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    Quote Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
    Stuff like this won't matter even if he is guilty. If he doesn't do something about the jobs scenario, his term will fizzle in this calendar year and so will the political careers of a bunch of Dems. Check out the international mindset rallying against the notion of an American being allowed to earn a living in America: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 847493.cms

    There has been no real job growth for ten years: http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/ ... ade_f.html
    Betsy is right - voters react to pocketbook issues and the "attitude" from the one article (along with its stats about all the EXPORTED jobs flowing to India) coupled with the alarming chart in the second article point to the kind of economic trends that make for voter anger being expressed at the polls. A mood of "Expel Congress" might be brewing.

    Until a major party points to a POSITIVE PLATFORM for addressing what ails, the vast majority of voters aren't going to see a clear and preferred choice that does SOMETHING for THEM. Anger only gets you so far. (Look where anger over Bush/Cheney landed us last fall. Change? Hope? Vague promises to many and, no matter one's views about eligibility, we've ended up with an under-qualified POTUS in terms of any tangible accomplishments except for promoting himself.)

    The planks of that positive platform need to be:

    • * Enforcement of laws respecting immigration such that our nation returns to "Rule of Law" sanity and the domestic labor pool is no longer subjected to the wage/employment distortions caused by porous borders and flaut-the-law attitudes.
      * Getting OUT of the nationalization / socialization / big-time bailout "Business" which relies on running up the debt, putting printing presses on overdrive, and adds a whole new comma as placeholder for all the zeros on the annual deficit.
      * Regulatory overhaul (and enforcement) of the Financial Sector to restore the now-lost "trust" of investors -- both domestic and foreign -- about what transpires on Wall Street. Bring back Glass-Steagall, for starters.
      * A bigger "voice" in economic policy given to the manufacturing and service sector in cabinet and advisory posts in D.C. and far LESS WEIGHT given over to the bankers on Wall St. -- the decline of Britain as a power was marked by the same kind of over-reliance on its financial sector and diminution of its manufacturing sector back in the day.


    The list could go on and on.

    I don't invest much optimism in the newly discovered document being authenticated. Several things look bogus to me. For starters: That "Republic of Kenya" name entered at the bottom of the form may not have been in use in early 1964 since their Constitutional adoption date making them a Republic was not until the end of that same year. My further research after someone in another BC posting questioned it found the initial year of their independence from Dec. of '63 to Dec. of '64 seems to have found Kenya calling itself a "Dominion" until the political parties got formed and the actual structure of their governmental future got figured out. Only a check of contemporaneous BC's issued to others after independence but before December 1964 would confirm what Standardized Form was in use.

    As a practical matter, if Obama were to get some magical "booting" out of office because Kenyan documents get authenticated, that would leave us with what? Joe BIDEN? That'd be a trade-off of a non-NBC POTUS (and "citizen of the world") with an all-American DOOFUS. (The only hope would be that he'd feel so chastised about the comeuppance of his running mate, he might become a Do Nothing lame duck.) It's the stuff of classic Pick Your Poison options. And if Biden were somehow tainted for being part of a ticket deemed ineligible, then what. President PELOSI?

    Make no mistake: I think that SCOTUS needs to rule about the definition of natural born citizen and end the "fog" that has surrounded candidate qualifications not just in this year, but over the years. (Going back even further than the questions about AuH2O in '64.) And the state laws need to tighten things up to demand documented proofs from candidates instead of self-serving sworn statements that they find themselves "eligible" when they file to run in the primaries. But given the racial and religious connotations surrounding Obama, and the "racial sensitivites" exposed with that whole Gates incident, I'm worried that the political climate would find the Supreme Court making "bad law" if it were to entertain an eligibility case centered on Obama, and needed to issue a ruling now. They already trampled a lot of states' rights and federalist principles with Bush v. Gore the last time they were put into a hurried and rushed and very politicized environment in 2000. Odds, to me, seem to be 5-4 on "bad law" being made that would conflate citizen-at-birth with natural-born-citizen and give the 21st Century a ruling just as bad as Wong Kim Ark gave the end of the 19th.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
    Stuff like this won't matter even if he is guilty. If he doesn't do something about the jobs scenario, his term will fizzle in this calendar year and so will the political careers of a bunch of Dems. Check out the international mindset rallying against the notion of an American being allowed to earn a living in America: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 847493.cms

