Thread: LIVE: President Trump Talks DACA, Amnesty, Border Wall, Shutdown

Originally Posted by Judy

No, it's the Rule of Law. I realize this little thing called Rule of Law gets in the way of your wild-eyed, hair-on-fire tin foil hat rhetoric in our little Republic home of the free and land of the brave, but that's the way it is. If you don't like the law, you have to win enough elections to win enough seats to have enough votes to change them.

Rule of Law has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion ---start at your Post # 17 and read forward.

Apparently not in your mind. The authority of the President to use the military to build the wall comes from Title X Statute, which is the Rule of Law applicable to this situation. Under that law there are two different ways a President can use military to build a wall/barriers, 1. is national emergency, which is brief, short-term, temporary, 60 days 2. is counter illegal drug operations, which does not require a "national emergency", can be long-term and continuous to prevent illegal drugs from entering the United States, which at the same time blocks human smuggling corridors at the same time.

Focusing on 1. instead of 2. is as big a mistake as the government shutdown and rescinding DACA 2012 instead of letting it expire in June 2017 with the other two. Mistakes have consequences which is why in a rational world, one tries to avoid them. It's why we're a Republic instead of a Democracy. It's why we have an Electoral College. It's why we have a Filibuster Rule. It's why US Senators have 6 year terms instead of 2 year terms like the House.

Remember the words of Franklin when he walked out of the Constitutional Convention and was asked by the doctor, do we have a Republic or a Monarchy, and Franklin said "a Republic if you can keep it."

Originally Posted by Judy

Apparently not in your mind. The authority of the President to use the military to build the wall comes from Title X Statute, which is the Rule of Law applicable to this situation. Under that law there are two different ways a President can use military to build a wall/barriers, 1. is national emergency, which is brief, short-term, temporary, 60 days 2. is counter illegal drug operations, which does not require a "national emergency", can be long-term and continuous to prevent illegal drugs from entering the United States, which at the same time blocks human smuggling corridors at the same time.

Focusing on 1. instead of 2. is as big a mistake as the government shutdown and rescinding DACA 2012 instead of letting it expire in June 2017 with the other two. Mistakes have consequences which is why in a rational world, one tries to avoid them. It's why we're a Republic instead of a Democracy. It's why we have an Electoral College. It's why we have a Filibuster Rule. It's why US Senators have 6 year terms instead of 2 year terms like the House.

Remember the words of Franklin when he walked out of the Constitutional Convention and was asked by the doctor, do we have a Republic or a Monarchy, and Franklin said "a Republic if you can keep it."

All of that to avoid the discussion,,,,

You said this
Trump tweeted on the 19th of December that he would use the military to build the wall.

There was never any reason for the government shutdown.

You post statements like that when you are trying to convince people the wall will be built, that Trump is getting the job done.

Then when someone reminds you that it isn't being built, you come back with

Trump didn't say it. It was the Pentagon who said it a month or so ago. They said that under Title X law, they could build the walls/barriers to deal with a national emergency or to counter illegal drug operations.

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

All of that to avoid the discussion,,,,

You said this
Trump tweeted on the 19th of December that he would use the military to build the wall.

There was never any reason for the government shutdown.

You post statements like that when you are trying to convince people the wall will be built, that Trump is getting the job done.

Then when someone reminds you that it isn't being built, you come back with

Trump didn't say it. It was the Pentagon who said it a month or so ago. They said that under Title X law, they could build the walls/barriers to deal with a national emergency or to counter illegal drug operations.

No, I'm not. I'm not a big fan of the wall and have never been. I support it, but I'm not a fan of it. I'm sorry that we need such a thing. I would like to see the problem solved another way, but there doesn't seem to be one, I really didn't like the concrete wall, I do like that American-made Steel Bollard Fencing and especially the Picket Fence new version with the spikey tops. I'm good with the wall, but I didn't vote for Trump or support him over a wall. I guess for some people, that's the only reason they voted for him which is why they aren't excited like I am about all the other wonderful things he's accomplished for our country and citizens while he's still trying to figure out how to end illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration without having enough votes in Congress to pass his legislative plan to do so.

