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    Where are those contribution figures from? They aren't accurate for me. I've had my stuff mod editied too. It's probably nothing against the poster, just that these boards are harvested for material by enemies of ALIPAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
    Where are those contribution figures from? They aren't accurate for me. I've had my stuff mod editied too. It's probably nothing against the poster, just that these boards are harvested for material by enemies of ALIPAC.
    Not in this case Betsy, I read the post before it was edited, there was NOTHING wrong with it.
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    I don't remember all the rules and their application sometimes bewilders me. Long ago I had something edited because, I was told, I had posted a link to stormfront. I not only have no memory of doing that, I would never cite them for any reason except as something to gawk at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
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    HighlanderJuan, I can't find what you mod edit

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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9787DCO0

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Sidoti for the AP (is anyone keeping a list of names?)
    An e-mail apparently in wide circulation... alleges that Obama's birth certificate is fake.

    In an argument popular on the Internet, Obama's critics claim he is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural-born citizen," as the Constitution requires. Critics assert that his Hawaiian birth certificate, which Obama's campaign posted online last summer, isn't authentic and that Obama was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

    A federal judge threw out a lawsuit questioning Obama's citizenship and said the case was a waste of the court's time. But that hasn't stopped such allegations.

    In February, an Alabama newspaper reported that Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., was asked during a constituent meeting whether the Obama citizenship rumor was true. According to the account, he said, "Well, his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven't seen any birth certificate. ... You have to be born in America to be president." Shelby's aides later said the senator had also said he was confident Obama is a citizen [just not a "natural born citizen"].

    Florida Rep. Bill Posey, a Republican, has drafted legislation that would require presidential candidates to submit their birth certificates, a move Democrats say is intended to question Obama's citizenship. Posey's measure led the Florida Democratic Party chairwoman, Karen Thurman, to send a fundraising e-mail accusing Republicans of "smearing" Obama
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    Hey, I'll take it. She put the controversy out where people can hear about it and investigate it on their own.

    "There is no bad publicity." Even scorn and scoffing are better than a "cone of silence" or a media blackout.
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    Maybe the resigning CEO of General Motors should be among the first to do some research, eh?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/bigMoney ... 9020090331

    Interesting commentary by a reader after this published item:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... er-sa.html

    Obama did Gettlefinger and the unions a favor by getting rid of their biggest opposition. If the government would have let them go bankrupt and restructure (settling the legacy costs like pension plans etc..)this would have been a lot more beneficial. There is no way GM or Chrysler can be profittable with all of the legacy costs associated with the UAW. I smell a rat. Anyone remember how much the UAW and their PAC contributed to the Obama campaign? Pay to play is alive and well in Washington and that is very disturbing. Forcing a man to resign (basically holding a gun to the BOD's heads if he doesn't resign) because he can't come up with a plan that Obama like is ridiculous. NOBODY will be able to come up with a plan to return GM to profittablity, Obama just blackmailed the BOD's to get rid of this guy to appease the UAW. We shouldn't have bailed them out to begin with but that's what everyone wanted. Congratulations. The government can never run anything efficiently and everyone knows it. Why not let the market run it's course? Toyota, Honda or one of the other foreign automakers would have eventually bought the facilities and employed American workers....it's not like the jobs wouldn't eventually return. Now American taxpayers are throwing money away to keep the UAW happy because the President is bought and paid for....calling it like I see it. You keep drinking from the everlasting fountain of HOPE and CHANGE. I HOPE our President & his administration CHANGEs some of their policies or we are all in big trouble!



    Posted by: fred fulsom | Mar 31, 2009 9:46:37 AM
    And on the general topic of fired CEO's, the list grows as noted by this further astute reader/commenter:

    He wasn't the First CEO to Lose his Job nor will it the Last CEO Fired for Poor Business Dealings.

    Have any of you SEEN the Walk away Bonus Millions these CEO's get..Hmmm

    He'll be Set For LIFE and you'll bemoan his Firing as if he's going to the Unemployment Line, or some Soup Kitchen, when he'll be going to a Gated Community and 20 Million Dollars or More, for Destroying the American Auto Industry..

