Thread: Imus cannot be compared with rappers.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

I doubt if you have and why have you? Let you tell it you've done a little of everything. Blow it out. I do not have anything in this except being fair.

Blow it out? I think that you have just engaged in a major violation of site rules, my friend. You have also just called me a liar without any justification whatsoever.

For your edification, I have worked with numerous black artists, a number of whom are rappers. In the rap category, I worked with M.C. Hammer for almost a year, with Snoop Dog on his MTV show, Doggy Fizzle Televizzle, and as designer of his home studio, with Mos Def and Beyonce Knowles on the "hip-hopera" of Carmen, and with various others, mostly on music videos. When you are among the best at what you do, you get requested for various gigs that you pretty much have to do to keep the people who hire you considering you as a go-to guy. Eventually, however, my ethics got the better of me and I got out of that end of the business because I didn't like the people I had to associate with or the mindset that pervaded the industry.

Be careful who you cast aspersions at, "dyehard." You never know who you may actually be talking to on an anonymous forum.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

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quote="CrocketsGhost"]

Originally Posted by Neese

I'd like to dedicate this rap to all the ALIPACer's out there...

Out in the desert
gonna get me some order
I'll pack up my lawn chair
and head to the border

Puh-puh-puh...puh-puh-puh-puh...

Dialing on the cell phone
talking in the danger zone

BP's on the way
Illegals gonna get away

Puh-puh-puh...puh-puh-puh-puh...

Dyehard's on the website
gettin Crocket uptight...

Sis is really getting pissed...
Neese is leavin' before she gets dissed.

Puh-puh-puh...puh-puh-puh-puh...

Night yo! Word to your motha'...

Okay, so we have established that Neese is NOT black...

Ain't no body afraid of Crocket and Dyhard is not black either. He must be an awful little man to have to talk so biiiiiiig to make himself look biiiiiiiiiiig.
I am a little old fat Native Americans granny raised by a black family and I have fought battles much bigger than Crocket. Bring it on Crocket. We can discuss the topic without attacking each other. If you prefer to attack and not discuss then I am not in the race.

1) Nobody said anything about anyone being afraid of anyone.

2) No one said you were black.

3) You again choose to engage in personal attacks rather than backing up your drivel.

4) If "we" can discuss the topic without attacking each other, then YOU are going to have to do a vastly better job of proving that YOU can uphold your end of the deal.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

HERE are some of those "real" lyrics that "dyehard" is defending so passionately. **Not for the fainthearted!**

Well, dyehard, how do you defend these lyrics in context? I can find hundreds of rap songs with equally offensive and indefensible lyrics, but I guess you'll continue to defend them as art just as you defend Islamic extremism as religious expression.

I ask again, [quote:2m9v2o2a]what the hell are you doing at this site

other than defending the indefensible and taking unjustified jabs at the dominant culture?

Just being fair. Something you are not willing to do. DO NOT LISTEN TO RAPPERS. I DON'T.

Double standards? You got that right. White people can produce movies that are XXX rated, even pornographic, with all the same language that black rappers and comedians use plus show them on television, even use children in some of them and make lots of money. No one complains. Is is because blacks are making money also? All you have to do is not watch them and rappers music ,you do not have to listen to. If you want rappers and comedians to stop using the language you have to want movies producers and actors stop the XXX rated movies. I don’t listen to rappers music and I don’t watch XXX rated movies. But I do watch some of the news channels and do not want to hear racist language while I expect the news. Imus is no comedian. If he is the last laugh is on him.,It is hard to find a movie that do not have explicit sex scenes and four letter words. For instance, “Little Miss Sunshine” is one of my favorite movies that I watched with my grandchildren and the child won an award. Now that is disgusting. I hear no complaints. Rappers do not use childern in their songs or their videos. And I doubt if they have as much influence as you seem to believe. Now real serial killer and child preditors do.
I do not like any of them and do not support any of them. Just be fair.[/quote:2m9v2o2a]

Pornographic movies are not on the public airwaves. Rap is. Imus was. Pornography cannot be compared in that regard.

You are race baiting, pure and simple. Your need to defend black rappers if far too great for you to have any objectivity. This is the same thing you demonstrated in your absurdist defenses of radical Islam.

