Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

I think by now, you folks know that I see our children's education (as well, our own) is of critical importance to our nation's survival as a republic. Much of the entries on this Alipac forum are of an educational nature, and that is the prime reason why I stay involved (well, in addition to the fact I like you all so much).

"Is it merely coincidental that the private choice of home schooling was outlawed by the Soviet state in 1919, by Hitler and Nazi Germany in 1938, and by Communist China in 1949?

"Despite the growing public preference for private education, Congress recently canceled the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program, which was created in 2004 to offer students from low-income families in the nation's capital an opportunity to join the voucher educational community. The law provided $14 million in scholarships to help pay for tuition at private schools of their choosing. But no longer.

"Why did Congress nix the program, especially when recent studies showed that students receiving vouchers since the program's inception were academically 18.9 months ahead of their peers? (I read the other day that 100 percent of Thurgood Marshall Academy's charter graduates are accepted to colleges.) And why would Congress phase out a program that costs $7,500 per student annually, compared with the $15,000 it costs in Washington's public schools to educate a child?"

Find the answer to these questions and more in Chuck Norris' article "The Decline and Fall of Private Education" at http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31638.

Note: I could address the fact that government is not chartered to be in the education business at all, and that maybe the cancellation of the the scholarship program by Congress was their attempt at following the law, but I would be naive if I believed that to be true. This lawless Congress is only following the guidelines needed to completely control our personal lives, and is doing nothing to assure our continued freedom. Our government is operating outside our control.

I think it's important for us all to support our people's education, directly as well as through whatever schools we and our children may attend. I am still actively involved in discussions with my own children about financial, economic, political, and historic topics. Hopefully this will help make them much better, more active, and more involved citizens. Government figures may disagree with me, but I believe our long term survival as a republic depends on our people's education and their active involvement in our own government.

If 51% of our voters had been properly educated about government, history, and the political issues, during this last election, we wouldn't have to be working so hard to remove a usurper from the office of the president.

It never would have happened.

But it did happen, and now we're working overtime to limit, prevent, or correct the damage Obama is wreaking on our republic.

Let this never happen again on anybody's watch.

From Col. Riley, I received this forwarded press release. I have no idea how solid this grand jury indictment is or how it will be viewed by the courts. But it seems another round of lawful pursuits of AKA.

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"NATIONAL GRAND JURY INDICTS OBAMA FOR FRAUD AND TREASON" - NEWS RELEASE

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NATIONAL GRAND JURY INDICTS OBAMA FOR FRAUD AND TREASON

No embargo: For immediate release

(United States of America)  April 29th 2009 - At 8 P.M, ET American Grand Jury convened and conducted a hearing with regard to CRIMINAL activity, complaints and allegations presented before said Jury.

After reviewing the evidence and voting, American Grand Jury members from many states issued the documents for presentment to jurisdictions throughout the nation recommending that person(s) known as Barack Obama, aka: Barack Obama, Jr., aka: Barack Hussein Obama, aka: Barry Soetoro, aka: Barry Obama, aka: Barack H. Obama, aka: Barack Obama II, presumed President of the United States, be tried in Criminal Court for charges of fraud (eligibility) and treason.

Said Grand Jury was convened under the power and authority vested with the people as guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States of America.

The American Grand Jury was served by people of the United States; said people being citizens as were sworn under Oath as to Eligibility for and Service in behalf of the Grand Jury:

The American Grand Jury used established public evidence and testimony of recognized by expert witnesses with a long professional history of forensic experience.

Caveat: Grand Jury hearings are secret and all proceedings will remain confidential until released by the courts.

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I'll do another post with Mark McGrew's Grand Jury article.

This is an article on the Grand Jury by Mark McGrew, and is an interesting read.

The original article is also found here: http://americangrandjury.org/special/MarkMcGrew.html

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Grand Jury Recommends: Indict Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama
Mark S. McGrew

The fifth amendment of the US Constitution states:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on the presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury".

So who or what is a Grand Jury?

Most Americans, including most Judges, most prosecutors and most lawyers think a Grand Jury is a function of the government, at the whim of the government, under the control and direction of the government. However, this is constitutionally false and always has been.

