Thread: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law USA TODAY

Originally Posted by TakingBackSoCal

Originally Posted by WaterStationPrez

I hate to interupt everyone in mid-gloat, but a sizable percentage of the Hispanics leaving Arizona are in the U.S. legally. They know the dirty secret of 1070: there is no way that the law can be enforced without ethnic profiling.

In order for the law to work, people who might be undocumented (i.e., anyone with brown skin) will be asked for identification any time they are in the vicinity of law enforcement.
Law enforcement isn't likely to pay much attention to the distinctions, either.

Where do you get your information that most of the illegals leaving are legal? If they are legal, then why are they leaving? If they have id and can show it, as is required by law of anyone at anytime stopped by law enforcement, then they are not going to be detained.

Maybe if you actually read the bill, 1070, you would know that there is no racial profiling involved. Just asking for identification if stopped for other probable causes.

JUST TO REPEAT, WE ARE ALL REQUIRED TO CARRY IDENTIFICATION AT ALL TIMES. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I AM ASKED TO PRODUCE IDENTIFICATION AND I AM AS WHITE AS WHITE CAN GET.

Originally Posted by WaterStationPrez

I hate to interupt everyone in mid-gloat, but a sizable percentage of the Hispanics leaving Arizona are in the U.S. legally. They know the dirty secret of 1070: there is no way that the law can be enforced without ethnic profiling.

In order for the law to work, people who might be undocumented (i.e., anyone with brown skin) will be asked for identification any time they are in the vicinity of law enforcement.

The author of the "news story" committed a very typical blunder -- he made no distinction among citizens, legal residents and undocumented persons. Law enforcement isn't likely to pay much attention to the distinctions, either.

Your racism is showing. Brown skin does not indicate a possible illegal alien, lack of English or a foreign accent does, along with intense apprehension around law enforcement. Plus not all illegals have brown skin.

The author intentionally didn't distinguish between legal residents and illegal, to drum up support against 1070. You are doing the same.

Originally Posted by WaterStationPrez

I hate to interupt everyone in mid-gloat, but a sizable percentage of the Hispanics leaving Arizona are in the U.S. legally. They know the dirty secret of 1070: there is no way that the law can be enforced without ethnic profiling.

In order for the law to work, people who might be undocumented (i.e., anyone with brown skin) will be asked for identification any time they are in the vicinity of law enforcement. Presence at a party at which there is a loud music complaint; an anonymous tip to the police, justified or not; a neighborhood dispute that involves the police: any of these could result in the systematic detainment and processing of American citizens and legal residents.

The author of the "news story" committed a very typical blunder -- he made no distinction among citizens, legal residents and undocumented persons. Law enforcement isn't likely to pay much attention to the distinctions, either.

There is no "dirty secret" to SB 1070, which by the way is actually HB 2162 which is the bill that was signed into law which means it's no longer a bill, it's a statute.

What is your concern about presence at a party with loud music that results in a complaint to the police or a neighborhood dispute that involves in the police that results in the "systematic detainment and processing of American citizens and legal residents??!!!

For your information, American citizens and legal residents are detained and processed for disturbing the peace and having fights with the neighbors every day. The only thing the AZ immigration law does that police don't do every day is check immigration status if there's reasonable suspicion that the person they've detained and processed isn't who they say they are. Why would Hispanics who are citizens or legal residents leave Arizona over that? Arizona law enforcement verifies immigration status through Border Patrol and ICE and can do so very quickly.

Americans have to prove who they are every day, there's no reason why illegal aliens should be exempt or treated differently. They are not special people with special rights and they are not above the law. At least not any more. There's no reason for an Hispanic who is an American citizen or legal immigrant to have any worries, and if they do, it's because they are associated or related to illegal aliens and are aiding, abetting and harboring them. That gig is up. That party is over. And rightly so.

I hope that other states follow sb1070,since we are already seeing how easily they are self-deporting,free of charge!!which has always been one of arguments to let them stay "too expensive to deport them all" I work at a pharmacy in Ky, and have already seen 8 from AZ in the last couple of days. One was even wearing an "ARIZONA" t-shirt! I had to laugh at that

QUOTE from Judy.........Why would Hispanics who are citizens or legal residents leave Arizona over that?

