the wave of reaction to the liberalism of the sixties into power, and having entrenched themselves, now shit on the rest of the country, the unwashed masses who exist to cut their grass and fight their wars, from their Beltway perches while traversing the east coast cocktail party circuit.

Originally Posted by Draconis

No surprise there. "Conservatism" has always been about driving down the American standard of living and promoting the interests of the ultra rich at the expense of the average citizen. It's amazing that so many suckers have been fooled for so long by these con-artists. The GOP, the party of the robber barons, learned long ago to how to dress up their big business agenda in the clothes of populism. They rode the wave of reaction to the liberalism of the sixties into power, and having entrenched themselves, now V****V on the rest of the country, the unwashed masses who exist to cut their grass and fight their wars, from their Beltway perches while traversing the east coast cocktail party circuit.

Have you ever considered writing novels - you have a way with words

It really doesn't matter which political party it is anymore. In this respect, I think the Latinos are right
"a two headed monster" (or something like that).

Both of our political parties are interested in their own agendas. They don't give a rip about middle class Americans (which are becoming a dying breed, IMO). The vast majority of politicians are interested in furthering their grab for power, through any means that they can.

To me, it isn't Republican vs. Democrat. It's policians vs. the American people!

Originally Posted by CheyenneWoman

To me, it isn't Republican vs. Democrat. It's policians vs. the American people!

The Republicans vs. Democrats stuff is a gigantic puppet show they put on every two years in order to fool the public that the current political system is democratic. In every election, they promise the world, and give dire warnings about what will happen if either party takes control from the other. After the election is over, they close ranks and go about business as usual, and all the hot button issues they stressed themselves out about in the campaign disappear. In reality, the policies of each incoming administration are largely continuous with the previous one. A good example of this would be NAFTA where Bush I dropped the ball only to have Clinton pick it up once in office.

Amen to that, Draconis.

It's only on "West Wing" that the President cared about the people.

And I notice that "Commander-In-Chief" is only on sporadically.

I think that Washington is such a snake-pit that only the strong vipers succeed there. Any decent man/woman is swallowed up whole.

Time to get rid of the whole bunch and start from scratch, methinks!!

Originally Posted by Draconis

No surprise there. "Conservatism" has always been about driving down the American standard of living and promoting the interests of the ultra rich at the expense of the average citizen. It's amazing that so many suckers have been fooled for so long by these con-artists. The GOP, the party of the robber barons, learned long ago to how to dress up their big business agenda in the clothes of populism. They rode the wave of reaction to the liberalism of the sixties into power, and having entrenched themselves, now V****V on the rest of the country, the unwashed masses who exist to cut their grass and fight their wars, from their Beltway perches while traversing the east coast cocktail party circuit.

I can only agree with you if you include that the current political option to Conservatism is Socialism, which is all the Democrats are offering.

I would also offer the disclaimer that you have made a fundamental logical error, in that while there may be those who support robber baron tactics among the Conservatives, they are a subsection of Conservatism and not Conservatism itself, any more than the hawkish neo-Conservatives are the true face of Conservatism.

I've been a republican all my life, but i'm fedup so now i go independent, the Republicans except for a few good people can go to hell.

Well, look at all of you. Are any of you ready to ABANDON your party? Doesn't sound like any of you, except a few, are willing to make that 'hard decision'. That would be doing away with both parties and voting for a 3rd party..that is by chance if it claims to be against illegal immigrants and amnesty for one and all. Suppose you were faced with this scenario..how many here could vote for a third party?

It may sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but we desparately need a third party. The dems (except for a few) are scum and the repubs are the bottom feeders that eat scum for lunch (except for a few). We need to round these exceptions up and form a new party. Now, lets see, who's the best person to do that? Who can you think of that is active at this site that can get that job done?

Originally Posted by Rockfish

Well, look at all of you. Are any of you ready to ABANDON your party? Doesn't sound like any of you, except a few, are willing to make that 'hard decision'. That would be doing away with both parties and voting for a 3rd party..that is by chance if it claims to be against illegal immigrants and amnesty for one and all. Suppose you were faced with this scenario..how many here could vote for a third party?

It may sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but we desparately need a third party. The dems (except for a few) are scum and the repubs are the bottom feeders that eat scum for lunch (except for a few). We need to round these exceptions up and form a new party. Now, lets see, who's the best person to do that? Who can you think of that is active at this site that can get that job done?

I vote third party in pretty much every race in which there is a viable third party candidate. Locally, that's quite a few races. In the national elections there are almost never serious third party challengers. That's because entry level for a national campaign these days (for a typical congressional district race) is about a half million dollars. Running for Senate is even more prohibitively expensive and forget the presidential race (though I did vote for Perot and end up with Clinton as President for my efforts).

It's not just the parties that are broken. The SYSTEM is broken. Until we fix it, we are relegated to the lesser of two evils. I'm not saying that we can't fix it, but I am saying that it isn't happening at the moment. People are not yet mad enough at the breach of their trust, but then most of them don't know the half of what's being done to them by the government and the puppetmasters who control it. I make it my business to try to open their eyes, but it's an uphill battle and one that, quite frankly, I am not sure that 21st century Americans are cut out for.

I've been having this reoccuring thought floating around in my head and wonder how viable it might be.

What do we need to do to accomplish the following:

In some future Presidential election, can we somehow arrange for the "loser" (the one with the second highest vote count) to be Vice President?

Now, of course, it wouldn't matter what party that individual was from.

I keep thinking that would be a better balance. The President would have to stay on his (or her ) toes more. Pay more attention to the will of the people.

At the end of the four year term, the President would have to step down and the Vice President would take over. The new election would be to replace the Vice President (and always from the opposing party).

We are no longer the "great unwashed". Americans are much more literate and knowledgable about politics they they were 50 to 100 years ago. We have a clearer understanding of what is expected from our elected representatives.

I'm throwing this out for discussion and comments

Originally Posted by Rockfish

Well, look at all of you. Are any of you ready to ABANDON your party? Doesn't sound like any of you, except a few, are willing to make that 'hard decision'. That would be doing away with both parties and voting for a 3rd party..that is by chance if it claims to be against illegal immigrants and amnesty for one and all. Suppose you were faced with this scenario..how many here could vote for a third party?

It may sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but we desparately need a third party. The dems (except for a few) are scum and the repubs are the bottom feeders that eat scum for lunch (except for a few). We need to round these exceptions up and form a new party. Now, lets see, who's the best person to do that? Who can you think of that is active at this site that can get that job done?

I did a write-in in 2004 for President... Bush called for amnesty in 2001. Anyone who talked the talk but then in the moment of truth kneeled down and voted for Bush in 2004 supports the problem. If you freely give your support away why would anyone ever try to earn it. Arguably the highest level of sap is the one who complains and complains about the problem but then on election day continues to support the problem. If amnesty becomes law I will vote against every R on the ballot and support the position that the price of amnesty should be loss of the majority.