Americans are educated to believe that America has three branches of government: The Judicial, The Legislative and the Executive and that is they who decide our lives. This also is false. There is a Constitutional force which has power, authority and dominance over those three branches.

That is the The Grand Jury of We The People. The Grand Jury was intended to give the people of the United States of America total control over a potentially corrupt government and to enable prosecution of corrupt or criminal government officials, agents and employees, whether they were elected, hired or appointed.

The Constitution of The United States of America was created and designed to give the individual or collective people of America the power to tell the government what to do. The government, including the President of the country has no Rights to make Americans do anything that is not permitted by or is contrary to our Constitution. The US Constitution especially has no provision for an illegal alien to be our President and pass laws that we do not permit or condone.

United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia ruled in the case of United States vs. Williams, 504 U.S. 36 at 48 (1992):

"Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, Hannah v. Larche, 363 US 420, 490 (1960) with J. Frankfurter concurring in result, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right."

To be crystal clear: The Grand Jury is a Constitutional fixture in its own right.

The Grand Jury is not a tool of government to use against its citizens.

Justice Scalia determined further, to reinforce that there is no question as to the purpose of the Grand Jury:

"In fact, the whole theory of it's foundation is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between Government and the people. Although the Grand Jury normally operates, of course, in the courthouse and under judicial auspices, it's institutional relationship with the Judicial branch has traditionally been, so to speak, at arm's length. Judges direct involvement in the Grand Jury has generally been confined to the constitutive one of calling the Grand Jurors together and administering their oath of office".

Besides providing for society to charge individual people for crimes, the Grand Jury is a tool for the citizens to use against a criminal government or our government acting against the designs of our Constitution. And it was specifically designed to prosecute the criminal actions of government employees and their lawyers.

Any judge who tells a jury to "disregard that remark or disregard that evidence" is violating the US Constitution and can and should be indicted by a Common Law Grand Jury.

Any Congressperson, Senator, Governor or police officer who violates the constitution can and should be indicted by a Common Law Grand Jury, without the advice, consent, permission or interference of any government employee.

This is why America has always been promoted as a land where no man is above the law, including the President.

However, in 1946, certain people hijacked the role of our Grand Jury and the courtroom jury and henceforth, embarked on a mission of misinformation, distortions and blatant lies to convince the American people and the entire legal community, that it is the government that determines what is right and what is wrong in the actions of the government or of any elected government officials, employees or agents.

In an article in the Creighton Law Review, Volume 33. number 4, 1999-2000, Roger Roots, Juris Doctorate wrote:

"In addition to its traditional role of screening criminal cases for prosecution, common law grand juries had the power to exclude prosecutors from their presence at any time and to investigate public officials without government influence. These fundamental powers allowed grand juries to serve a vital function of oversight upon the government. The function of a grand jury to ferret out government corruption was the primary purpose of the grand jury system in ages past."

Judges and prosecutors and attorneys began using the phrase "runaway grand jury" to create ridicule and scorn upon a jury that chose to think for themselves, which is the Constitutional Right of any jury.

Roger Roots continues,

"A runaway grand jury, loosely defined as a grand jury which resists the accusatory choices of a government prosecutor, has been virtually eliminated by modern criminal procedure. Today's 'runaway' grand jury is in fact, the common law grand jury of the past. Prior to the emergence of governmental prosecution as the standard model for American criminal justice, all grand juries were in fact runaways, according to the definition of modern times. They operated as completely independent, self-directing bodies of inquisitors, with power to pursue unlawful conduct to its very source, including the government itself."

In 1946, The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure were adopted. In those procedures, they made a rule to punish runaway grand juries. Rule 6(g):

"At any time for cause shown, the court may excuse a juror either temporarily or permanently, and in the latter event the court may impanel another person in place of the juror excused."

Now judges could throw anyone off a grand jury, or even dis-impanel a grand jury entirely, merely for exercising its own discretion and not doing what the court or prosecutor tells them to do.