Judy wrote (excerpt):

Focusing on 1. instead of 2. is as big a mistake as the government shutdown and rescinding DACA 2012 instead of letting it expire in June 2017 with the other two. Mistakes have consequences which is why in a rational world, one tries to avoid them. It's why we're a Republic instead of a Democracy. It's why we have an Electoral College. It's why we have a Filibuster Rule. It's why US Senators have 6 year terms instead of 2 year terms like the House.

DACA was never set to expire. There was no expiration date or sunset on Obama's DACA program and evidence of that fact has been shown to you on several occasions. Don't know why you continue to push such fiction because continuing the falsehood doesn't serve you or Trump.

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

All of that to avoid the discussion,,,,

You said this
Trump tweeted on the 19th of December that he would use the military to build the wall.

There was never any reason for the government shutdown.

You post statements like that when you are trying to convince people the wall will be built, that Trump is getting the job done.

Then when someone reminds you that it isn't being built, you come back with

Trump didn't say it. It was the Pentagon who said it a month or so ago. They said that under Title X law, they could build the walls/barriers to deal with a national emergency or to counter illegal drug operations.

It's called obfuscation. Judy is an expert at that.

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote (excerpt):



DACA was never set to expire. There was no expiration date or sunset on Obama's DACA program and evidence of that fact has been shown to you on several occasions. Don't know why you continue to push such fiction because continuing the falsehood doesn't serve you or Trump.

Really?!!! If it didn't expire then why was the 2 year program renewed in 2014 for 3 more years?

Originally Posted by Judy

Really?!!! If it didn't expire then why was the 2 year programt renewed in 2014 for 3 more years?

I repeat, the program never had an actual expiration date. Each member had to remain eligible to renew at the required time, but the program itself had no written expiration or sunset date. As long as a DACA member remained eligible he or she could renew. Are you confusing the actual program itself with the members individual term before required renewal? Are we talking about two separate things here? Like I said, the overall program had no written expiration or sunset date.

When Obama unsuccessfully attempted to change the renewal of EADs from two to three years and broaden the immigrant group that would be eligible, it had nothing to do with the overall expiration date of the program itself. He was just attempting to renew EADs for three vice two years. Of course as we know the EAD extension was shot down in court.

Once again, the program has no expiration date and a qualifying member of the program receives a 2 year EAD, however, since the DACA program has no expiration date a person can repeatedly reapply until the program is officially ended.

Originally Posted by MW

I repeat, the program never had an actual expiration date. Each member had to remain eligible to renew at the required time, but the program itself had no written expiration or sunset date. As long as a DACA member remained eligible he or she could renew. Are you confusing the actual program itself with the members individual term before required renewal? Are we talking about two separate things here? Like I said, the overall program had no written expiration or sunset date.

When Obama unsuccessfully attempted to change the renewal of EADs from two to three years and broaden the immigrant group that would be eligible, it had nothing to do with the overall expiration date of the program itself. He was just attempting to renew EADs for three vice two years. Of course as we know the EAD extension was shot down in court.

Once again, the program has no expiration date and a qualifying member of the program receives a 2 year EAD, however, since the DACA program has no expiration date a person can repeatedly reapply until the program is officially ended.

Yes, it did, which is why DACA Expansion and DAPA were ended that way, DACA 2012 could have been ended the same way and should have been. There would have been no lawsuit had that happened.

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, it did, which is why DACA Expansion and DAPA were ended that way, DACA 2012 could have been ended the same way and should have been. There would have been no lawsuit had that happened.

DAPA and the 3 year EAD extension attempt was ended by the courts, not an expiration date! Talking to you is like conversing with a wall at times.