Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

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Dakdok, who was brought up in Egypt, a Muslim country, is adamant that Obama is a Muslim, based on the fact that his birth father was a Muslim and that there is no evidence that Obama ever specifically rejected Islam. Christian radio host Brannon Howse interviewed Dakdok, at the urging of conservative columnist David Limbaugh, brother of the national talk show host, Rush Limbaugh. Dakdok was also interviewed recently on Stacy Harp’s Christian radio show. He speaks around the country in front of Christian audiences.

While Obama may have been a Muslim by birth, that doesn’t mean that he accepts the Muslim faith or philosophy. Instead, Islam may be seen as just another religion/ideology that can be used for his own political purposes.

The case for Obama being a Marxist is far more convincing. He was exposed to Marxist ideology in church under Wright, as well as from Frank Marshall Davis.

The American people now seem to get it, even though the truth about Obama’s relationship with Davis has never been thoroughly explored by the major media. A poll from the Democracy Corps, a Democratic Party firm, found that 55 percent said that Obama could accurately be described as a socialist.

This is far more than the number of people who see him as a Muslim.

If and when the media start examining the Frank Marshall Davis connection, the “socialistâ€

BORN IN THE USA?
State Dept. confirms Obama dual citizen
'Counter-misinformation' website aims to debunk birth controversy
Posted: August 24, 2010
9:55 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

U.S. President Barack Obama meets with the Weithman family in Columbus, Ohio, August 18, 2010. Obama is on the last day of a five-state trip across America and returns to Washington later on Wednesday. REUTERS/Larry Downing (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS BUSINESS)

The State Department is maintaining a "counter-misinformation" page on an America.gov blog that attempts to "debunk a conspiracy theory" that President Obama was not born in the United States, as if the topic were equivalent to believing space aliens visit Earth in flying saucers.

However, in the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961.

In a number of court cases challenging Obama's eligibility, dual citizenship has been raised as a factor that could compromise his "natural born" status under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. The cases argue dual citizenship would make Obama ineligible even if documentary evidence were shown the public, such as the hospital-issued long-form birth certificate that indicates the place of his birth and the name of the attending physician.

The entry "The Obama Birth Controversy" was written by Todd Leventhal, identified as the chief of the Counter-Misinformation Team for the U.S. Department of State. The office appears to have been established "to provide information about false and misleading stories in the Middle East," as described in a biography of Leventhal published on the U.S. Public Diplomacy website.

In a manner reminiscent of George Orwell's novel "1984," the "counter-misinformation" office appears set on communicating the accepted U.S. government-approved view on a wide range of controversies that are branded dismissively as "conspiracy theories," including questions about President Obama's eligibility to be president.

In the "conspiracy theory" section, a discussion of Obama's birth certificate is lumped together with flying saucers, theories about the JFK assassination and a belief that the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was a legitimate document.

Ideas considered absurd are identified in nine different "conspiracy theory boxes," categorized by September 11, health, the military, outer space, economics, U.S. domestic concerns, U.S. and Islam, Latin America and "others."

'Expert on conspiracy theories'

State Department spokesman Noel Clay confirmed to WND that Leventhal was a State Department employee and that an office of counter-misinformation existed in the State Department.

Clay did not subsequently respond to WND's additional inquiries. He was asked whether Congress authorized the office and to provide information regarding the process within the State Department that checked Leventhal's postings for accuracy and approved them as official U.S. government positions.

"Todd Leventhal is the department's expert on conspiracy theories and information – stories that are untrue, but widely believed," the State Department explains on America.gov. "He enjoys reading obituaries, which tell the personal stories of people who have shaped the fabric of American life."

According to America.gov, Leventhal's qualifications for the job at America.gov include that he "worked for Voice of America for seven years and bikes to work year-round."

On the website, the State Department explains, "Todd became interested in international affairs after a four-month trip to the Soviet Union, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India in 1972."

Leventhal did not respond to WND questions posed on his Facebook page asking for his job description at the State Department and for an explanation of the office and directors to whom he reports in clearing the information he posts.

COLB argument repeated

Leventhal contends it is not true that Obama was born outside the United States, because Hawaii State Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino stated on July 27, 2009, "I … have seen the original vital records on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."

However, WND has reported that in two separate interviews, Janice Okubo, the Hawaii Health Department's public information officer, told WND that Hawaii Revised Statutes Section 338-18 prohibits public officials from commenting on the birth records of any specific person.