All laws in America, whether federal, state, county or city must conform to the framework of the United States Constitution. Laws can be illegal, and many laws are illegal. Rules are not even laws and have no authority if attached to a source that is not in line with the US Constitution. Laws, rules, orders, methods of the government that do not conform to the US Constitution are considered "Fruit from the poison tree" and if challenged as such, and proven not to be Constitutional in nature, must be unenforceable.

Rule 7 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure has an added "Note 4" which directly conflicts with, ignores and willfully violates the fifth amendment of the US Constitution which states clearly:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on the presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury".

Note 4 of Rule 7 states:

"Presentment is not included as an additional type of formal accusation, since presentments as a method of instituting prosecutions are obsolete, at least as concerns the Federal courts". They rewrote the US Constitution to suit their own purposes.

There are only two ways that the US Constitution can be changed:

Method 1:

A minimum of two thirds of the US House of Representatives AND a minimum of two thirds of the US Senate must agree on a proposed change to the Constitution, AND then a minimum of three quarters (38 of the current 50) of the state legislatures OR state conventions must agree to every word, comma, and period of the proposed change to the Constitution. Passage in the state legislatures is by simple majority in the state House AND in the state Senate. Passage in the state conventions is also by simple majority. Typically, a time limit of seven years is imposed for ratification, after which the proposal expires, worthless. This is the only method that has been used to date. The requirement for a state convention has been specified only once.

Method 2:

A minimum of two thirds of the state legislatures (34 of the current 50), House AND Senate, must call for a Constitutional Convention. The convention proposes one or more amendments, which must then be approved by simple majority by a minimum of three quarters of the state legislatures (House AND Senate) OR by a minimum of three quarters of the state conventions. This method has never been used.

Most certainly a bunch of crooked lawyers writing their own rules to corrupt the jury system can not override the US Constitution.

But they did.

And, as Susan Brenner wrote in The Voice of the Community: A Case for Jury Independence, "Now, federal grand jurors cannot return charges in the form of an indictment without a prosecutor's consent."

If a grand jury and a courtroom jury have to do only what the judge and prosecutor say, and a prosecutor can refuse to indict and charge a politician or another lawyer, what is the reason to have any jury? Only to perpetuate a myth that Americans live under a system where no man is above the law. There is no other reason.

As the American Judicial system now operates, judges and prosecutors can pick and choose who they send to prison. And they guarantee that they and their friends can go on with their criminal behavior unmolested.

The American Juror published a commentary regarding Note 4 of Rule 7:

"[Retaining the Constitutional Right of grand juries to determine evidence and witnesses] might encourage the use of the run-away grand jury as the grand jury could act from their own knowledge or observation and not only from charges made by the United States Attorney(Prosecutor)"

So, the American government employees took the bold step to violate the US Constitution on a continuing, repeated basis and gave defendants a "jury of their peers" that would and could, only nod to the prosecutor and judge and say only, "Yes sir. No sir. You're right sir. Whatever you say sir."

This kind of behavior was outlawed in the year 1215 by the English Magna Carta, which the founders of the United States of American adopted as their basis for how Americans were going to live and be treated by the government that they would employ.

The authors of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure are the true criminals and should have been dragged out of their homes and hanged from the nearest tree.

Now, 63 years later, the American people are fed up with the treasonous acts of their government employees and their rigged courts. And they have found a way to rid this country of the "domestic enemies" that our Constitution warned us to be prepared for.

AmericanGrandJury.org explains the process and how to form a constitutionally acceptable Common Law Grand Jury and bring presentments or indictments in any location in America and begin prosecuting corrupt government employees, at any level of government. No longer should they be referred to as Officials or agents. They are our employees and if they don't want to respect that, they need to find a friendly 3rd world country to live in.

Mr. Carl Swensson of the State of Georgia successfully organized a Common Law Grand Jury and that Grand Jury reviewed evidence against Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Obama and is recommending an indictment. The US Attorney, who was presented with that recommendation has refused to discuss it by saying, "We only deal with lawyers". The Attorney General's office of the State of Georgia has also been presented with that recommendation and has also refused, saying, "We don't represent citizens".

Everyone should call US Federal Attorney, David Nahmias at 404-581-6000 or fax him at 404-581-6181 and tell him to do his job. Every person should also call the State of Georgia Attorney General's office and ask Lilly Thomas why she thinks the Attorney General does not represent citizens and who do they represent. Her number is 404-656-3300.