You repeatedly defer to the pathetic tactic of moral equivalency. Pointing out another wrong does not justify the wrong you defend. Neither I nor anyone else here is defending pornography. Because the courts have chosen to defend pornography so long as it is in private (for example, on a subscription service such as cable or pay per view, in magazines and books, and in movie theaters in which the rating is plainly displayed), it is a separate topic from words and images that are carried on the public airwaves and thereby sink into the public consciousness. That's what sets apart comments made by Imus and the lyrics of rap songs that can be heard blaring from cars or accidentally dialed up on your radio. But because you are desperately seeking a defense of the indefensible, you make untenable arguments by bringing unrelated topics into the discussion.

For the record, I would love to see the regulation of pornography returned to the community level, just as are alcohol sales, prostitution ordinances and those governing vices. That way, someone who is morally opposed to porn could move to a place where it is banned outright, while those who can't manage to get by without it can move to someplace like San Francisco. I doubt that a common ssense approach like that would ever be accepted, given that the purveyors of trash would buy off whoever they had to buy off to maintain universal market access.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Go ahead and blame the black man for every thing. He is just guilty of being black.

Actually, I think that what we have going on here is that some of us want to hold SOME black people who are guilty of hateful, racist and offensive speech to blame for SOMETHING, while you insist that we may not hold them accountable for ANYTHING. THAT is the root of this debate.

What you are doing is AGAIN engaging in making this a race issue where it is a public decency and decorum issue. To mind mind, you are engaging in nothing short of race baiting. It seems that there is someone like you who chimes in with the "you only hate him because he's black" crap anytime any offense committed by a black person is discussed. Sorry, but being black is not a defense for every misdeed any more than it is a basis for determining guilt. The race card has been overplayed yet again.

DYE

something is very strange here with your posts.

YOU are supporting the very people who are trying to get AMNESTY for ILLEGALS.

Hadn't you heard? Sharpton and Jackson are pushing for AMNESTY.

Do you have an agenda here, Dye? Do you not see your hypocrisy?

Taking out your race baiting attempts, let's get back to AMNESTY.
Anyone who supports those who supprt AMNESTY for ILLEGALS definitely is suspect, imho.

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

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b]Revel in your victimhood, dyehard.

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I am not a victim.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

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b]Revel in your victimhood, dyehard.

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I am not a victim.

Correct!

Originally Posted by dyehard39

I am not a victim.

I'm glad to hear that, dyehard.

Could you explain why you insist on sounding like one?

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

DYE

something is very strange here with your posts.

YOU are supporting the very people who are trying to get AMNESTY for ILLEGALS.

Hadn't you heard? Sharpton and Jackson are pushing for AMNESTY.

Do you have an agenda here, Dye? Do you not see your hypocrisy?

Taking out your race baiting attempts, let's get back to AMNESTY.
Anyone who supports those who supprt AMNESTY for ILLEGALS definitely is suspect, imho.

Amnesty is one thing and racism is another. I am not supporting Sharpton or Jackson and never did.

What I am hearing is that it is ok to have x rated movies but not x rated music. If you don’t see the difference between “foul” language, “stupid remarks” and “racist remarks", then we have a big problem in this country. Stupid things can be said about different races of people and still not be racist. People make stupid remarks, like Rush, about women, black women and liberals but there are not racist. Foul language is used in movies and by some comedians and rappers. But nappy headed ho said by a white man about a group of black women is racist and not stupid language. By him thinking it was fully is racist. A rapper calling a ho a ho is a fact.
Comedians like Jeff Foxworthy make jokes about rednecks and it is not racist. Mancia make joke about Hispanics and they are not racist.

You are right it is time to get back to illegal immigration and lets not make it about race. I have seen a lot of racist remarks about Hispanics or atleast sterotyping.
We can only go so far on this subject and then it becomes argumentive and no longer have a point.

Dyehard quote:

But nappy headed ho said by a white man about a group of black women is racist and not stupid language

Hold up. This is exactly what my issue is with the whole racism thing. It either is, or it either isn't wrong... period. So if a black man said the same words, it would be alright? Ignorant, rude, racist, whatever...call it what you'd like. It is either right or wrong.

I am also curious as to why you included the word "fat" when describing yourself. I thought that was odd thing to say. An interesting twist to our perspective on describing people. Was that necessary?