Thread: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law USA TODAY

just think if every state wrote a law like AZ the Illegals would have no choice but to return to their homeland file for legal entry and follow the laws of this country. the bad part about this is that they are not going back to Mexico they are moving deeper into the interior of the country to other states who are too stupid to follow the lead that Arizona has set. My hat's off to Gov. Jan Brewer stay strong and don't let the rhetoric get to you we are behind you 1000 % great work Gov.

There are a few things I would ask you to consider. First, there is no law that compels an American citizen to carry identification. Appeals and Supreme Court decisions have historically thrown them out as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Even in states with stop and identify laws, law enforcement may not even compel a person to identify himself verbally without reasonable suspicion that the person is engaged in criminal activity. The only instances in which a person can be compelled to produce identification is when operating a motor vehicle, boarding an airplane, or when being detained as a suspect in a crime over which the law enforcement officer has jurisdiction.

The law in Arizona changes things dramatically. Jurisdiction over federal status crimes is extended to state and local authorities, who can be sued if they are insufficiently aggressive. The law now requires officers to presume status violation based on physical characteristics and ill-defined behaviors. And if a person exhibits those traits, even if s/he is not suspected of being "engaged in criminal activity, s/he must then produce an Arizona driver's license or identification, tribal identification or documents from another state, if the issuing state passes muster with the Arizona legislature.

It is silly to assume that the law will not target Hispanics and people mistaken for Hispanics. The Border Patrol utilizes ethnic profiling routinely and their doing so is usually appropriate as they are the entity with jurisdiction and there are different procedures in th immediate border regions. I can illustrate it anecdotally. I have gone out to the desert every other Saturday between March and October for the past six years. In driving around to the various areas in which our water stations are located, I pass through different Border Patrol checkpoints five or seven times depending on the routes I service. As a non-Hispanic caucasion, I have never -- not once -- been waved over to the Secondary Inspection area, even when transporting 25 cases of water covered with a tarp. Our Hispanic volunteers, all of whom are U.S. citizens, usually have to budget extra time because they are routinely stopped and carefully searched.

It is well to consider that people trade freedom for security slowly and incrementally. The irony is that eventually, the people are neither free nor secure. Arizona's newly amended law is such a step.

The law in Arizona changes things dramatically. Jurisdiction over federal status crimes is extended to state and local authorities, who can be sued if they are insufficiently aggressive.

States have ALWAYS had the right to enforce federal law and you probably know that but choose to hide behind the BS idea that they don't. Basically 1070 makes it MANDATORY to end Sanctuary Policies or face being sued for failure to enforce the law.

The law now requires officers to presume status violation based on physical characteristics and ill-defined behaviors.

presume status violation, nice play with words there. I would say "they are required to verify the status of the perp.

And if a person exhibits those traits, even if s/he is not suspected of being "engaged in criminal activity, s/he must then produce an Arizona driver's license or identification, tribal identification or documents from another state, if the issuing state passes muster with the Arizona legislature.

This is just an outright LIE. The law clearly states they CAN NOT just ask for ID from someone who has not violated any law.

Seems your bucket has more than a few holes in it.

Originally Posted by PatriotAZGUY

This is most excellent news of their departure...yes...July 4th...excellent day to leave...how ironic for us Arizonans that you leave on Independance Day.....

Can you talk more of your friends and family members to share you same dream to leave....even better...on the same day...my preference though is instead of California or Virginia...head to Mexico!!!

***Alert*** To All State Highway Patrols-If You See Arizona Tags on the 4th Of July with household goods loaded down in it you have a 95% chance you will capture an escaping illegal alien family and you would be saving your state and citizens tons of money in welfare if you detain and arrest.

Could not have said it better!!!!!