On Mr. Swensson's website at RiseUpForAmerica.com you can see the process he went through to organize a Common Law Grand Jury.

You will also find that Common Law Grand Juries in Kentucky, Indiana and Ohio also have seen the evidence and are making a presentment to charge the illegal alien Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Obama. More Common Law Grand Juries across American are being scheduled as of this writing.

A 2 hour Internet radio broadcast on April 9, 2009 has Carl Swensson of www.RiseUpForAmerica.com and Bob Campbell of http://americangrandjury.org and the spokesman for American Grand Jury, Sam Sewell explaining the Grand Jury actions against Obama, how Grand Juries can be used to rid local communities of corrupt government employees and how citizens can form their own Common Law Grand Jury groups. That broadcast can be listened to or downloaded at this site:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Sentinel_R ... cGrew-Show

Please allow a few minutes for this show to start playing.

American people are uniting, from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean in the form of "Tea Parties" named after the Boston Tea Party demands of "No Taxation Without Representation" in the year 1773, which helped start the American Revolutionary War with England in 1775. Tea parties are being held for people to object to unconstitutional government acts, taxes and loss of freedoms

In less than 30 days, demonstrations have been organized and are scheduled in 2,000 communities, starting April 15, 2009. Anyone can find information on where Tea Parties are being held or how to form your own Tea Party at FreedomWorks.org

Something World leaders had better understand and understand well: Obama and his mentally deranged friends are not going to destroy America any more than countless other socialist fascist fanatics have tried in the past.

If World leaders want to keep their jobs and keep their nation's economies intact, they would be smart to drop Obama like a hot potato. Obama and his backers are pulling a giant scam on the rest of the World, just as they have on American voters.

Americans have wised up. It is only the major media that keeps pounding the drums of the Obama lie. Ask yourselves a question: Why are many of America's major newspapers that have been in business for over 100 years, filing for bankruptcy and closing every week? If you believe, as major news tell us, that the reason is lowered advertising revenue and more people getting their news from the Internet, you're hallucinating. The real reason is because Americans are thoroughly fed up with the lies, the slanders, the politically correct brain vomit that major news pours out and their astounding absolute refusal to portray any semblance of the truth.

Nothing Obama does will continue. Everything he does will be retracted by a very near future administration.

One thing that is certain, of all that can be observed about the current Obama administration, corporate executive friends of Obama and the American Judicial system: Whether in the boardroom, the courtroom or the bathroom, scum sticks together. When the scum is annoying enough, it is scrubbed, cleaned and thrown in the trash. That's why people have cleansers and society has prisons.

World leaders are making a very dangerous mistake to think that we, the people of America are not making preparations for cleaning house. This house belongs to us, not a gang of decrepit senile old men, pursuing a useless fantasy of a New World Order that has a 2,000 year history of abject failure.

Here's your first clue: The very first line of the US Constitution says, "We the people... establish this Constitution".

Mark S. McGrew may be reached at McGrewMX@aol.com

Copyright 2009 by Mark S. McGrew. Published on American Grand Jury by permission from Mr. McGrew.

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RED ALERT!!!!STOP AMNESTY!!!

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Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

NATIONAL GRAND JURY INDICTS OBAMA FOR FRAUD AND TREASON

After reviewing the evidence and voting, American Grand Jury members from many states issued the documents for presentment to jurisdictions throughout the nation recommending that [AKA] be tried in Criminal Court for charges of fraud (eligibility) and treason.

Correct me if I am missing something here, but isn't this august body of American Grand Jury members aware that a standing President is immune from prosecution, except for impeachment by the Congress?

For precisely that reason we have focused on nullifying the election, which was unlawful because the person elected is not qualified for the office, not being a natural born citizen, as required by Art. II, § 1, of the U.S. Constitution.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

NATIONAL GRAND JURY INDICTS OBAMA FOR FRAUD AND TREASON

After reviewing the evidence and voting, American Grand Jury members from many states issued the documents for presentment to jurisdictions throughout the nation recommending that [AKA] be tried in Criminal Court for charges of fraud (eligibility) and treason.

