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    More foreign labor won't be the result of what Trump is doing, it will be less. John Binder got it wrong. He read a tweet but didn't understand what it said.

    H1B's already have a pathway to citizenship. They are all eligible for a green card. The green card is the pathway to citizenship. Under the present system according to our Rule of Law, they are eligible for green cards, so they apply for them and wait in line like everyone else, in the meantime, under the Rule of Law, they can renew their H1B a year at a time while they wait for a determination on their green card application which can take years. While they are in this limbo, employers take advantage of them to undercut American Workers and enjoy a tax advantage. When the H1B gets their green card, they are no longer taken advantage of by their employers because they have certainty in their position, demand higher wages or leave and go work for someone else. As a result they no longer undercut American Workers. Unless companies can save by hiring H1B's for long periods of time, there is no advantage to the employer to hire these foreign workers, so they'll hire Americans which reduces H1B's being used and increases good jobs for Americans at higher wages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    More foreign labor won't be the result of what Trump is doing, it will be less. John Binder got it wrong. He read a tweet but didn't understand what it said.

    H1B's already have a pathway to citizenship. They are all eligible for a green card. The green card is the pathway to citizenship. Under the present system according to our Rule of Law, they are eligible for green cards, so they apply for them and wait in line like everyone else, in the meantime, under the Rule of Law, they can renew their H1B a year at a time while they wait for a determination on their green card application which can take years. While they are in this limbo, employers take advantage of them to undercut American Workers and enjoy a tax advantage. When the H1B gets their green card, they are no longer taken advantage of by their employers because they have certainty in their position, demand higher wages or leave and go work for someone else. As a result they no longer undercut American Workers. Unless companies can save by hiring H1B's for long periods of time, there is no advantage to the employer to hire these foreign workers, so they'll hire Americans which reduces H1B's being used and increases good jobs for Americans at higher wages.
    Always the apologist.

    Anything to get elected. Flashback to Trump's own words on H-1B during the campaign:

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    GOP front-runner Donald Trump said the H-1B hurts American-born workers and that he would end it outright. U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio said the program needs to be better policed, while Sen. Ted Cruz simply said the U.S. needs to update its immigration laws for the 21st century.

    “I know the H-1B very well. … We shouldn’t have it; it’s very, very bad for workers,” said Trump, with Cruz on his left and Rubio on his right during the CNN-sponsored debate, the last before crucial primaries next week in Florida, Ohio, Illinois, North Carolina and Missouri. Rubio said that if a company is caught abusing the H-1B, “they should never be allowed to use it again.”
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    Fox News needs to start re-running Trumps own words back to him!



    WHAT HAPPENED TO AMERICAN'S FIRST?

    NO H1-B WORKERS...START SHIPPING THEM OUT!
    ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM

    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beezer View Post
    Fox News needs to start re-running Trumps own words back to him!



    WHAT HAPPENED TO AMERICAN'S FIRST?

    NO H1-B WORKERS...START SHIPPING THEM OUT!
    You're right. Trump was inconsistent on a number of issues during the campaign. Sometimes I didn't know where he was coming from one day to the next.

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    GOP front-runner Donald Trump said the H-1B hurts American-born workers and that he would end it outright.

    “I know the H-1B very well. … We shouldn’t have it; it’s very, very bad for workers,” said Trump,
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    There it is for all the world to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    GOP front-runner Donald Trump said the H-1B hurts American-born workers and that he would end it outright.

    “I know the H-1B very well. … We shouldn’t have it; it’s very, very bad for workers,” said Trump,
    -------------------------
    There it is for all the world to see.


    BIGLY
    ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM

    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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    What next Trump...work visa's for their wives and family members? Citizenship for their babies?

    Free pass to break our laws? Free healthcare, welfare, food stamps, school, housing, college education funds?

    How about Door Number Two Monty Hall...free car, electric, water, cable TV and internet too?


    IS THIS THE REAL "LET'S MAKE A DEAL" TO SELL OUT AMERICA????









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    While we're on the subject, it appears Trump was also an abuser of the H-1B visas program prior to becoming President:


    Trump Agency pays foreign model wages below poverty line

    Mar18

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    Donald Trump has made several loud statements in opposition to immigration. In fact, on his website you can find a section titled “Put America’s Workers First,” with a subsection on increasing prevailing wages for H-1B’s. It’s a pretty typical move, but what Mr. Trump seems to have forgotten is that his own company, Trump Model Management, has been using the H-1B visa for years to lure in exotic models and pass them through the border without a hitch. He has hired roughly 30 foreign models in the past 8 years.