Originally Posted by WaterStationPrez

There are a few things I would ask you to consider. First, there is no law that compels an American citizen to carry identification. Appeals and Supreme Court decisions have historically thrown them out as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Even in states with stop and identify laws, law enforcement may not even compel a person to identify himself verbally without reasonable suspicion that the person is engaged in criminal activity. The only instances in which a person can be compelled to produce identification is when operating a motor vehicle, boarding an airplane, or when being detained as a suspect in a crime over which the law enforcement officer has jurisdiction.

The law in Arizona changes things dramatically. Jurisdiction over federal status crimes is extended to state and local authorities, who can be sued if they are insufficiently aggressive. The law now requires officers to presume status violation based on physical characteristics and ill-defined behaviors. And if a person exhibits those traits, even if s/he is not suspected of being "engaged in criminal activity, s/he must then produce an Arizona driver's license or identification, tribal identification or documents from another state, if the issuing state passes muster with the Arizona legislature.

It is silly to assume that the law will not target Hispanics and people mistaken for Hispanics. The Border Patrol utilizes ethnic profiling routinely and their doing so is usually appropriate as they are the entity with jurisdiction and there are different procedures in th immediate border regions. I can illustrate it anecdotally. I have gone out to the desert every other Saturday between March and October for the past six years. In driving around to the various areas in which our water stations are located, I pass through different Border Patrol checkpoints five or seven times depending on the routes I service. As a non-Hispanic caucasion, I have never -- not once -- been waved over to the Secondary Inspection area, even when transporting 25 cases of water covered with a tarp. Our Hispanic volunteers, all of whom are U.S. citizens, usually have to budget extra time because they are routinely stopped and carefully searched.

It is well to consider that people trade freedom for security slowly and incrementally. The irony is that eventually, the people are neither free nor secure. Arizona's newly amended law is such a step.

Excuse Me,I think you must be reading from a different SB 1070 than everyone else (presuming you've even read it). I will not debate it with you but I will say this: "I think you are on the wrong web site, this is the site that Supports Legal Immigration and SB 1070 and wants Illegals Deported"

Originally Posted by WaterStationPrez

There are a few things I would ask you to consider. First, there is no law that compels an American citizen to carry identification. Appeals and Supreme Court decisions have historically thrown them out as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Even in states with stop and identify laws, law enforcement may not even compel a person to identify himself verbally without reasonable suspicion that the person is engaged in criminal activity. The only instances in which a person can be compelled to produce identification is when operating a motor vehicle, boarding an airplane, or when being detained as a suspect in a crime over which the law enforcement officer has jurisdiction.

The law in Arizona changes things dramatically. Jurisdiction over federal status crimes is extended to state and local authorities, who can be sued if they are insufficiently aggressive. The law now requires officers to presume status violation based on physical characteristics and ill-defined behaviors. And if a person exhibits those traits, even if s/he is not suspected of being "engaged in criminal activity, s/he must then produce an Arizona driver's license or identification, tribal identification or documents from another state, if the issuing state passes muster with the Arizona legislature.

It is silly to assume that the law will not target Hispanics and people mistaken for Hispanics. The Border Patrol utilizes ethnic profiling routinely and their doing so is usually appropriate as they are the entity with jurisdiction and there are different procedures in th immediate border regions. I can illustrate it anecdotally. I have gone out to the desert every other Saturday between March and October for the past six years. In driving around to the various areas in which our water stations are located, I pass through different Border Patrol checkpoints five or seven times depending on the routes I service. As a non-Hispanic caucasion, I have never -- not once -- been waved over to the Secondary Inspection area, even when transporting 25 cases of water covered with a tarp. Our Hispanic volunteers, all of whom are U.S. citizens, usually have to budget extra time because they are routinely stopped and carefully searched.

It is well to consider that people trade freedom for security slowly and incrementally. The irony is that eventually, the people are neither free nor secure. Arizona's newly amended law is such a step.

I'm as white as they come and I've been sent to secondary plenty of times coming over the border! Was that racial profiling?

I think you are on the wrong web site, this is the site that Supports Legal Immigration and SB 1070 and wants Illegals Deported"

I do not fear engaging in conversation with people who disagree with me. It is part of the method by which people learn and clarify their beliefs. Respectful debate is one of the hallmarks of a civil society.