    There has been no real job growth for ten years: http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/ ... ade_f.html
    Betsy is right - voters react to pocketbook issues and the "attitude" from the one article (along with its stats about all the EXPORTED jobs flowing to India) coupled with the alarming chart in the second article point to the kind of economic trends that make for voter anger being expressed at the polls. A mood of "Expel Congress" might be brewing.

    Until a major party points to a POSITIVE PLATFORM for addressing what ails, the vast majority of voters aren't going to see a clear and preferred choice that does SOMETHING for THEM. Anger only gets you so far. (Look where anger over Bush/Cheney landed us last fall. Change? Hope? Vague promises to many and, no matter one's views about eligibility, we've ended up with an under-qualified POTUS in terms of any tangible accomplishments except for promoting himself.)

    The planks of that positive platform need to be:

    • * Enforcement of laws respecting immigration such that our nation returns to "Rule of Law" sanity and the domestic labor pool is no longer subjected to the wage/employment distortions caused by porous borders and flaut-the-law attitudes.
      * Getting OUT of the nationalization / socialization / big-time bailout "Business" which relies on running up the debt, putting printing presses on overdrive, and adds a whole new comma as placeholder for all the zeros on the annual deficit.
      * Regulatory overhaul (and enforcement) of the Financial Sector to restore the now-lost "trust" of investors -- both domestic and foreign -- about what transpires on Wall Street. Bring back Glass-Steagall, for starters.
      * A bigger "voice" in economic policy given to the manufacturing and service sector in cabinet and advisory posts in D.C. and far LESS WEIGHT given over to the bankers on Wall St. -- the decline of Britain as a power was marked by the same kind of over-reliance on its financial sector and diminution of its manufacturing sector back in the day.


    The list could go on and on.

    I don't invest much optimism in the newly discovered document being authenticated. Several things look bogus to me. For starters: That "Republic of Kenya" name entered at the bottom of the form may not have been in use in early 1964 since their Constitutional adoption date making them a Republic was not until the end of that same year. My further research after someone in another BC posting questioned it found the initial year of their independence from Dec. of '63 to Dec. of '64 seems to have found Kenya calling itself a "Dominion" until the political parties got formed and the actual structure of their governmental future got figured out. Only a check of contemporaneous BC's issued to others after independence but before December 1964 would confirm what Standardized Form was in use.

    As a practical matter, if Obama were to get some magical "booting" out of office because Kenyan documents get authenticated, that would leave us with what? Joe BIDEN? That'd be a trade-off of a non-NBC POTUS (and "citizen of the world") with an all-American DOOFUS. (The only hope would be that he'd feel so chastised about the comeuppance of his running mate, he might become a Do Nothing lame duck.) It's the stuff of classic Pick Your Poison options. And if Biden were somehow tainted for being part of a ticket deemed ineligible, then what. President PELOSI?

    Make no mistake: I think that SCOTUS needs to rule about the definition of natural born citizen and end the "fog" that has surrounded candidate qualifications not just in this year, but over the years. (Going back even further than the questions about AuH2O in '64.) And the state laws need to tighten things up to demand documented proofs from candidates instead of self-serving sworn statements that they find themselves "eligible" when they file to run in the primaries. But given the racial and religious connotations surrounding Obama, and the "racial sensitivites" exposed with that whole Gates incident, I'm worried that the political climate would find the Supreme Court making "bad law" if it were to entertain an eligibility case centered on Obama, and needed to issue a ruling now. They already trampled a lot of states' rights and federalist principles with Bush v. Gore the last time they were put into a hurried and rushed and very politicized environment in 2000. Odds, to me, seem to be 5-4 on "bad law" being made that would conflate citizen-at-birth with natural-born-citizen and give the 21st Century a ruling just as bad as Wong Kim Ark gave the end of the 19th.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    A big reason Obama got so much support among middle class white voters was anger at the Republicans. No way could we have continued on as we were - jobs were bleeding away, salaries stagnant, people living on credit, and all the rich Republicans did was wave at us from their yatchs as we were being carted off to the poor house. Those articles, and many others, show a major sea change in the economy of America, not just that it has been going on for decades, but that it has radically accellerated over the last decade. The orderly, clean, prosperous middle class nation we built up after the last Great Depression is being looted, with plenty of collaborators inside the gate.

