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    Cut the jobs, freebies, school, medical and anchor babies. Most will go back home to their families.

    Free up jobs and housing for Veteran's, homeless and Senior's. All those that have been on welfare and food stamps for over 3 years and are able to work get booted off and have to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Deportation is the easiest of the three tasks of building the wall, deporting illegal aliens and enforcing the law. The key to deportation is to acknowledge states rights under the Constitution to enforce US immigration law. We have 800,000 sworn, trained, equipped and capable law enforcement officers on the state and local level. They can easily remove these illegal aliens, all of them, within 2 years.

    The present average arrest record for non-federal police officers is 1.5 arrests per month, according to the FBI statistics. So they have plenty of time to arrest 2 illegal aliens and detain 2 illegal aliens per month. That's 1.6 million illegal aliens per month arrested and detained ready for deportation hearing and a removal by the federal government or a joint task force program between the state and local entity and the federal government. That's 19.2 million illegal aliens removed per year. If they arrest 3 in 1 month, that's 20 million illegal aliens in 1 year. I believe there are 30 million so in order to remove all 30 million in this manner is a very doable task within 18 months to 2 years.

    The existing immigration court system needs to expedite the way they handle these hearings and run them very simply and efficiently. Do you have permission to be in the US? If no, they're deported. If they say yes, produce your papers, they go back to their life here if it's a mistake. If they have no papers to produce, then they are deported. In a post a few months ago, maybe a year ago, I took the time to show how even the existing immigration court system is sufficient to handle this. They would of course have to work 40 hours a week and confine their hearing to the simple issue of are you here legally or not. There may be times when they run a little over-time, but we're a hardworking nation of people and that should be expected of our court system the same as it is for everyone else working their ass off in this country for a lot less than what federal judges earn.
    You're operating under the premise that every state, county, and city in the country would actually want to enforce immigration law. Unfortunately current law can't force them to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Deportation is the easiest of the three tasks of building the wall, deporting illegal aliens and enforcing the law. The key to deportation is to acknowledge states rights under the Constitution to enforce US immigration law. We have 800,000 sworn, trained, equipped and capable law enforcement officers on the state and local level. They can easily remove these illegal aliens, all of them, within 2 years.

    The present average arrest record for non-federal police officers is 1.5 arrests per month, according to the FBI statistics. So they have plenty of time to arrest 2 illegal aliens and detain 2 illegal aliens per month. That's 1.6 million illegal aliens per month arrested and detained ready for deportation hearing and a removal by the federal government or a joint task force program between the state and local entity and the federal government. That's 19.2 million illegal aliens removed per year. If they arrest 3 in 1 month, that's 20 million illegal aliens in 1 year. I believe there are 30 million so in order to remove all 30 million in this manner is a very doable task within 18 months to 2 years.

    The existing immigration court system needs to expedite the way they handle these hearings and run them very simply and efficiently. Do you have permission to be in the US? If no, they're deported. If they say yes, produce your papers, they go back to their life here if it's a mistake. If they have no papers to produce, then they are deported. In a post a few months ago, maybe a year ago, I took the time to show how even the existing immigration court system is sufficient to handle this. They would of course have to work 40 hours a week and confine their hearing to the simple issue of are you here legally or not. There may be times when they run a little over-time, but we're a hardworking nation of people and that should be expected of our court system the same as it is for everyone else working their ass off in this country for a lot less than what federal judges earn.
    "Deportation is the easiest of the three tasks of building the wall, deporting illegal aliens and enforcing the law."

    I'm sorry, Judy, but rather obviously, it is not the easiest task. You are rather idly sitting back and telling LEO's to work harder against a politically protected criminal minority. Think of all the problems they are having with Black Lives Matter (BLM). You don't think this NGO isn't going to take up the cause of illegal immigrants? BLM pretty clearly has international roots and those who support illegal immigration come from the same place.

    And a good part of the blame for the illegal immigration problem rests on the courts. Already there are too many examples of the courts subverting the immigration laws.

    Throwing out the illegals who are here already, that is going to be tough, possible and necessary, but tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    You're operating under the premise that every state, county, and city in the country would actually want to enforce immigration law. Unfortunately current law can't force them to do that.
    Not only that but they would want the feds to pay them for the time officers are enforcing federal immigration laws and the detention of illegal aliens in city, county and state jails or prisons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    You're operating under the premise that every state, county, and city in the country would actually want to enforce immigration law. Unfortunately current law can't force them to do that.
    Yes, that's right, it assumes law enforcement would want to enforce immigration law and isn't blocked from doing so by the federal government. No, we wouldn't want the feds to force them to do that. But I think most LEO's organizations would want to do that. Most that aren't, aren't doing so because they believe they'll be blocked by the federal government. When that changes, so will their actions, seems to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkskyali View Post
    "Deportation is the easiest of the three tasks of building the wall, deporting illegal aliens and enforcing the law."

    I'm sorry, Judy, but rather obviously, it is not the easiest task. You are rather idly sitting back and telling LEO's to work harder against a politically protected criminal minority. Think of all the problems they are having with Black Lives Matter (BLM). You don't think this NGO isn't going to take up the cause of illegal immigrants? BLM pretty clearly has international roots and those who support illegal immigration come from the same place.