Nor was this Fukino's only statement on Obama's birth records.

As WND reported, even months earlier, Fukino had said, "I, and Dr. Alvin Onaka have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

But neither statement revealed what the "record" or "certificate" says or clarified many of the questions raised over the issue.

Do the "original vital records" and "original birth certificate" reflect a Hawaiian birth, or a birth overseas?

Next, Leventhal cites the 2008 FactCheck.org production of a Certificate of Live Birth "verifying that it was a real, official document."

WND has repeatedly pointed out that the Hawaii Department of Health, especially in the era in which Obama was born, issued short-form Certificates of Live Birth to children born in foreign countries, simply because parents or other family members registered the birth with the Hawaii health department.

Leventhal also cites the birth announcements placed in two Honolulu newspapers at the time of Obama's birth, neglecting to address WND's research demonstrating that the address listed in the birth announcements was where Obama's maternal grandparents lived, suggesting the grandparents may have registered the birth.

Nor does Leventhal explain why the American public should not be permitted to see Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate listing the hospital where he was born and the physician attending the birth.

WND has reported on a continuing controversy in which Obama's family first claimed he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, only to change the story to insist Obama was born at the city's Kapi'olani Medical Center.

Obama a dual citizen

Finally, Leventhal cites FactCheck.org to state, "Obama was originally both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies from 1961 to 1963 (because his father was from Kenya, which gained its independence from the British Empire in 1963), then both a U.S. and Kenyan citizen from 1963 to 1982, and solely a U.S. citizen after that."

Leventhal's entry on "The Obama Birth Controversy" at America.gov reads remarkably like the comparable entry at the Obama 2008 presidential campaign website, "Fight the Smears," suggesting the State Department is merely repeating Obama campaign argumentation in a partisan fashion, rather than conducting an even-handed and original inquiry into the Obama eligibility controversy.

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For WorldNetDaily, Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D.[/url]]Finally, Leventhal cites FactCheck.org to state, "Obama was originally both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies from 1961 to 1963 (because his father was from Kenya, which gained its independence from the British Empire in 1963), then both a U.S. and Kenyan citizen from 1963 to 1982, and solely a U.S. citizen after that."

Leventhal's entry on "The Obama Birth Controversy" at America.gov reads remarkably like the comparable entry at the Obama 2008 presidential campaign website, "Fight the Smears," suggesting the State Department is merely repeating Obama campaign argumentation in a partisan fashion, rather than conducting an even-handed and original inquiry into the Obama eligibility controversy.

If the U.S. Dept. of State had conducted an original inquiry, they would have found that Mr. Obama was a U.S. and Kenyan dual citizen from 1963 to 1984. The Kenyan side of his dual citizenship was controlled by Kenyan law, which stated that, for a minor Kenyan citizen who no longer resides in Kenya, Kenyan citizenship continues until age 23.

I apologize for repeating myself, but it bears a reminder. If Mr. Obama's birth document on file in Hawaii reads, "born in Honolulu, HI; father unknown," he is still not an NBC. That document is a statement his mother or her parent(s) made to Hawaii DoH Vital Records - not a birth certificate issued by a Honolulu hospital, with a footprint and the signature of the attending physician. A Hawaii long form birth certificate does not exist. Yet, Mr. Obama's attorneys could be getting cases dismissed by presenting to the judges privately, in camera, certified copies of a birth document which reads, "father unknown."

It has been established in this thread, by a preponderance of the evidence, that Barack Obama II was born in Mombasa, Kenya. The Obama family members present may well have said, "That boy has none of our Barrack's features. He's none of ours, and we won't accept him."

Even if his birth document reads, "father unknown," he still was not born in the U.S.. His mother was 3½ months shy of the requirement to confer U.S. citizenship, "ten years a resident, five of which were after age fourteen," according to the INA of 1952 then in effect.

Any attorney could make a good case that Barack Obama II - not born in the U.S., with no U.S. citizen father, and with no U.S. citizenship at birth - is not a natural born citizen of the U.S..

