Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

There's no wonder about who put Mr. Obama up there, though:
Communism and Is|am, joined by every other anti-American ideology that rallies to a burning American flag.

In a larger sense, though, God put Mr. Obama there for His own purposes, during the End Times lead up to:

• the unannounced and sudden snatching away of all Christians,
  the 42 months of Jacob's Trouble,
  the Jews being hidden in the wilderness from the pseudo-messiah,
  the 42 months (or less) of Great Tribulation, when evil is loosed upon the earth, and
  the second coming of Yeshua ha'Mashiach, Jesus the Christ, to rule the earth for 1000 years.

Messiah's first act will be to cast Satan into the bottomless pit for 1000 years, reserved for the final battle of Armageddon. His second act will be to cast into the lake of fire the godless Eurocentric global government (the beast), and the anti-YHWH, anti-Jew, anti-Christian, cult of conquest and death (the false prophet) that has its reign of terror from the Bosphorus Straits (Istanbul) to the river Euphrates, and across Turkey to the brook of Egypt, the southern extent of Gaza.

Man identified by Walter Fitzpatrick as rushed to the hospital from the Monroe County Jail speaks
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DAVID JACOBS: “THEY JUST BLEW IT OFF AND IGNORED ITâ€

It's fun to watch Obots get blasted verbally, like video game bad guys who haplessly put themselves in the line of fire while shooting misaimed weapons that don't work.

Here's an Obot's lame attempt to use Wong Kim Ark to redefine nbc as a native-born citizen.

Originally Posted by [url=http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1216821&page=2810

At forums.hannity.com, KSDB[/url]][Obot] jros wrote:
"the decision was that regardless of the citizenship of the parents at the time of his birth, he became a citizen of the United States at birth, and therefore a natural born as opposed to a naturalized citizen."

• KSDB replied:
  "He was declared a citizen at birth via the 14th amendment. It does not say a natural born citizen as opposed to naturalized, the former of which the decision says is defined OUTSIDE of the Constitution. 14th amendment citizenship is part of the Constitution. You really need to read the ruling much closer."

[Obot] jros wrote:
"You guys can argue about Vattel and the law of nations and english common law and the intent of the founders all you want, but the fact remains that this issue is settled law by virtue of this ruling."

• KSDB replied:
  "This ruling affirms Vattel's definition by using it nearly verbatim."

[Obot] jros wrote:
"If you can convince the current or future SC to revisit it on some basis, then reverse the previous court's ruling; then you would have something to talk about. The argument that the parents have to be citizens in order for the kids to be natural born citizens is solely made up for the enjoyment of debating it on this forum."

• KSDB replied:
  "No, it's in WKA via Minor v. Happersett. Again, you really need to read the decision instead of faither talking points.
  
  "Quoting the Wong Kim Ark decision: 'At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of [p. 680] parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.'
  
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  "'Minor v. Happersett (1874), 21 Wall. 162, 166-168. The decision in that case was that a woman born of citizen parents within the United States was a citizen of the United States ...'
  
  "Justice Waite, in the Minor decision, said that Virgina Minor's citizenship was not dependent on the 14th amendment because it fit the definition of natural born citizen."

[Obot] jros wrote, quoting Wong Kim Ark:
"There is no doubt that women may be citizens. They are persons, and by the fourteenth amendment 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof ' are expressly declared to be 'citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.' But, in our opinion, it did not need this amendment to give them that position."

• KSDB replied:
  "The fourteenth amendment did not affect the citizenship of women any more than it did of men. In this particular, therefore, the rights of Mrs. Minor do not depend upon the amendment. She has always been a citizen from her birth, and entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizenship. The amendment prohibited the State, of which she is a citizen, from abridging any of her privileges and immunities as a citizen of the United States; but it did not confer citizenship on her."

The DOJ plainly has ample reason to intimidate judges to not consider this issue on the merits.

[quote][size=167][color=red]“Silence can only be equated with fraud
where there is a legal or moral duty to speak
or where an inquiry left unanswered
would be intentionally misleading.â€

[quote="[url=http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/11/16/last-request-to-hawaii-attorney-for-documents-before-lawsuit-is-filed/]For The Post & Email, Mrs. Sharon Rondeau[/url]"]Last Request to Hawaii Attorney for Documents before Lawsuit is Filed
REQUEST FOR NOMINATION CERTIFICATES ALMOST FOUR MONTHS OLD

by Sharon Rondeau
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(Nov. 16, 2010) — The Post & Email has decided that it will no longer allow the corrupt Hawaii Elections Office and Office of Information Practices to stonewall our request for Nomination Certificates from the RNC, DNC, and Hawaii state Democrat and Republican parties for 2008, 2004 and 2000 which we requested in July. These documents have been released to other parties and widely posted on the internet, leading some to the conclusion that the Hawaii Democrat Party violated state law and omitted the required “constitutionally-eligibleâ€