    And a good part of the blame for the illegal immigration problem rests on the courts. Already there are too many examples of the courts subverting the immigration laws.

    Throwing out the illegals who are here already, that is going to be tough, possible and necessary, but tough.
    You are assuming that Trump is going to protect illegal aliens. That isn't right, he's going to do the opposite and not protect them. So they will not be a "politically protected minority" under this deportation plan. BLM isn't interested in illegal aliens. Illegal aliens are the ones who stole their jobs and opportunities. The roots of the BLM are 2 American women outraged by the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Yes, I've already posted elsewhere that there will be protests, riots and possibly worse. But the act of finding, arresting and detaining illegal aliens for deportation is easier than building the wall in terms of doing it, and by that I mean LEO's arrest people all the time, that's what they do, LEO's know who they are, where they are and what they're doing, LEO's are trained and skilled in the very functions needed, they arrest, they process, they verify, so there's nothing different about arresting illegal aliens than arresting anyone else. Building the wall is much more complex, is something not done by US before, requires engineering and design, and much more, so it will take some time and a lot of expertise to even start construction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Not only that but they would want the feds to pay them for the time officers are enforcing federal immigration laws and the detention of illegal aliens in city, county and state jails or prisons.
    Why would the feds pay them? The states, counties and municipalities are already paying them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    You are assuming that Trump is going to protect illegal aliens. That isn't right, he's going to do the opposite and not protect them. So they will not be a "politically protected minority" under this deportation plan. BLM isn't interested in illegal aliens. Illegal aliens are the ones who stole their jobs and opportunities. The roots of the BLM are 2 American women outraged by the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Yes, I've already posted elsewhere that there will be protests, riots and possibly worse. But the act of finding, arresting and detaining illegal aliens for deportation is easier than building the wall in terms of doing it, and by that I mean LEO's arrest people all the time, that's what they do, LEO's know who they are, where they are and what they're doing, LEO's are trained and skilled in the very functions needed, they arrest, they process, they verify, so there's nothing different about arresting illegal aliens than arresting anyone else. Building the wall is much more complex, is something not done by US before, requires engineering and design, and much more, so it will take some time and a lot of expertise to even start construction.
    I am encouraged by your confidence. You sound like you know what you are talking about. But obviously I don't think at all that Trump is going to protect illegal aliens. I am more worried about political opposition. The presidency is not all that is needed to confront illegal immigration as a national matter.
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    Oh yes, I agree, and have already posted a few days ago, there will be lots of political opposition. Governors, Mayors, illegal aliens, illegal alien advocacy groups, Bernie Supporters who don't know why they're protesting at Trump Rallies, world leaders, media, businesses, school boards, hospitals, and so many more who line their pockets or win elections and positions representing illegal aliens. Oh yes, it will be a firestorm. However, the simple act of finding, arresting, detaining and quickly deporting illegal aliens itself is no different than arresting, detaining and processing any criminal in our country and often times will be much easier.

    What I want to break through and feel it is important to do, is to wake everyone up to reality. Finding, arresting and removing illegal aliens is very doable. I can't imagine any legitimate law enforcement officer claiming he/she can't do it, it's too hard, it's too difficult, let alone "impossible" as pro-illegal alien supporters and these treasonous politicians claim. It's very doable. Very easy, really.

    When you compare the number of sworn police officers at the state and local level to the number of illegal aliens to be removed, it's arresting 2 to 3 illegal aliens per month on average. Usually they're in big groups, so with each arrest, you can arrest 4 or 5 or more. At work places, you can arrest 20 to 40 to 400 to 1,000 in one arrest swoop. State and local law enforcement know these people, they know who they are, where they are and what they're doing. Sure there may be some citizens and legal immigrants in the mix of the large groups, but very few, and that will be sorted out during arrest processing or at the scene with ID and Papers which citizens and legal immigrants should have on them and most certainly during the first few hours of a detainment either through E-Verify or federal verification prior to a prompt deportation hearing.

    Think what these power brokers have done to the American People. They've told US we don't want to work, we're lazy, we're rich, we're spoiled, there are jobs we won't do, we're racist, we're bigots, they've even told white Americans, "you're dying".

    We're none of those things. We want to work, we're not lazy, most of us aren't rich, few are spoiled, and there is no job an American somewhere won't do. We're not racist, we're not bigots, and we're not "dying".

    We have to counteract this treasonous rubbish with the facts, with reality, and expose the charades, schemes, plots and evil playing havoc and chaos on our country and on US.

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    We must regain control of our country and stop letting traitors tell US what we can and can not do. We CAN defend our country from enemies foreign or domestic. We CAN bust the Establishment that put US in this crisis. We CAN deport 30 million illegal aliens in 2 years or less and solve the problem of illegal immigration once and for all. We CAN build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. We CAN enforce our laws and keep this country safe and solvent and our people happy and prosperous.

    While it's true that we've been sold out by all talk, no action politicians, the day Americans become all talk, no action citizens is the day we actually lost our country.
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    I am more worried about political opposition. The presidency is not all that is needed to confront illegal immigration as a national matter.
    Unfortunately you are so right. The pressure from opposition is going to be tremendous. However, just acting within the confines of our written enforcement laws will be a vast improvement over what we have right now.

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