Correct me if I am missing something here, but isn't this august body of American Grand Jury members aware that a standing President is immune from prosecution, except for impeachment by the Congress?

For precisely that reason we have focused on nullifying the election, which was unlawful because the person elected is not qualified for the office, not being a natural born citizen, as required by Art. II, § 1, of the U.S. Constitution.

That thought had crossed my mind more than once. If I were to run a grand jury, I would be looking at those who allowed him to put his name on the ballots without qualifying him first.

I found this info on Grand Juries


In the common law, a grand jury is a type of jury that determines whether there is enough evidence for a trial. Grand juries carry out this duty by examining evidence presented to them by a prosecutor and issuing indictments, or by investigating alleged crimes and issuing presentments. A grand jury is traditionally larger than and distinguishable from a petit jury, which is used during a trial.


Today
Grand juries are today virtually unknown outside the United States. England abandoned grand juries in 1933 and instead uses a committal procedure, as do all Australian jurisdictions. In Australia, although the State of Victoria maintains provisions for a grand jury in the Crimes Act 1958 under section 354 Indictments, it has been used on rare occasions by individuals to bring other persons to court seeking them to be committed for trial on indictable offenses. New Zealand abolished the grand jury in 1961. Canada abolished it in the 1970s. Today approximately half of the states in the U.S. employ them,[6] and only twenty-two require their use, to varying extents.[7] Most jurisdictions have abolished grand juries, replacing them with the preliminary hearing at which a judge hears evidence concerning the alleged offenses and makes a decision on whether the prosecution can proceed.

A grand jury is meant to be part of the system of checks and balances, preventing a case from going to trial on a prosecutor's bare word. A prosecutor must convince the grand jury, as an impartial panel of ordinary citizens that there exists reasonable suspicion, probable cause, or a prima facie case that a crime has been committed. The grand jury can compel witnesses to testify before them. Unlike the trial itself, the grand jury's proceedings are secret; the defendant and his or her counsel are generally not present for other witnesses' testimony. The grand jury's decision is either a "true bill" (meaning that there is a case to answer), or "no true bill". In the state of Louisiana there is a third option, "By pretermitting entirely the matter investigated". This requires nine of the twelve grand jurors to determine there is not enough evidence presented to determine if a person should or should not be charged with a crime.[8] Jurors typically are drawn from the same pool of citizens as a petit jury, and participate for a specific time period.


Grand Juries in the United States
Federal grand juries
Charges involving "capital or infamous crimes" under federal jurisdiction must be presented to a grand jury, under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution. This has been interpreted to permit bypass of the grand jury for misdemeanor offenses, which can be charged by prosecutor's information.


State grand juries
Unlike many other provisions of the Bill of Rights, the Supreme Court has ruled that this requirement was not incorporated to apply to state courts via the Fourteenth Amendment, and states therefore may elect not to use grand juries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Jury

I received the following in an email, it contained no link, can anybody confirm or debunk this report?

Barry Soetoro aka. President Obama … says Occidental College transcript

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.

The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Meanwhile, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs scoffed at the report stating that this was obviously another attempt by a right-wing conservative group to discredit the president and undermine the administrations efforts to move the country in a new direction.

Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, Obama Eligibility Questioned, leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

Originally Posted by cayla99

I received the following in an email, it contained no link, can anybody confirm or debunk this report?

Barry Soetoro aka. President Obama … says Occidental College transcript

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school....

Found this: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=10616

and this: http://ronpaul.meetup.com/281/messages/ ... ad/6807387

Other than that, I can't find any information about Americans for Freedom of Information.

Could be a scam.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by cayla99

I received the following in an email, it contained no link, can anybody confirm or debunk this report?

Barry Soetoro aka. President Obama … says Occidental College transcript

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school....

Found this: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=10616

and this: http://ronpaul.meetup.com/281/messages/ ... ad/6807387

Other than that, I can't find any information about Americans for Freedom of Information.

Could be a scam.

I was kinda thinking that myself. It seems that IF this were true, the MSM might hide it way in the back in size 2 font, but they could not totally ignore it, could they?