Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Activists alert! Send free faxes to Washington before the "Jobs Summit."

http://www.numbersusa.com/faxes?ID=11859

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

EXCERPT OF SECRETARY CHERTOFF TESTIMONY FROM APRIL 2, 2008: (Resolution 511)

Chairman Leahy. We will come back to that. I would mention one other thing, if I might, Senator Specter. Let me just ask this: I believe–and we have had some question in this Committee to have a special law passed declaring that Senator McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal, that he meets the constitutional requirement to be President. I fully believe he does. I have never had any question in my mind that he meets our constitutional requirement. You are a former Federal judge. You are the head of the agency that executes Federal immigration law. Do you have any doubt in your mind–I mean, I have none in mine. Do you have any doubt in your mind that he [Sen. McCain] is constitutionally eligible to become President?

Secretary Chertoff. My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.

Chairman Leahy. That is mine, too. Thank you.

As opposed to "statutorily a natural-born citizen"?

Sec. Chertoff's definition or understanding does not by itself rule out the alternate possibility, derived from British Common Law, that a person might be a natural-born citizen by birth on U.S. soil alone, regardless of the citizenship status of one or both parents. But such a definition inappropriately equates Amendment 14 citizenship with natural born citizenship.

"Natural born citizen" status occurs naturally at birth, without the application of any statute to make it so. To rule that out requires something additional (not a statute), although I'm not sure what that would be, given that "natural born citizen" is a status which is axiomatic, that is, not defined by statute.

Does anyone have an update on this case?

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-179675.html

Formal treason charges filed against Barrack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, reach Monroe County Tennessee Grand Jury - Tuesday December 1, 2009

BORN IN THE USA?
Scalia: You need 4 votes for Obama eligibility case
Lawyer confronts justice about prez's qualifications
Posted: March 10, 2009
9:19 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Antonin Scalia

A lawyer lobbying the U.S. Justice Department and the U.S. Supreme Court
for a review of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president says a key conservative justice has hinted that another conservative justice has been voting against hearing the dispute.

According to Orly Taitz, a California attorney working through her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation on several cases challenging Obama, said she was presented with an opportunity to ask a question of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia yesterday.

The issue of Obama's eligibility has been raised before the Supreme Court at least four times already but has yet to be given a single hearing. Cases have been brought by Taitz, Philip Berg, Cort Wrotnowski and Leo Donofrio.

While the requests have been heard "in conference
" by the justices, no hearings have resulted on the evidence. WND previously has reported that cases brought to individual justices on an emergency basis can be discussed in such conferences, but they need the affirmative vote from four justices before a hearing on the merits can be scheduled.

The Supreme Court today is considered to have mainly a 4-4 conservative-liberal split, with one swing vote on most issues. On the conservative side generally are Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Samuel Alito, Scalia and Justice Clarence Thomas. Justice Anthony Kennedy often is the swing vote. The liberal side frequently includes Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and John Paul Stevens.

Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 300,000 others and sign up now!

No explanations on the court's response to the Obama citizenship issue have been offered until now.

Taitz reported she attended a reception for Scalia and stood "right by the mic, just to make sure I have an opportunity to ask a question. Only four lawyers out of about 300 in the audience got to ask their questions and I was lucky to be one of them."

She said, "I told Scalia that I was an attorney that filed Lightfoot v. Bowen that Chief Justice Roberts distributed for conference on Jan. 23 and now I represent nine state reps and 120 military officers, many of them high ranked, and I want to know if they will hear Quo Warranto and if they would hear it on original jurisdiction, if I bring Hawaii as an additional defendant to unseal the records and ascertain Obama's legitimacy for presidency."

Taitz said she had some worries asking the question.

"I have to say that I prepared myself to a lot of boo-ing, knowing that Los Angeles trial lawyers and entertainment elite are Obama's stronghold, however there was no boo-ing, no negative remarks," she said. "I actually could see a lot of approving nods, smiles, many gasped and listened intensely. I could tell, that even Obama's strongest supporters wanted to know the answer.

"Scalia stated that it would be heard if I can get four people to hear it. He repeated, you need four for the argument. I got a feeling that he was saying that one of these four that call themselves constitutionalists went to the other side," Taitz said.