Having said that, I must point out that you have no way of knowing whether or not I also support legal immigration and the deportation of undocumented persons.

Originally Posted by WaterStationPrez

I think you are on the wrong web site, this is the site that Supports Legal Immigration and SB 1070 and wants Illegals Deported"

I do not fear engaging in conversation with people who disagree with me. It is part of the method by which people learn and clarify their beliefs. Respectful debate is one of the hallmarks of a civil society.

Having said that, I must point out that you have no way of knowing whether or not I also support legal immigration and the deportation of undocumented persons.

your postion does not seem to be "helpfull" this is a national emergency , civil rights are now secondary to handling the problem ... i don't WANT to see anyones rights infrigined on , but being pulled over is not the end of the world ...

i would prefer to set up random checkpoints throughout my state of arizona where EVERYONE is checked , but i'll take what i can get ....

with over 500,000 criminals running around in our state , extream measures are now called for .

Originally Posted by kn529

Originally Posted by elpasoborn

I think the illegals should pack up and go to Washington DC! If they were to arrive there in mass and infiltrate all the social services, commit major crimes, not pay taxes and have a ton of anchor babies....just MAYBE folks in our government might get the point!

Please don't send them to Washington, DC because they won't actually live in DC, they will live in either Northern Virginia or Maryland, both DC suburbs that are already OVERRUN with illegals. We don't need, we don't want, we can't afford anymore. Provide them with a one way bus ride back to Mexico or Central America or wherever it is SOUTH OF THE BORDER that they want to go.

Or perhaps we can set up a tent city in DC right on the mall between the Capital and the Washington Monument like they did for the poor decades ago. That way they would be right in the face of our Congress and President (I suggest we even put up some tents on the White House lawn. They could eat out of Michelle's garden.) They could have port-a-johns, and taco stands, and informtaion booths on how to deport themselves back to their respective homelands. No food stamps, no school or free lunch for the kidees, no subsidised rent (after all they will be living in tents), no free hospital care and that includes pregnancy and giving birth (we could have a special tent for that) THAT'S THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE TREATED. Let's see how quickly Congress changes their tune when they have to see this every day.

CONGRESS will change their tune alright if that happens. They will shove through an amnesty so fast that our heads will spin 100% at the rapidity Congress can work - but not for the good of our Country and our citizens.

It the people in DC had ONE grain of COMMON sense they would make all of them go home. We are being INVADED by Mexico and that is one reason why the States are going bankrupt along with the government. We cannot pay FREE medical, welfare, food stamps, FREE schooling and reduced government housing to so many people and expect to stay solvent. It is OUTRAGEOUS what the Marxist, Socialist, Communist in DC are doing to this nation. Those on the Socialist Democrats of America and on the Progressive Caucus List ( A communist list) need to be voted OUT. They are: Eni Faleomavaega, Edward Pastor, Lynn Woolsey, George Miller, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Lee, Pete Stark, Henry Waxman, Xavier Becerra, Maxine Waters, Bob Filner, Diane DeGette, Eleanor Norton, Corrine Brown, Alcee Hastins, John Lewis, Neil Abercrombie, Bobby Rush, Jesse L. Jackson, Jr. Luis Gutierez, Danny Davis, John W. Olver, James McGovern, Barney Frank, John Tierney, Michael Capuano, Lynn Rivers, John Conyers, Jr., Bennie Thompson, Melvin Watt, Donald Payne, Jerrold Nadler, Major Owens, Nydia Velazquez, Charles Rangel, Maurice Hinchey, Marcy Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Sherrod Brown, Peter DeFazio,Charles Fattah, William J. Coyne, Sheila Jackson lee, Robert "Bobby, Scott Bernard Sanders, James McDermott and Tammy Baldwin.
I HOPE everybody reading this will copy those names and send them FAR and WIDE and get them VOTED OUT.