    Please, Spare me, your Sob Stories on this OUTGOING CEO or any other [[FIRED CEO]]

    1. Merrill CEO John Thain (fired after bailout and troubles surfaced)

    2. Citi CEO Chuck Prince (resigned after troubles surfaced)

    3. AIG CEO Robert Willumstad (fired after bailout)

    4. Wachovia CEO Ken Thompson (fired after takeover/bailout)

    5. Washington Mutual CEOs Kerry Killinger & Alan Fishman (fired after bailout )

    6. Bear Stearns CEO James Cayne (fired after implicit bailout engineered by Govt. and JP Morgan)

    7. Freddie Mac CEO Richard Syron (fired after bailout )

    8. Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld (resigned after trouble surfaced)

    9. Fannie Mae CEO Daniel Mudd (fired after bailout )

    10. Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozillo (resigned after trouble surfaced)

    Posted by: O. | Mar 31, 2009 4:15:09 AM
    They'll probably all just accept the soft landings of their multi-million compensation packages, rather than question the fundamental legitimacy of the CEO of the United States (a/k/a POTUS) in taking the steps to nationalize a/k/a socialize their firms via taxpayer-financed acquisitions a/k/a bailouts. But, the point remains, every individual who encounters a unique "harm" through POTUS' executive action would likely have standing, particularly if the harm is economic.

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    BORN IN THE USA?

    WND Exclusive - BORN IN THE USA?
    Citizen grand jury indicts Obama
    Groups in 20 more states reviewing eligibility claims

    Posted: March 31, 2009
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    President Obama has been named in dozens of civil lawsuits alleging he is not eligible to be president, with one man even filing a criminal complaint alleging the commander-in-chief is a fraud, and now a citizen grand jury in Georgia has indicted the sitting president.

    The indictment delivered to state and federal prosecutors yesterday is one of the developments in the dispute over Obama's eligibility to be president under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that presidents be "natural born" citizens.

    Orly Taitz, a California attorney working on several of the civil actions, also announced she has filed another Quo Warranto case in the District of Columbia, where, she told WND, the statutes acknowledge that procedure.

    The Quo Warranto claim essentially calls on Obama to explain by what authority he has assumed the power of the presidency.

    Georgia resident Carl Swensson, whose work is detailed on his RiseUpForAmerica.org website, told WND he got tired of the issues over Obama's eligibility, as well as his performance in office.

    "I took it upon myself to find as many patriots as I could across the state, for the purpose of seating 25 for a grand jury," he said.

    Over the weekend the jurors took sworn testimony from several sources, including Taitz, and then generated an indictment that later was forwarded to the U.S. attorney, the state attorney general and others in law enforcement across the state.

    Swensson cites on his website as authority for the grand jury the Magna Carta, the bill of rights that formed the foundation of British common law on which U.S. law is based.

    He said the members were chosen, sworn in and observed all of the rules of procedure. Swensson declined to elaborate on the specific allegations about Obama, telling WND that remains confidential at this point because of the possibility of a prosecution.

    However, the website explanation of the procedure includes some intimidating language.

    "If the government does not amend the error within 40 days after being shown the error, then the four members shall refer the matter to the remainder of the grand jury," it says. "The grand jury may distrain and oppress the government in every way in their power, namely, by taking the homes, lands, possessions, and any way else they can until amends shall have been made according to the sole judgment of the grand jury."

    Swensson said the indictments were delivered to the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, state officials and leaders of the Georgia Senate and House.

    He told WND that since the action in Georgia, he's been contacted by groups in at least 20 other states who want to pursue a similar action.

    Meanwhile, Taitz told WND she has forwarded to U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Taylor in Washington, D.C., a request for the U.S. to relate Quo Warranto "on Barack Hussein Obama, II to test his title to president."

    Named as plaintiffs in the action are nine military or legislative leaders, including Allen C. James, currently on active duty in the U.S. Army in Iraq. Others include several retired military leaders as well as elected state representatives.

    "Relators request that as U.S. Attorney, you institute a Quo Warranto proceeding against Obama under DC Code § 16-3502, and demand that Obama show clear title, proving, with clear and convincing evidence, that he had qualified as president elect," Taitz told Taylor.

    "By each relator's constitutional oath of office, and interest above other citizens and taxpayers, relators submit that they have standing," Taitz wrote.

    "In arguendo of Respondent Obama's burden of proof, motions are submitted requesting mandamus on Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle for evidence, and on Sec. State Hillary Rodham Clinton for evidence and to request evidence from Britain and the Republics of Kenya, Indonesia and Pakistan," Taitz said.

    Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 345,000 others and sign up now!

    She told WND the case was filed in the District of Columbia because the district recognizes the procedure. Taitz, who is working on her cases through the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, cites a legal right established in British common law nearly 800 years ago and recognized by the U.S. Founding Fathers to demand documentation that may prove – or disprove – Obama's eligibility to be president.