"He did not say that it is a political question, he did not say that it is for the legislature to decide. For example, right after me another attorney has asked him about his case of taxing some Internet commerce and right away Scalia told him that he should address it with the legislature. He did not say it to me. He did not say that Quo Warranto is antiquated or not appropriate. No, just get four," she said.

She then bought Scalia's book and waited in line to get it autographed.

"I gave him the books to sign and asked, 'Tell me what to do, what can I do, those soldiers [her plaintiffs] can be court-martialed for asking a legitimate question, who is the president, is he legitimate.' He said, 'Bring the case, I'll hear it, I don't know about others.'"

Taitz' latest effort is a case of Quo Warranto submitted to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.

The legal phrase essentially means an explanation is being demanded for what authority Obama is using to act as president. An online constitutional resource says Quo Warranto "affords the only judicial remedy for violations of the Constitution by public officials and agents."

The plaintiffs allege Obama failed to submit prima facie evidence of his qualifications before Jan. 20, 2009.

"Election officers failed to challenge, validate or evaluate his qualifications. Relators submit that as president elect, Respondent Obama failed [tO] qualify per U.S. CONST. Amend. XX [paragraph] 3," the document said.

John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution working with the Foundation on Moral Law, said the demand is a legitimate course of action.

"She basically is asking, 'By what authority' is Obama president," he told WND. "In other words, 'I want you to tell me by what authority. I don't really think you should hold the office.'"

Taitz said Americans should flood Holder's office with calls, e-mails and faxes, urging him to take action on the case.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption
of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Although Obama officials have told WND all such allegations are "garbage," here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:

* New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.

* Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, (now dismissed) brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.

* Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.

* Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.

* Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.

* Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.

* Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.

* In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.

* Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff.

* In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.

* In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.

* California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.

In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:

* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.

* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.

* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.

* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.

* In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=91345

Big Obama Treason Grand Jury Today in Tennessee (Update: Decision Expected Next Week)

By Roy Edroso
Tuesday, Dec. 1 2009 @ 2:24PM
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... _treas.php

Well, now we're finally getting somewhere with the patriotic movement to remove traitor Barry Soetoro from the White House! Mother Jones reports a cowboy named Walter Fitzpatrick III, aka The JAG Hunter ( http://thejaghunter.wordpress.com/?s=dale ), has filed a complaint in Monroe County, Tennessee and will address a grand jury hearing today ( http://www.motherjones.com/politics/200 ... roe-county ) -- and not before one of those "citizen grand juries" ( http://www.motherjones.com/politics/200 ... roe-county ) that were the thing last summer, but a real inside-the-courthouse deal. In fact, Monroe County has been most obliging in this matter, as Fitzpatrick got to read his accusation of treason ( http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory ... 755&cat=14 ) in Monroe County courthouse in August. No indictment was returned at the time, but Fitzpatrick is doubtless better prepared now.

"The road to justice has been bumpy," reports a sympathetic Canada Free Press ( http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17303 ): "Fitzpatrick had to go so far as to file criminal obstruction charges against Grand Jury Foreman Pettway before he would gain access to the court." Our Northern patriot allies offer legal analysis, too: "If the Grand Jury has any doubts about Fitzpatrick's testimony, they must arrest him for perjury on the spot. If they don't arrest him for perjury, they are accepting his testimony as true and accurate."

God, Guns and Free Speech ( http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17303 ) approves and adds a friend's comment: "It's a sad testament to a FREE America when we have to get any truth from the news media from another country."

We will provide coverage later of Obama being hauled off to prison on the inevitable Monroe County warrant.

Update: They only offered Fitzpatrick a three-man panel today, says WVLT, which he took amiss; nonetheless he spoke to them and findings are expected on December 7th. ( http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/78267717.html )

"Walter really went into detail about his continuing fight on the Treason and Fraud charges," a supporter reported afterward ( http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/78267717.html ), "and also about the Pendleton Eight" -- Marines and a Navy corpsman charged with the murder of an Iraqi citizen in 2006; they pleaded out in 2007 ( http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19543 ) . "I can not see how the Monroe County Jury could even contemplate not returning a TRUE BILL in favor of handing down the charges..." The correspondent reported the presence of other supporters, including "representatives" of the Constitution Party and the Tea Party Nation.