    Now, there are tiny signs of hope - Obama seems to have retreated from his rhetoric concerning a temporary H-1B increase to get us going (ten years of H-1Bs flooding the labor market is a fair experiment, and look what that ten years has accomplished for Main Street!). American labor activists are continuing to work to expose the scandals, incompetence, and corruption of the Greenspan crowd. Remember how he said that the problem with America was that skilled people made too much money, and we needed to import vast numbers of workers to bring everybody's salaries down?

    If Obama solves the economy, nobody will care where he was born. If he doesn't, and the job hemorhage continues, it won't matter either.
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    Will do, but it might be ironic to point out something. It's not just the illegal alien supporters who are trying to railroad Lou out of a job. The guestworker visa crowd is in on this too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
    A big reason Obama got so much support among middle class white voters was anger at the Republicans. No way could we have continued on as we were - jobs were bleeding away, salaries stagnant, people living on credit, and all the rich Republicans did was wave at us from their yatchs as we were being carted off to the poor house. Those articles, and many others, show a major sea change in the economy of America, not just that it has been going on for decades, but that it has radically accellerated over the last decade. The orderly, clean, prosperous middle class nation we built up after the last Great Depression is being looted, with plenty of collaborators inside the gate.

    Now, there are tiny signs of hope - Obama seems to have retreated from his rhetoric concerning a temporary H-1B increase to get us going (ten years of H-1Bs flooding the labor market is a fair experiment, and look what that ten years has accomplished for Main Street!). American labor activists are continuing to work to expose the scandals, incompetence, and corruption of the Greenspan crowd. Remember how he said that the problem with America was that skilled people made too much money, and we needed to import vast numbers of workers to bring everybody's salaries down?

    If Obama solves the economy, nobody will care where he was born. If he doesn't, and the job hemorhage continues, it won't matter either.
    Betsy, you are correct. If Obama fixes the economy, the birth issue will be moot. Do you like the direction that he is taking our economy? Let's review a few things that will shed some light on where we are and where we might be going based upon O's campaign promises and actions to date.

    New fiscal responsibility: Takeover, bailouts of our auto industry, financial sector, and if he has his way, our healthcare industry. Trillions in NEW debt. Who's paying for this?

    Open and transparent government: We the people were to be able to review all major bills, provide input through town halls, etc. so that regular people would have their say in how our money was to be spent. Result...bills rammed through in the dark of night, people threatened and bullied if they didn't fall in line..well, you get the point. Oh, by the way, Mr. President, can we have just a little peak at your birth, college and passport records? No?

    An end to partisanship and divisiveness: Republicans completely shut out of discussions in preparing a healthcare bill that will have a major impact on 1/5 of the U.S. economy. Rushing it through, unread by anyone, before the August recess. Dismissing massive rallies across the country (Tea Parties) as extremists and radicals. Increase in incidents of a racial nature ie; Professor Gates. Sotomayor, etc. Name calling, mud slinging, threats ad nauseum.

    A shiny new U.S global reputation: Cozying up to dictators, apologizing for the U.S., insulting our military, giving citizen rights to terrorists, kicking a key ally, Israel to the curb in favor of a Middle Easter dictator. I could go on.

    Tax cheats, communists, crooks, liars and thieves...all being appointed to key cabinet positions. Dozens of "Czars" with NO accountability except to Obama. Constitutional?

    I refuse to fall in lock step with what's happening under this administration and anyone who does should be ashamed! We have socialism being shoved down our throats and are being held in utter and complete contempt by these people.
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    From Orly's website..interesting...why is Secretary Clinton flying today to Nairobi?

