Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

If it turns out that he was really born in Honolulu to an American mother, that settles it.

First of all where's the evidence that Obama was legally adopted by his step father? That would have to be done in a U S court to make it legal in the U S. If they did it in Indonesia it wouldn't be accepted in the U S unless they filed papers to that effect. But where's that evidence? There isn't any.Even if it had been done it wasn't him that did it. It was his step father and mother who did it. No child can lose their citizenship because of something their parents do. So even if they had done it Obama would still be a natural born U S citizen assuming he was born in Hawaii.

This is why documents need to be opened such as his passport from 1981. It has been surmised that he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on this Indonesian citizen passport as well as used his citizenship to gain access to our most prestigious schools. He traveled to Indonesia before heading out to Pakistan. When he came back to Occidental all of a sudden he changed his name from Barry to Barrack.

All documents are sealed - Occidental, Columbia, Harvard Law. How did he get accepted? I've heard by foreign aid - I want the courts to find out.

Originally Posted by Justthatguy

Originally Posted by 93camaro

Justthatguy wrote

So if Obama was adopted by his step father and thus given Indonesian citizenship he would still have U S citizenship natural born status if he was born in Hawaii.

How do you figure when he changed to Indonesian that country doesn't allow dual citizenship, so he would have to relinquish his us citizenship. And even if he got it back it would change from a natural born status to naturalized us citizen which would disqualify him from the presidency. Just watch the video on obamacrimes.com they explain in detail the difference.

First of all where's the evidence that Obama was legally adopted by his step father? That would have to be done in a U S court to make it legal in the U S. If they did it in Indonesia it wouldn't be accepted in the U S unless they filed papers to that effect. But where's that evidence? There isn't any.Even if it had been done it wasn't him that did it. It was his step father and mother who did it. No child can lose their citizenship because of something their parents do. So even if they had done it Obama would still be a natural born U S citizen assuming he was born in Hawaii.

Here is the proof that he enrolled in school in Indonesia as and Indonesian citizen that is what I base this on so far...

HE didn't enroll, his stepfather and mother enrolled him. Indonesia certainly considered him a citizen and a Muslim, but that does not affect his standing vis a vis the United States. Besides, all this happened back when he was a little boy. He was back in the US, to be raised by his American grandparents, by the age of 10.

Any Indonesian citizenship he may have possessed would have expired a long time ago due to his absence from the country and failure to swear loyalty to Indonesia.

Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

HE didn't enroll, his stepfather and mother enrolled him. Indonesia certainly considered him a citizen and a Muslim, but that does not affect his standing vis a vis the United States. Besides, all this happened back when he was a little boy. He was back in the US, to be raised by his American grandparents, by the age of 10.

Any Indonesian citizenship he may have possessed would have expired a long time ago due to his absence from the country and failure to swear loyalty to Indonesia.

Not if he got Issued and Indonesian Passport to travel back to the US. Right?

He had to have a passport to get back but All the real documents are under lock and key or being destroyed and new ones forged, That could be the only reason for the shady behavior.

http://www.americasright.com/2008/11/de ... etary.html

In a press briefing this morning, Deputy White House Press Secretary Tony Fratto ended the briefing by overtly avoiding a question regarding President-elect Barack Obama's birth certificate and demands made by the CEO of WorldNetDaily that a long-form document be released.

Go read it!

Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

HE didn't enroll, his stepfather and mother enrolled him. Indonesia certainly considered him a citizen and a Muslim, but that does not affect his standing vis a vis the United States. Besides, all this happened back when he was a little boy. He was back in the US, to be raised by his American grandparents, by the age of 10.

Any Indonesian citizenship he may have possessed would have expired a long time ago due to his absence from the country and failure to swear loyalty to Indonesia.

I agree with you here, BetsyRoss. Barack Obama II never lost his U.S. citizenship, so long as he returned to the U.S. to live before age 25. The "no dual citizenship" law of Indonesia, a foreign state, does not rescind U.S. citizenship.

U.S. Constitution, Amendment XIV, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...

On the other hand, Leo Donofrio and Devvy Kidd are correct in stating that dual citizenship with Great Britain spoils Barack Obama's "natural born Citizen" status.

U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1: No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

The framers of the Constitution recognized that their status as British subjects excluded them from "natural born citizen" status. As (dual) citizens of the United States, they had to add the clause in bold letters in order to grandfather themselves in as eligible for the presidency.

Originally Posted by 93camaro

Not if he got Issued an Indonesian Passport to travel back to the US. Right?

He had to have a passport to get back, but All the real documents are under lock and key or being destroyed and new ones forged. That could be the only reason for the shady behavior.

This has been going on since January [of 2008]. How long could it possibly take to forge new documents? José down in Matamoros can have a complete set ready in less than an hour.

Have a look at "Dr. Ron Polarik's" analysis of the forged Certification. José can do a better forgery.
(Link updated on Feb. 18, 2009.)
Here is a text document by "Dr. Polarik" debunking the forged Certification.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Originally Posted by 93camaro

Not if he got Issued an Indonesian Passport to travel back to the US. Right?

He had to have a passport to get back, but All the real documents are under lock and key or being destroyed and new ones forged. That could be the only reason for the shady behavior.

This has been going on since January. How long could it possibly take to forge new documents? José down in Matamoros can have a complete set ready in less than an hour.

Have a look at "Dr. Ron Polarik's" analysis of the forged Certification. José can do better.

But where's the evidence that any of these documents have been forged? Yes they could easily be forged. But even if they were they wouldn't match the ones on file. Some guy prints up a phony social security card for example but a check of the records shows it isn't real. A simple check of government records would show they are phony. But how does someone gain access? There's no legal way to do that. You would have to get a court order. But to do that you'd have to have some evidence that soemthing is wrong. But so far there's no evidence. All that stuff on the Internet about the Certification being forged isn't evidence , it was thrown out by several state courts. Speculation, rumors, hearsay are not evidence. Step number one is produce the evidence. Then a court order can be obtained. And the files checked, the documents can then be proven authentic or not.

But if he was born in the US and has citizenship by birth, not naturalization, and he never renounced his citizenship, how does some legal assertion of dual British citizenship via his father change his natural born citizenship standing? The framers of the Constitution were trying to grandfather themselves into citizenship in the new nation. How would that apply to Obama? I don't see some technicallity of his father's British citizenship making any more difference than the Indonesian government's viewing of him as a citizen during the (short) time he lived there.