    She previously submitted a similar case to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.

    The legal phrase essentially means an explanation is being demanded for what authority Obama is using to act as president. An online constitutional resource says Quo Warranto "affords the only judicial remedy for violations of the Constitution by public officials and agents."

    John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution now working with the Foundation on Moral Law, said the demand is a legitimate course
    of action.

    "She basically is asking, 'By what authority' is Obama president," he told WND. "In other words, 'I want you to tell me by what authority. I don't really think you should hold the office.'

    "She probably has some very good arguments to make," Eidsmoe said.

    Rest of the story here: http://tinyurl.com/c5kvja
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    Side note

    As an aside, I have wrestled for a couple of days over my earlier posting being modified, and, as you will note, I have capitulated on my earlier decision to just leave Alipac. I'm back conditionally, and I'm testing the waters.

    My nose is still bent out of shape because my innocent and lawful comments (IMHO) were misinterpreted and struck from my post without consideration or discussion with me. To me, this smacks of unbridled censorship, and I don't approve of censorship in forums of this nature.

    I also don't like the hit and run tactics of the unidentified whiner who asked the mod to strike my comments. For all I know, it could have been another Obamabot who is chartered at keeping all truth and common sense discussions pointed away from his master.

    Because the original complainant remains unidentified, and because the moderator will never identify him or her, you and I will never know who it was. Makes me wish this was open court where I could face my accuser.

    So, after some thought, I believe there are two reasons why these postings might be censored: 1) because they offend poor defenseless Obama, and 2) because they may be used by law enforcement against Alipac. I won't address a possible third reason (retribution on Alipac by Chicago thugs).

    I reject the first reason because Obama is quite knowledgeable in his actions, both good and bad (he is a lawyer and is clearly consciously competent) and he deserves to get the heat when he screws up. Obama is not some sort of protected species, any more than our previous legitimate President Bush was, and in our old country (and maybe what's left of it today), citizens had a right to complain about Jefe's actions, especially if they are viewed as being criminal in nature.

    Regarding reason number two, the First and Second Amendments are there for a reason, and if any law enforcement personnel wants to arrest me for discussing my personal interest in going out to a s-h-o-o-t-i-n-g range, let him/her have a go at it. And, in fact, to make it easy for law enforcement, contact me by pm and I'll tell you exactly how to find me.

    In case no one has noticed, there is a shortage of g-u-n-s and a-m-m-o in sporting goods stores these days because there are millions of people who are really concerned about our lawless government and the degrading economic conditions in America today, and of the clear and present possibilities of a-r-m-e-d c-o-n-f-l-i-c-t in America. OMG!

    Again, and in my opinion, if American citizens aren't awake enough to see the very real problems going on around them, they do themselves and their families a huge disservice by not looking and by not being prepared. But, hey, I guess that's why Darwin is here - to sort out the survivors from the non-survivors.

    I think a topic like First Amendment rights for conservatives might be a good topic for somebody like Glenn Beck to discuss in the open. All of this behind the scenes censorship crap is discouraging, especially while the libs are getting away with their verbal, written, and conspiratorial crapola (Latin for B.S.).

    I'm still waiting for the signs that law enforcement is going after the lawless socialists and statists - the true enemies of our free country, who advertise openly they want certain specific conservatives killed or tried for war crimes (???).

    Speaking of law enforcement, I consider all Americans to be in law enforcement - not just our neighbors who wear the badges. We citizens have slacked off for too long, and now it's up to us to do what we can and help support and enforce our own nation's laws. That's what Orly Taitz is doing. She's doing our job for us. Bless her Russian soul - she's got it - she understands. She's holding lawless people accountable for their actions. That’s more than Congress can boast these days.

    So, the question of the day: Do we have a functioning First Amendment or do we not? If the answer is no, maybe I'll go publish my unedited comments in Pravda as Mark McGrew does. I'm wondering if Russia has a freer press these days than does America. Anybody know?

    Can't have it both ways, folks. We are either a free people or we are slaves. What's it going to be?

    Your call.

    Juan

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    THE OBAMA MACHINE AFFIRMS FEAR OF LOSING OFFICE

    THE OBAMA MACHINE AFFIRMS FEAR OF LOSING OFFICE

    By Lynn Stuter

    April 1, 2009
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    As of this writing, America is 70 days into the Also Known As (AKA) “Obama
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