"[Avi Lipkin's] wife is Rachel, an Egyptian-born Jewess, who immigrated (emigrated?) to Israel in 1969, and who has worked in Israel's Radio Service in Arabic for the last 25 years, monitoring Arabic-language broadcasts on TV and radio, as well as in newspapers. . . Avi says, 'Rachel was picking up [Arabic] broadcasts for years before the 2008 elections, and the Saudis were saying,
"We will have a Mus|im in the White House in 2008."'"

"You Mus|ims will see what I will do for Is|am regarding Israel."
Attributed to Barack Obama, speaking to Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit.

http://www.youtube.com/v/0Jhx_2TqffE

[FWIW, I do not consider Mr. Obama a true Mus|im believer, but an agnostic and
a dhimmi, one whom Is|am has intimidated into subjection and servitude. - M]

This is from The Post & Mail



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RETIRED ARMY CAPTAIN ADDRESSES HIS CITY COUNCIL AND IS TOLD THEY WILL DO “NOTHINGâ€

[size=117](This is a letter to my neocon friend who cheers for Israel but who is clueless about the ~NBC Bogus POTUS.)

Mr. Obama is a dhimmi, one whom Is|am has intimidated into submission and subjection, which is what Is|am means. He may or may not be a "true believer" in the religion or the false moon god, but outwardly, he acts as a servant of Dar al'Is|am. He is America's and Israel's worst enemy. Osama, the Is|amist terrorist ensconced in the Hindu Kush, can do us little harm compared to Obama, the Communist traitor enthroned in the Oval Office.



No one says it publicly, but everyone knows why we have Iran surrounded on the west, east, and south. The (unspoken) primary purpose of our continued military presence in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Persian Gulf is to intimidate the nuclear-power-mad moolahs and thereby contain Iran. Our three major military installations in Iraq near the Iranian border, three (?) major military installations in Afghanistan near the Iranian border, our troops in Wazyristan in NW Pakistan near the Iranian border, and the 5th Fleet maneuvering cruise missiles and nukes around the Strait of Hormuz, all thunder at the Ayatollah and Pres. Imanutjob, "Strike Israel and you die!"

Unfortunately for everyone, these mad bombers are suicidal, driven with urgency to hasten - through nuclear chaos - the return of their Shi'ite messiah figure, the Mahdi. This "hidden 12th Imam" bears a striking resemblance in prophecy to the Antichrist, the Satan-indwelt head of the one world government/religion during the Great Tribulation, the 3½ years immediately preceding the Second Coming of Y'shua ha'Mashiach, our Lord Jesus Christ, God Almighty coming to earth as a man to reign for 1000 years.

If the U.S. military is deployed close at hand and strike ready, there is little question about what our generals will do if the moolahs go stark raving loony. But if the U.S. military is eight or nine thousand miles away, it could take a year or more for Congress to declare war on this enemy that declared war on the U.S. in 1979 and has never ceased fire.

Therefore, Public Enemy #1 of America and Israel is withdrawing the U.S. nuclear deterrent from immediate striking distance of BÅ«shehr, Qom, Bandar, Mashhad, ZÄ

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31604879/ns ... -americas/

The Honduran army captured and exiled Honduran President Manuel Zelaya in 2009, and the Congress later ousted him.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Zelaya’s top ally, said any aggression toward Zelaya from Micheletti’s government should prompt a military intervention by the United Nations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8125292.stm

Mr. Obama described the removal of President Zelaya as illegal.

Did I already say that?
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The courts will not oust the usurper. Neither will he be removed from office at the ballot box.

The fraudulent impostor is not a lawful president, and he has nullified Art. II § 1 ¶ 5 of the U.S. Constitution by his act of sedition in usurping the Office of President, for which he is Constitutionally disqualified, not being a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution.

Mr. Obama has overthrown Constitutional government, that is, government according to the Constitution as the law of the United States.

These men will have to end the unconstitutional usurpation of the Presidency.

• Admiral Michael Mullen, USN, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
  
  General James E. Cartwright, USMC, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
  
  General George W. Casey, Jr., Chief of Staff of the United States Army
  
  Admiral Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations
  
  General Norton A. Schwartz, Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force
  
  General James T. Conway, Commandant of the Marine Corps

The Joint Chiefs do not want to be reckoned as committing sedition by overthrowing the government of the U.S.. But this is not a Constitutional government - it is a usurpation of the Presidency. Mr. Obama is not a Constitutional POTUS - he is a fraudulent impostor unlawfully occupying the Office of President, just as surely as if Osama bin Ladin or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were to take over the Oval Office.

