Thread: concern about the Alipac message

Originally Posted by AmyCarter

If I were the moderator, I would filter and block posts that included the words conservative, liberal, leftist, patriotic, unamerican, god, aclu, and feinstein.

Just my two cents.

This type of commentary scares me above all that I have read, internet wide. To stifle peoples political opinion and censor them is above all authoritarian. This is EXACTLY what has happened in the history of illegal immigration, constant censorhsip. What this poster is asking, is talk of the issue of illegal imigration as if it is some sort of stand alone item, like a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from a primered '87 Monte Carlo's mirror. Not the complicated issue it is. Since the collectivst hordes love analogies and no doubt are feeding from this salt lick, I would say this poster and other disruptors tend to make statments that you would here from a student in a for profit school. It is akin to a student saying at the very beginning of a class, on the first day: "We are supposed to be building an advanced simulation of computer architecture, not learning about Hierarchical Architecture Simulation Environments theory and tools! Let's just build a sim!" But in reality this is just a disruption attempt.

If anyone were to take this advice as a constructive element I would fear them as well. Again I don't think that these collectivist disruptors have things quite figured out correctly. Americans who are Constitutionally inclined do not fear liberty and discussion. I have found that collectivists love to express themsleves than try and silence everyone who would respond to them.

To this poster:

The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted. ~Jonathon Green

This quote nails this posters intent here:

"A censor is a man who knows more than he thinks you ought to."
-- Granville Hicks

I don't see the constant call for the original poster as important. Their purpose of this thread was disruption. It acted like a bug light in a positive way because it brought all of the opportunists out of the shadows and into the sunshine of "hey lets slander ALIPAC without proof and mask it as concern."

As I mentioned before this is good training as it will increase exponentially as the election approaches and a democratic candidate is selected. People who speak the truth have made many enemies on the new right and left. The GOP plans, from what I understand, to go after organizations like ALIPAC once a two person race is confirmed. We will see many attempts at disrupting our online public facing image, by folks who are fueled with hate and contempt.

As far as complaints about censorship goes, ALIPAC is highly censored. Probably more than any board I have ever seen. This I believe is due to it being a Political Action Organization. It is ALIPAC's success that causes open borders advocates, collectivists, Rino's and racist ethnic nationalist socilaists to want it to be silenced.

Originally Posted by PhredE

Yeah, I know about him/the book. I don't think I've seen that video, but have seen a couple of his interviews about it on Beck, and a few other misc. places as well.

Re: the point you're making about it - oh, yes, for sure, the progressive crowd has their own variety of fascism - although I probably wouldn't call it 'fascisim' per se.

I would term it something like:
unconditional political correctness+authoritarianism+extreme egocentrism (the 'me, me me' mindset). That is it's own form of fascistic thinking I suppose

Or populist autoritarianism. Collectivism vs Liberty is what it boils down to. Any person who wishes to use the government to force an individual to behave contrary to the declared and established rights of that individual is authoritarian. I believe there are no left wing right wing truthful designations, this is only useful to engage in a common discussion using common semantics. Facism is a pejorative term used colloquially in place of authoritarian. It simply is a national system that places the needs, or rights of the individual below the needs of the state. Any person, regardless of their popular culture label who wishes to strip away the individualty and desire of liberty of a person, then institutionalize this for the sake of the nation (or larger poltical entity) is promting a facist ideology.

Communism is in fact a facist practice. Socialism is a facist practice. But I think the colloquial uses of the term can be derived from say what Mussolini, Hitler, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, King Fahd etc. engaged in to deny the rights of men. Some even arrogantly attempted to define it themsleves. Collectivsts are all the same in that they want to limit the growth, hopes and desires of the individiual for the sake of the state. Collectivists wish make the state god.

Liberty is to the collective body, what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society.
Thomas Jefferson