    U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE

    Office of the Spokesman
    Daily Appointments Schedule
    Monday, August 3, 2009

    10:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a Secure Video Conference on Iran.

    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    11:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with His Excellency Nasser Judeh, Foreign Minister of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    11:45 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a joint press availability with His Excellency Nasser Judeh, Foreign Minister of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE)

    Pre-set time for cameras:10:30 a.m. from the 23rd Street entrance
    Final access time for all press: 11:00 a.m. from the 23rd Street entrance

    PM depart Andrews Air Force Base en route to Nairobi, Kenya


    THERE WILL BE A DAILY PRESS BRIEFING:

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn
    From Orly's website..interesting...why is Secretary Clinton flying today to Nairobi?
    Because she is the Secretaty of State ?

    What Hillary Clinton seeks to achieve in Africa

    By Howard LaFranchi Howard Lafranchi –
    Tue Aug 4, 5:00 am ET

    Washington – Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton begins a seven-country tour of sub-Saharan Africa Wednesday designed to underscore the Obama administration's priority on improving the continent's stability and development.

    While Secretary Clinton's stated objective is to address issues ranging from regional economic development and education to democratic governance and gender-based violence, another aim will be to bolster relations with resource-rich countries where China has been aggressively extending its presence.

    "The new administration wants to put Africa among the top priorities of its international relations. They want to address the concerns of quite a few countries that were frustrated by Obama's choice of Ghana for his one stop in Africa last month. And then there is the issue of a growing rivalry from China for resources," says Pierre Englebert, an Africa specialist at Pomona College in Claremont, Calif. "Clinton's trip is about trying to kill several birds with one stone."

    Indeed, some diplomatic analysts add to that list Clinton's desire to stake a claim among foreign-policy priorities, since a number of top-rung issues like Middle East peace have been assigned to special envoys.

    Clinton "may be signaling through the scope and timing of her trip that Africa has graduated into a mainstream US foreign-policy priority," says J. Stephen Morrison, director of the Global Health Policy Center at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington. "That would be a significant shift," he adds, "and could begin to right the imbalances of the past that favored the military and other security agencies."

    Clinton begins her trip with a speech in Nairobi, Kenya, on Wednesday at the US-Sub-Saharan Africa Trade and Economic Cooperation Forum. From there she moves on to South Africa, Angola, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Nigeria, Liberia, and Cape Verde.

    While in Nairobi, Clinton will meet with the beleaguered president of Somalia's transitional government, Sheikh Sharif Ahmed, who is battling an Islamist insurgency. Clinton is expected to announce the allocation of additional aid to the Somali government, including in the form of arms to fight the extremists.

    In outlining Clinton's trip, State Department officials said her objective is to demonstrate how the United States wants to "partner" with African countries – in particular with a rising class of young entrepreneurs, educators, farmers, and civic leaders – to further the goals set by President Obama in his July 11 speech in Accra, Ghana.

    One priority in Clinton's stop in South Africa will be to enlist the help of the new president, Jacob Zuma, in pressuring Zimbabwe's president, Robert Mugabe, to fully implement a power-sharing plan that made rival Morgan Tsvangirai the country's prime minister.

    But Clinton's principal foray into conflict resolution, Professor Englebert of Pomona says, will come in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where war in the eastern portion of the country has resulted in an estimated 2 million deaths. Noting that Clinton will focus on the sexual violence in the war, Englebert says, "The US has not given up on the military solution" to a complex conflict involving armies, militias, remnants of the Rwandan civil war, and the United Nations. "What Clinton wants to pressure for is better behavior among the fighters and hope for terrorized victims of violence," he says.

    Mr. Morrison of CSIS calls it "bold" of Clinton to visit "wrecked" eastern Congo and to "put a spotlight on pervasive rape and other forms of violence directed at women and girls." That spotlight, he adds, gives "reality to her claim that gender should occupy a new priority place in US foreign policy."

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    Updated info from Orly's site for those unsure whether it is safe to visit..

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

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