The only alternative to the Joint Chiefs of Staff is for the Messiah to return to earth.

The Presidential Poser

August 23, 2010
by Bob Livingston

Just who exactly is this man posing as President of the United States? That’s a question being asked by a growing number of Americans.

In fact, a recent poll by CNN — a news organization that has been downright gushing in its praise of Barack Obama — showed that six out of 10 people are uncertain the President was even born in the U.S. And that includes about one-third of all Democrats.

It’s troubling that so many question Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of President but that so few of the elected class and those of national prominence will even broach the issue. It demonstrates what a superb job Obama’s team and the Democrat party have done in casting those who question his status as a natural born citizen as the lunatic fringe.

In fact, if you are a “birtherâ€

"African Official Government Records & News Accounts," by Atty. Mario Apuzzo (with links to supporting articles)

14 April 2010: Member of the Kenyan National Assembly in open session asks the question,
when is Obama going to "repatriate" himself to Kenya. See bottom of page 8.

05 Nov 2008: Member of Kenyan National Assembly calls Obama a "son of the soil of this country"
during open session in Kenya on 05 Nov 2008. See page 3275.

25 Mar 2010: Copy of the official minutes of the 25 March 2010 session of the Kenyan National Assembly
during which the Minister of Lands, James Orengo, stated that Obama was "born in Kenya"

11 Jul 2009: African news organization named Modern Ghana says in July 2009 article that Obama is visiting "continent of his birth".

03 Nov 2009: Copy of June 27, 2004 newspaper article in Kenya saying Obama is Kenyan born.
For more details on the lawsuit Kerchner v Obama & Congress see: http://www.protectourliberty.com

Tanzania's Daima Newspaper 2006-09-02 News Story About "Obama Visit to Kenya" Reports Obama was Born in Kenya.

13 Jul 2010: Obama has a second middle name: Barack Abdalla Husein Obama. Obama's Has 2nd Middle Name and Origins From East Africa - Tanzania's the Citizen Newspaper - 2010-06-29

The Nigerian Observer 2008-11-04 News Story Discusses Kenyan-Born Senator Obama

Uganda - The Monitor newspaper - 2008-02-16 edition - reports Senator Obama is Kenyan Born

Ghana - Ghana News 2008-11-04 AP-NewsTimesOnline-Americans Decide-Kenyan Born African-American Obama

Snopes.com online 'Fact Checker' says Barack Obama Was Born in Kenya-see 21 Apr 2008 Snopes Article
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Previously mentioned: "A Catalog of Evidence - Concerned Americans Have Good Reason to Doubt that Putative President Obama Was Born in Hawaii," by Atty. Mario Apuzzo

http://www.nyrocatv.com/forum.cgi?viewt ... 50&show=86

Originally Posted by INtrailhunter

"Is this the Joint Chiefs' way to put Obama on trial, with LTC Lakin? This would give the JCS a way to not use the military until a court has proven what is the truth."

Now, that is quite an insight. LTC Dr. Terry Lakin is not only above reproach and difficult to ignore or discredit. He is close to and in the good graces of Gen. Casey, who is about as close to the Joint Chiefs of Staff as one can get. If LTC Lakin knew about the usurper, Gen. Casey knows about the usurper; and if Gen. Casey knows about the usurper . . .

Do you think that when LTC Lakin decided that his honor and integrity were worth putting his military career and his retirement on the line, Gen. Casey and perhaps the JCS committed to him? "We can't appear to be seditionists, lest we all get fired - or shot by a firing squad. But we're with you, we will back you, we will support you behind the scenes, and we will keep you safe in the stockade throughout this. You will be the hero who makes it all happen."

I don't know - it's possible. I don't know a cleaner way for the JCS to oust an impostor.
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Originally Posted by INtrailhunter

"1. You may be right about Obama being born in Kenya, but we can’t prove that yet. (The evidence lends that way.)"

We can prove it, if and when we can get a judge to hear the case. I know that reading 140 pages filled with dry and boring documentation is a lot of work to ask of anyone. It was a lot of work to collect it, verify it, link to it, and archive it, as you well know here. But that's what makes it evidence and not just an idle rant. Those who are still posting on the Alipac eligibility thread after 22 months, those who have read it all, are absolutely, positively, no doubts about it, convinced.