Commander Fitzpatrick Grand Jury hearing - a report from Phil Dedrick who was there
December 1st, 2009
http://americangrandjury.org/commander- ... -was-there

newsletterGreetings everyone,

We are getting lots of emails asking what happened today at the Monroe County Courthouse where Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick III was scheduled to testify before the Grand Jury.

The Jury will not decide for a few days but an American Grand Jury member, Phil Dedrick was there.

Here is what Phil had to say:

Bob,

Just got back from Commander Walter Kitzpatrick’s county of Monroe, 270 miles one way and I am really tired… My 86 yr.old father in law who fought in France, Germany, and Italy during WW2, my wife, and myself made the trip leaving at 2:30AM CST this morning and we are just now getting back at 4PM CST…

Walter really went into detail about his continuing fight on the Treason and Fraud charges and also about the Pendleton Eight..

Outside the courthouse with 36 supporters who showed up from Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and Iowa… I also advised the crowd that The AGJ will be incorporating the Pendleton 8 in it’s next Jury… Even Channel 10 WBIR from Knoxville showed up and listened to all of Walter’s story today… With the big box and back pack that had all of Walters evidence, I can not see how the Monroe County Jury could even contemplate not returning a TRUE BILL in favor of handing down the charges…

Representatives who showed up are from these following organizations:

(Tennessee Patriots from ResistNet.com)

(2 Un-Named individuals with Tennessee OathKeepers)

(TN. SonsOfLiberty.org President, Phil Hoffman, (Constitution Party of Tennessee 1st Vice State Chairman, Mr. Jim Headings, Mr. Doyle Pritchard and 6 more member un-named, they are also with the Tea Party Nation)

(Unknown??? County, Chairman from The Constitution Party of TN., Mr. Corky McDonald)

(Mike Williams, McMinn County, TN. Tea Party)

(Dorothy Cook, John Coker, and Barry Toomey with the TeaPartyNation, Athens, TN.)

(Jerry Henderson, Unknown Organization)

(Naomi Swanson with Chattanooga Patriots, but from Dalton, GA.)

(Joy Duval with Chattanooga Patriots/SmartGirlsPolitics.com)

(J.K. Williams and several other Smokey Mountain 9/12′ers)

(Glenda Marshall with Unknown Organization)

(and several un-named supporters totaling 36 supporters)…

My group left after Walter went into the Grand Jury room because we learned today that the Grand Jury will give their decision in a few days and not today…

Phil Dedrick

[quote="HighlanderJuan"]Commander Fitzpatrick Grand Jury hearing - a report from Phil Dedrick who was there
December 1st, 2009
http://americangrandjury.org/commander- ... -was-there

newsletterGreetings everyone,

We are getting lots of emails asking what happened today at the Monroe County Courthouse where Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick III was scheduled to testify before the Grand Jury.

The Jury will not decide for a few days but an American Grand Jury member, Phil Dedrick was there.

Here is what Phil had to say:

Bob,

Just got back from Commander Walter Kitzpatrick’s county of Monroe, 270 miles one way and I am really tired… My 86 yr.old father in law who fought in France, Germany, and Italy during WW2, my wife, and myself made the trip leaving at 2:30AM CST this morning and we are just now getting back at 4PM CST…

Walter really went into detail about his continuing fight on the Treason and Fraud charges and also about the Pendleton Eight..

Outside the courthouse with 36 supporters who showed up from Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and Iowa… I also advised the crowd that The AGJ will be incorporating the Pendleton 8 in it’s next Jury… Even Channel 10 WBIR from Knoxville showed up and listened to all of Walter’s story today… With the big box and back pack that had all of Walters evidence, I can not see how the Monroe County Jury could even contemplate not returning a TRUE BILL in favor of handing down the charges…

Representatives who showed up are from these following organizations:

(Tennessee Patriots from ResistNet.com)

(2 Un-Named individuals with Tennessee OathKeepers)

(TN. SonsOfLiberty.org President, Phil Hoffman, (Constitution Party of Tennessee 1st Vice State Chairman, Mr. Jim Headings, Mr. Doyle Pritchard and 6 more member un-named, they are also with the Tea Party Nation)

(Unknown??? County, Chairman from The Constitution Party of TN., Mr. Corky McDonald)

(Mike Williams, McMinn County, TN. Tea Party)

(Dorothy Cook, John Coker, and Barry Toomey with the TeaPartyNation, Athens, TN.)

