Thread: Enforcing Current Immigration Laws Will Recover Eight Millio

Opposition to amnesty does not equate to deportation? And I have to ask what is your solution to illegals that continually ignore the laws of this land?

Originally Posted by Lstudent

I appreciate the response. I must note that opposition to amnesty does not equate to deportation. If I were to guess where most Americans stand on the issue, it is upholding the status quo.

I have to disagree with your guess. Perhaps 10-15 years ago the status quo was acceptable to many but the massive increases in the numbers of IAs coming here in the last 10 years has awoken most of America to the problem.

Originally Posted by Lstudent

One can say for sure that many businesses benefit directly from illegal, cheap labor. These businesses would not want deportation nor amnesty because either option would take away from their profits.

You're mostly correct but I would differ about your assumption that most or all businesses would be against amnesty. Those legalized would still constitute a large cheap labor pool undercutting established wages but still paid higher than minimum wages

Originally Posted by Lstudent

Well, actually there are many Americans, unfortunately, that do not care about issues that fall outside of MTV, Housewives of Orange County. In other words, many Americans probably don't have an opinion at all on immigration.

The people you are referring too are probably not politically active either. As evidence I would refer to the consistence of polls indicating 80% of our population are against an amnesty. The 20% who are not are probably those benefiting from the IA presence.

Originally Posted by Lstudent

Anyway, Ratbstard, since this is Americans for Legal Immigration, do you propose any reform to the the current Legal immigration law(?i.e. expand the options for foreigners to come here legally)

I would reduce current legal immigration to the much more manageable numbers pre 1965. I would require a "hard means test" so that no entrant become a burden to society. I would also increase it from 5 yrs to 10 yrs before an immigrant gained "all rights of citizenship." Lastly I would address "chain migration" by ending it entirely.

Originally Posted by Lstudent

As to your defense of Judy, you are mostly right except for one crucial point: You concede that complete deportation is not possible; Judy says that it is.

I believe Judy meant that it is possible to deport 100% of the IAs who come into contact with the law as do I. Any IA stopped for the slightest infraction of the law could and should be deported.

Originally Posted by Lstudent

Who agrees with 93camaro's endorsement of racial profiling?

"Can't stop it all but profiling would along with V-verify would have them self deporting by the millions."

You are the one using the word racial. Profiling has and always will be a mainstay of law enforcement.

Profiling has and always will be a mainstay of law enforcement.

I have been profiled a few times, but the funniest was after I was in college, a cop pulled me over in my '66 Mustang as he was not sure I was old enough to drive.
I took no offense, and suing the cop delaying me was never a question. But apparently law suits are the favorite of those here illegally, along with their backers, that scream racism at every chance.

Originally Posted by Lstudent

I appreciate the response. I must note that opposition to amnesty does not equate to deportation. If I were to guess where most Americans stand on the issue, it is upholding the status quo.

No, most Americans want the immigration and labor laws enforced, and if that means handcuffing and physically deporting illegals, so be it.

The status quo is "administrative amnesty", illegals are allowed to continue stealing jobs, wages, public benefits, and security from Americans.

Now how about the fact that 95% of illegal aliens also commit non-immigration crimes, when are you responding to that?

Lstudent wrote:

It seems you are not aware of what Article 1, Section 9 is. It is regarding the regulation of slaves, not the regulation of immigration.

Funny you should mention that! The 14th Amendment was also instituted to bestow US citizenship to those newly freed slaves and not the offspring of those who entered this country in violation of our immigration laws.

Knowing that, you must also be outraged at the willful abuse of this Amendment, by those who have no legal or moral justification for being in this country, much less US citizenship bestowed to their offspring...

I agree that it would be much more difficult politically and practically now to deport en masse than in the 1950s -- but we don't need to. We've discussed many times the false choice between (mass, pathway) amnesty and (mass) deportations.

This is why many of us in the mainstream anti-illegal immigration movement support attrition through enforcement of laws, to decrease the number of illegal aliens over time -- a position that does have the support of Americans:

60% of voters said reducing illegal immigration and cracking down on employers who hire them is important to them, while only 21% supported "legalizing or creating a pathway to citizenship" for illegal aliens, Zogby 11/08

Please cite to specific case law referring to "profiling" as a mainstay of our law.

8 Million

8,000,000 - the number of known illegals, using invalid SS numbers, working at known places of employment.

As of Oct. 31, unemployment is 10.2%, and there are 15,700,000 unemployed American workers. http://bit.ly/U8Awd

8,000,000 illegals earning $10 an hour, equals $20,800 a year, that's 8,000,000 X $20,800 equals $166,400,000,000; that's $166.4 billion that American workers aren't taking home for their wives, and children.

Remember all of those jobs that used to be available for teenagers.

But wait there's more; let's suppose 1/2 of those unemployed American workers, are drawing unemployment, at a very modest $300 a week, $10,400 a year times 7 million American workers; that's another $109.2 billion dollars out of taxpayer pockets. (Most of the state unemployment funds are broke).

So those 8 million illegally employed illegals are costing us $275.6 billion;...but wait there's more, they send $65 billion dollars home every year, so that money isn't even spent in our United States to support businesses.

That's $340.6 billion dollars that 8,000,000 illegals are costing us and remember, that doesn't include the cost of their Welfare, Food Stamps, Section-8, Healthcare, Education, or EITC.

On Dec. 3, 2009, the AZ Department of Economic Security (DES) instructed its workers to ban welfare services to, and to report illegals http://bit.ly/5XXi4q

THE BAD NEWS there are 30 million illegals in our country

MANDATE, AND ENFORCE, E-VERIFY, AND LET'S TURN THIS AROUND

http://bit.ly/7gyS2q

Originally Posted by Lstudent

Please cite to specific case law referring to "profiling" as a mainstay of our law.

How about first responding to my posts?