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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
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    That was in reference to whether we needed to amend the US Constitution in order to stop anchor baby citizenship. Trump's answer was no he didn't think so, based on legal scholars. We just need a law to change the practice going forward. Trump could technically stop it going forward by refusing to issue US passports to children of illegal aliens, and possibly instructions of some kind to SSA to stop handing out social security numbers based just on birth certificates to children of illegal aliens, but I don't see him taking that on without a new law behind him to do it. His actions would just be blocked by some 9th circuit court and without the new law, who knows what the US Supreme Court would do. We don't want to take any risks with the court system without a solid law on the issue, because historically, the US Supreme Court has almost always supported the illegal immigrant and alien over US citizens, a strange history for a court that refused to end slavery.

    But that's what it is, so you work within the game to win and make some progress, seems to me. I think we owe it to ourselves, our kids, grandkids and future generations to make some progress and to me the signing of HR 140 into law would be one of the most, if not the most, important legislative achievements of our entire movement.

    But there is very little time to do it, so it needs to be put on a fast track course, seems to me.
    We are running out of time , and must act sooner rather than later , as the illegal alien population has been increasing mostly by births for a number of years.
    Most parents of anchor babies have been illegally in the country for a long time,and their children are responsible for the ever increasing rise in the Latino vote , all legal due to birthright citizenship. The attempted transformation of our county is being accomplished by giving precious U.S. citizenship to the offspring of illegals,and securing the border will not be enough to save it; anchor baby citizenship has to end!
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    That's the effect of ex post facto. We can't pass a law, policy or court ruling on something like this and apply it retroactively, especially on something that the government itself has done, and no legal scholar has ever said otherwise. Under the US Constitution, we can stop this crazy practice going forward but we can't do anything about the past. It's the same reason we didn't hang slaver owners after the Civil War.
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    Prefer this thought line and avenue to fight for rather than acquiesce to a backdoor amnesty .......plus already huge amounts of" anchor babies" are in mexico with their parents, stopping that motion would be self defeating for Americans.
    Get E-Verify going and they will self deport with their anchors.


    On the 14th Amendment and Birthright Citizenship


    by Rich Lowry August 18, 2015 2:36 PM @richlowry

    Lino Graglia of the University of Texas Law School had a law review article on it a few years back: The 1866 Act begins with a statement from which the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment is derived: “[A]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States . . .” The phrase “and not subject to any foreign power” seems clearly to exclude children of resident aliens, legal as well as illegal. The Fourteenth Amendment Citizenship Clause substituted the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” but there is no indication of intent to change the original meaning. In the 39th Congress, which enacted the 1866 Civil Rights Act and proposed the Fourteenth Amendment, the question arose of how to avoid granting birthright citizenship to members of Indian tribes living on reservations. The issue was whether an explicit exclusion of Indians should be written into the Citizenship Clause as it was in the above-quoted first sentence of the 1866 Act. It was decided that this was not necessary, because, although Indians were at least partly subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, they owed allegiance to their tribes, not to the United States. Senators Lyman Trumbull of Illinois and Jacob Howard of Ohio were the principal authors of the citizenship clauses in both the 1866 Act and the Fourteenth Amendment. Senator Trumbull stated that “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” meant subject to its “complete” jurisdiction, which means “[n]ot owing allegiance to anybody else.” Senator Howard agreed that “jurisdiction” meant a full and complete jurisdiction, the same “in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.” Children born to Indian parents with tribal allegiances were therefore necessarily excluded from birthright citizenship, and explicit exclusion was unnecessary. This reasoning would seem also to exclude birthright citizenship for the children of legal resident aliens and, a fortiori, of illegal aliens. It appears, therefore, that the Constitution, far from clearly compelling the grant of birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens, is better understood as denying the grant.

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    California is a perfect case study of the pros and cons of the 14th Amendment and its intent. We now have children born in the United States to non citizen parents holding office in our state government. They have clearly shown that their loyalty is to their parents heritage and not to America.
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    It must be stopped. Doing nothing is not solving the problem. The past has come and gone and nothing can or will be changed regarding it. It's what we do now to protect the future from any more of this nonsense. Like I've said, we only have a short window of control of both chamber of Congress and the White House. It will not last long. So not acting now with a law to stop it is the same as doing nothing which is acquiescing by definition.
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    No really doing something is to interpret the amendment properly. Pushing this act will stop those that are leaving now with their anchor babies.

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