RASISTAS.......LaRaza..........The RACE.........

Originally Posted by WaterStationPrez

I hate to interupt everyone in mid-gloat, but a sizable percentage of the Hispanics leaving Arizona are in the U.S. legally. They know the dirty secret of 1070: there is no way that the law can be enforced without ethnic profiling.

In order for the law to work, people who might be undocumented (i.e., anyone with brown skin) will be asked for identification any time they are in the vicinity of law enforcement. Presence at a party at which there is a loud music complaint; an anonymous tip to the police, justified or not; a neighborhood dispute that involves the police: any of these could result in the systematic detainment and processing of American citizens and legal residents.

The author of the "news story" committed a very typical blunder -- he made no distinction among citizens, legal residents and undocumented persons. Law enforcement isn't likely to pay much attention to the distinctions, either.

If you'll excuse the pun - your comment holds no water since at least 50% of law enforcement in AZ are HISPANIC themselves!

On top of that, why not ask American truck drivers about all the paperwork and licences they are made to carry with them everywhere they go - it's no less than 13! Do you hear them whining about it?

One thing I think they could have improved on with this bill to put all this phony "racial profiling" BS to bed is to have law enforcement check EVERYONE'S legal status who is involved in a scuffle with the law. Problem solved! If they are here legally, they can't be deported no matter what thier color is.

JohnDoe2 wrote:

Arizona's new state motto is

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO HOME, BUT YOU CAN'T STAY HERE.

unless you consider the Scandinavians but they didn't "stick"

Bay0Wolf, they think that there were plenty of settlements of Caucasoid people, prior to the Asiatic/Bering migrations, mummies found in South America with red or blonde hair, but that they were sytematically captured and used for sacrifices to Mayan and/or Aztec pagan gods (depictions inside of temples show light skinned, light haired people being used for sacrifices).

Very interesting, and little known archaelogical information (of course, it would blow up all other groups claims to have "been here first"), although highly politically incorrect.

Clovis points, being identical to those found in southern France (crafted by the Solutrean people), which pre-date later points of completely differing craftmanship. Kennewick man......an obvious Caucasoid, but secreted away by the then Clinton admin, with the aid of local "groups" in Washington state (guess it was an unpopular idea that all pointed to a non-caucasion migration prior to theirs).

Originally Posted by lccat

Originally Posted by vistalad

Originally Posted by Veronica

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I have an answer for stopping the globalist continuing to rape and ruin our nation. The globalist international corporations & banks took huge sums of money from the USA citizens in the bailouts. They should have to pay all these huge taxes they are responsible for placing upon us, not the working classes. The USA is a huge business block very much needed by globalist to make huge sums of profits. The globalist found they could pit state against state in order not to pay any taxes. For instance, if one state charged any taxes, then they threatened to take their jobs to another state that would not charge taxes or would subsidize the business with the peoples taxes so those jobs would be available in that state.
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Originally Posted by WaterStationPrez

I hate to interupt everyone in mid-gloat, but a sizable percentage of the Hispanics leaving Arizona are in the U.S. legally. They know the dirty secret of 1070: there is no way that the law can be enforced without ethnic profiling.

In order for the law to work, people who might be undocumented (i.e., anyone with brown skin) will be asked for identification any time they are in the vicinity of law enforcement. Presence at a party at which there is a loud music complaint; an anonymous tip to the police, justified or not; a neighborhood dispute that involves the police: any of these could result in the systematic detainment and processing of American citizens and legal residents.

The author of the "news story" committed a very typical blunder -- he made no distinction among citizens, legal residents and undocumented persons. Law enforcement isn't likely to pay much attention to the distinctions, either.

i have to disagree .. i think the majority are illegal iimmigrants or family who have illegal immigrants with them , remeber transporting will now be considered a crime ...

As to the point of american citizens being stopped , by and large i doubt americans will mind , even hispanic americans ... i think it is our duty as patrotic citizens to "take one for the team " and yes that's going to apply more for hispanic citzens then other racial groups , in order to end this scourage ...

illegal immigration must be stopped , and all of us have a part to play in ending it .