Originally Posted by The Post & Email

Texoma says: In preparation for 2012, how about we re-examine a recent article on the P&E from a person who, at least for her state, figured out how and when to challenge (with standing) the eligibility of candidates who are placed on the ballot? If most (or maybe all?) states have such a process, we could coordinate a nationwide effort to challenge Obama’s eligibility on state ballots across the nation. Such an effort could result in Obama choosing not to run.
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Mrs. Rondeau replies: Yes, that was Chalice Jackson, aka Sharon Ann Meroni. If Illinois has such a time period wherein a registered voter can challenge a candidate’s eligibility and get them to show a birth certificate as she did, then all of us must study our own states’ laws and get involved early in the process. During that special time frame, they have to check into the person’s constitutional qualifications if that is the basis for the challenge.

On the good side, the people seem to be having a positive effect by exposing corruption and by not backing down. I am so impressed by Sharon Rondeau and her efforts to support our righteous cause.

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Fitzpatrick: You are definitely having an impact

“THEY’RE SCARED TO DEATHâ€

Originally Posted by [url=http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/actionweek.html

SafeguardOurConstitution.com[/url]]TERRY LAKIN ACTION WEEK - NOV 15-19

On December 14, Army officer LTC Terry Lakin will be appearing in a courtroom at Fort Meade, Maryland- for the court-martial he invited by disobeying military orders in pursuit of the truth about Obama's Constitutional eligibility under Article II, Section 1, requiring the President and Commander-in-Chief be a "natural born" citizen. LTC Lakin tried many times, without success, through his chains of command, to seek an answer to his nagging question- is Barack Obama legally, Constitutionally eligible, to serve as head of the U.S. Armed Forces?

With Congress back for the "lame duck" session we are urging Terry's advocates to make calls to Capitol Hill- and to newly elected Members of Congress- during the week of Nov 15-19 to urge them to speak up for LTC Lakin and to provide feedback on the response to those calls. Remember that the U.S. Congress works for you- and that Members have a certain obligation to respond to constituent inquiries- but please be polite and respectful in advancing your point of view.

The Capitol Switchboard is 202/225-3121 and the Senate is 202/224-3121. You may reach any House or Senate office through these telephone numbers. The internet addresses are as follows: www.house.gov and www.senate.gov

Please consider this short guidance and talking points below:

• Ask to speak to the legislative assistant who handles defense issues. If unavailable, ask to speak to the legislative staffer who handles the Judiciary Committee and Constitutional issues. Avoid speaking to the receptionist, as this person generally is a junior staffer and does not have legislative responsibilities. Please be sure to take down the name of the Congressional staffer and keep notes on the content of your conversation.
  Ask if the Congressman or Senator believes that a decorated military officer should face jail time for upholding his sworn oath to the Constitution- and for seeking assurance that his military orders were legal-- issued by a lawful Commander-in-Chief, when a copy of Barack Obama's original birth certificate would cost $11.50 to obtain?
  [list:n5s2s9cj](Keep in mind that the Obama online Certification of Live Birth which appeared on some websites in 2008 is NOT an original birth certificate- it is a laser-printed, computer generated document- the original 1961 birth filing-- which produced the two newspapers announcements in Hawaiian papers, remains concealed at Barack Obama's directive). Also remember that the State of Hawaii has never claimed that the Certification of Live Birth is a state-issued document. Realize most Members of Congress who've answered letters on the eligibility issue believe Obama was "natural born" because they believed he was born in Hawaii- therefore, press them on this next question:
  Why has no hospital in Hawaiil claimed to be the birthplace of Obama and why were two hospital names given out to the press (first, Queens Medical Center and then Kapi'olani)?- and why has no doctor or midwife's name been identified by any Obama spokesman? What possible explanation could be there be for the lack of a hospital name or attending physician- two standard data points common to original birth certificates?

Finally, ask if the Congressman is willing to speak up to and demand Obama act to avert a possible jail sentence for LTC Lakin for staying true to his sworn oath and for doing his duty- to uphold the U.S. Constitution. (and remember, ALL Members of Congress also take an oath to support the U.S. Constitution).[/list:u:n5s2s9cj]
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The cockroaches are running for cover. This is good news! WE THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE DENIED!

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“THEY’RE SCARED TO DEATHâ€

For wide distribution: this two-page flyer which supports LTC Dr. Terry Lakin in his battle to support and defend the Constitution against an enemy, foreign and domestic, against an impostor who by intrigue has seized the post of Commander-in-Chief, against this unlawful usurper of the Office of President.