    The basis of an H-1B visa is to have workers from foreign countries come to America only after a specific company requests them personally, promises to pay a certain wage, and goes through the paperwork process through the USCIS and Department of Labor. Trump’s agency went through all of the steps, but as model Alexia Palmer, a recipient of Trump’s “generosity” points out, they do not always keep up their end of the bargain.
    The company petitioning for the H-1B visa on behalf of the foreign employee must pay the employee either the promised amount submitted on the application or the “prevailing wage” as determined by the Department of Labor, whichever is higher. The prevailing wage is the lowest amount the employee can be paid. Trump’s agency stated on their application, which is signed under penalty of perjury, that Palmer would be paid $75,000 per year. The prevailing wage was $45,000. The reality of the situation? Palmer was paid roughly $30,000…in a total of three years. Even if, as Trump’s spokespeople have stated, Palmer did not bring in the number of jobs they’d hoped for, the agency is still legally required to pay her the $75,000 a year. They not only broke the law, they paid an immigrant who is legally bound to work for only Trump Model management as a condition of her visa a wage below the poverty line ($11,770/yr as of 2015). And so begins the lawsuit.



    So Trump fudged some paperwork, it’s been said that the number given was a “guesstimate,” and this woman is barely being paid enough to live in the US. Now Trump has the audacity to put on his website that the US should “increase prevailing wages for H-1Bs” When he himself doesn’t pay the current prevailing wage? If he thinks people will pay a higher prevailing wage as a way to put more Americans to work, he should really look in a mirror. Increasing the prevailing wage will almost certainly cause more people to “fudge” on the application and then just pay whatever they want to pay, just as Trump did. This is not an isolated instance and is actually common with these types of visas. These occurrences are likely to grow once the prevailing wage is higher. So what do you think about his H-1B plan? Leave your comments below.

    Original CNN story
    Trump’s site on Immigration Reform
    Written by: Bailey Nunez

    https://friendoftheimmigrant.wordpre...overty-line-2/

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    SHUT THE WHOLE PROGRAM DOWN!

    WE HAVE OUR OWN BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE AND OUR OWN "BEST AND BRIGHTEST"!
    ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM

    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    While we're on the subject, it appears Trump was also an abuser of the H-1B visas program prior to becoming President:


    Trump Agency pays foreign model wages below poverty line

    Mar18

    by friendoftheimmigrant



    Donald Trump has made several loud statements in opposition to immigration. In fact, on his website you can find a section titled “Put America’s Workers First,” with a subsection on increasing prevailing wages for H-1B’s. It’s a pretty typical move, but what Mr. Trump seems to have forgotten is that his own company, Trump Model Management, has been using the H-1B visa for years to lure in exotic models and pass them through the border without a hitch. He has hired roughly 30 foreign models in the past 8 years.

    The basis of an H-1B visa is to have workers from foreign countries come to America only after a specific company requests them personally, promises to pay a certain wage, and goes through the paperwork process through the USCIS and Department of Labor. Trump’s agency went through all of the steps, but as model Alexia Palmer, a recipient of Trump’s “generosity” points out, they do not always keep up their end of the bargain.
    The company petitioning for the H-1B visa on behalf of the foreign employee must pay the employee either the promised amount submitted on the application or the “prevailing wage” as determined by the Department of Labor, whichever is higher. The prevailing wage is the lowest amount the employee can be paid. Trump’s agency stated on their application, which is signed under penalty of perjury, that Palmer would be paid $75,000 per year. The prevailing wage was $45,000. The reality of the situation? Palmer was paid roughly $30,000…in a total of three years. Even if, as Trump’s spokespeople have stated, Palmer did not bring in the number of jobs they’d hoped for, the agency is still legally required to pay her the $75,000 a year. They not only broke the law, they paid an immigrant who is legally bound to work for only Trump Model management as a condition of her visa a wage below the poverty line ($11,770/yr as of 2015). And so begins the lawsuit.



    So Trump fudged some paperwork, it’s been said that the number given was a “guesstimate,” and this woman is barely being paid enough to live in the US. Now Trump has the audacity to put on his website that the US should “increase prevailing wages for H-1Bs” When he himself doesn’t pay the current prevailing wage? If he thinks people will pay a higher prevailing wage as a way to put more Americans to work, he should really look in a mirror. Increasing the prevailing wage will almost certainly cause more people to “fudge” on the application and then just pay whatever they want to pay, just as Trump did. This is not an isolated instance and is actually common with these types of visas. These occurrences are likely to grow once the prevailing wage is higher. So what do you think about his H-1B plan? Leave your comments below.

    Original CNN story
    Trump’s site on Immigration Reform
    Written by: Bailey Nunez

    https://friendoftheimmigrant.wordpre...overty-line-2/
    That's old news. That was posted during the campaign.
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