(Jerry Henderson, Unknown Organization)

(Naomi Swanson with Chattanooga Patriots, but from Dalton, GA.)

(Joy Duval with Chattanooga Patriots/SmartGirlsPolitics.com)

(J.K. Williams and several other Smokey Mountain 9/12′ers)

(Glenda Marshall with Unknown Organization)

(and several un-named supporters totaling 36 supporters)…

My group left after Walter went into the Grand Jury room because we learned today that the Grand Jury will give their decision in a few days and not today…

Phil Dedrick[/quote

Thanks Highlander but please expand as best you can on what this means in real life? Is this an exercise in rhetoric or futility? Not trying to sound defeatist but just want to understand the real world implications of such an effort.

Originally Posted by butterbean

Does anyone have an update on this case?

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-179675.html

Formal treason charges filed against Barrack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, reach Monroe County Tennessee Grand Jury - Tuesday December 1, 2009

Posting updates on that thread now butterbean.

The rest of you might also want to take a peak, I am just being nice to W and not posting in both places

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Commander Fitzpatrick Grand Jury hearing - a report from Phil Dedrick who was there
December 1st, 2009
http://americangrandjury.org/commander- ... -was-there

newsletterGreetings everyone,

We are getting lots of emails asking what happened today at the Monroe County Courthouse where Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick III was scheduled to testify before the Grand Jury.

The Jury will not decide for a few days but an American Grand Jury member, Phil Dedrick was there.

Here is what Phil had to say:

Bob,

Just got back from Commander Walter Fitzpatrick’s county of Monroe, 270 miles one way and I am really tired… My 86 yr.old father in law who fought in France, Germany, and Italy during WW2, my wife, and myself made the trip leaving at 2:30AM CST this morning and we are just now getting back at 4PM CST…

Walter really went into detail about his continuing fight on the Treason and Fraud charges and also about the Pendleton Eight..

Outside the courthouse with 36 supporters who showed up from Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and Iowa… I also advised the crowd that The AGJ will be incorporating the Pendleton 8 in it’s next Jury… Even Channel 10 WBIR from Knoxville showed up and listened to all of Walter’s story today… With the big box and back pack that had all of Walters evidence, I can not see how the Monroe County Jury could even contemplate not returning a TRUE BILL in favor of handing down the charges…

Representatives who showed up are from these following organizations:

(Tennessee Patriots from ResistNet.com)

(2 Un-Named individuals with Tennessee OathKeepers)

(TN. SonsOfLiberty.org President, Phil Hoffman, (Constitution Party of Tennessee 1st Vice State Chairman, Mr. Jim Headings, Mr. Doyle Pritchard and 6 more member un-named, they are also with the Tea Party Nation)

(Unknown??? County, Chairman from The Constitution Party of TN., Mr. Corky McDonald)

(Mike Williams, McMinn County, TN. Tea Party)

(Dorothy Cook, John Coker, and Barry Toomey with the TeaPartyNation, Athens, TN.)

(Jerry Henderson, Unknown Organization)

(Naomi Swanson with Chattanooga Patriots, but from Dalton, GA.)

(Joy Duval with Chattanooga Patriots/SmartGirlsPolitics.com)

(J.K. Williams and several other Smokey Mountain 9/12′ers)

(Glenda Marshall with Unknown Organization)

(and several un-named supporters totaling 36 supporters)…

My group left after Walter went into the Grand Jury room because we learned today that the Grand Jury will give their decision in a few days and not today…

Phil Dedrick

Thanks Highlander but please expand as best you can on what this means in real life? Is this an exercise in rhetoric or futility? Not trying to sound defeatist but just want to understand the real world implications of such an effort.

Actually, Cayla's post gives us some answers to your question.

My take is that Cmdr Fitzpatrick isn't putting up with any crap (that's one reason why I love the military - they are usually very task oriented), and he's now going after the Grand Jury foreman who resisted him in the beginning. That's a good thing.

In general, my feelings and beliefs are that if we have any amount of justice left in America, this effort will show some results. I get very concerned about intimidation of the judiciary by the Chicago administration, and we may see some side effects of that if the grand jury indictment goes through. Remember, this is not an eligibility question Fitzpatrick is trying to answer - he has filed treason charges against Obama, and that is a whole different kettle of fish.

Further Highlander sayeth not.