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    Expect Sheriff Joe to subpoena "the original" ink-and-paper birth document and the entire microfilm roll containing Barack Obama II's purported birth record. (How strange... I had never in my life used the word "purported" before this thread began on Nov. 5, 2008.)

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldNetDaily
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    Panel probing eligibility for 2012 ballot wants to see original birth certificate


    Posted: October 31, 2011
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    Sheriff Joe Arpaio

    Arizona's maverick Sheriff Joe Arpaio promised surprises in his jurisdiction's investigation of Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidential ballot and his Cold Case Posse is delivering
    raising questions that touch on the authenticity of the long-form birth certificate issued last April and the possibility Obama is using a fraudulent Social Security Number.

    Sources close to the investigation say the posse has decided it needs to see original birth records before it can conclude whether Obama should be eligible for the presidential ballot in 2012, not an electronic file or scanned copies.

    The sources say the panel needs to examine the microfilm documenting Obama's birth, as well as the ink-and-paper original 1961 birth records the Hawaii Department of Health is holding in its vault.

    The PDF file and various scanned copies of the birth certificate that the White House released April 27 are simply not good enough, the posse has determined.

    Earlier this month, WND senior staff reporter Jerome R. Corsi spent 18 hours over a two-day period in Arizona briefing the Cold Case Posse on a wide range of evidence regarding Obama's eligibility.

    "The posse wants to see the entire microfilm roll containing Obama's birth certificate, not just a microfilm copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate in isolation," Corsi explained. "An individual microfilm copy could be forged, but forging the entire microfilm reel on which Obama's birth certificate is in sequence would be almost impossible."

    Also, Corsi said, the posse wants the ink-and-paper original 1961 Obama birth records still held in vault by the Hawaii Department of Health to be released publicly and subjected to independent court-authorized forensic examination.

    Corsi affirmed that the posse's conclusion it needs to see the Obama birth certificate microfilm is part of the "shock" that Arpaio warned would be forthcoming, when he spoke last week to the Surprise Tea Party group meeting in Surprise, Ariz..

    The focus on the microfilm records of Obama's birth arose after Arpaio's investigators realized the birth certificates of twins born the day after Obama, the Nordykes, had been released as white-on-black copies of microfilm to the family by the Hawaii Department of Health in 1966.

    WND reported in July 2009 that Mrs. Eleanor Nordyke made public the copies in an article by the Honolulu Advertiser.


    Eleanor Nordyke displays photostats of her twin daughters' birth certificates
    (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser) - link fails

    WND also has reported that the Obama birth certificate's number appears to be out of sequence with the birth certificates of the Nordyke twins.

    The Nordyke twins were born Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama, and their birth certificates were registered Aug. 11, 1961, three days later than Obama. Yet their birth certificates have lower numbers.

    Susan Nordyke, the twin born first, has certificate number 10637, and her sister Gretchen has certificate number 10638. Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961, and registered Aug. 8, 1961, has certificate number 10641.

    "In 1961, Barack Obama was not a celebrity," Corsi commented. "If the Nordyke twins birth certificates were reduced to microfilm or microfiche by 1966, the date Mrs. Nordyke got the copies she made public, then Obama's birth certificate should have been reduced to microfilm or microfiche at the same time."

    Corsi also indicated that the Arizona posse has interviewed court-certified forensic examiners who have advised that they can only issue an expert opinion on whether Obama's birth certificate is a forgery if they can examine the original ink-and-paper records.

    Corsi told WND the Arpaio investigation is far-reaching in scope.

    In addition to examining whether or not the long-form birth certificate is a forgery, the Cold Case Posse is examining evidence that Obama may have a fraudulent Social Security Number. The posse also is looking at records pertaining to Obama's birth narrative that suggest Barack Obama Sr. may not be the biological father.

    "In total, the Cold Case Posse has assembled some 2,000 pages of evidence in the case," Corsi explained, "and is now preparing to conduct interviews to examine a wide range of questions, including that Obama may not be qualified to be president under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution because he was a dual citizen at birth, given that his father was listed as a citizen of Kenya when the future president was born."

    Corsi said the Cold Case Posse is currently in the process of briefing various Arizona state officials about the progress of the investigation.

    "Sheriff Arpaio said this would be a thorough and diligent investigation," Corsi said, "and that is exactly what the investigation has become. Sheriff Arpaio once again has proven to be a man of his word."


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    Ex-Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI) is now running for the U.S. Senate. After three years of carrying water for the Conman-in-Chief, she probably considers herself entitled to a career in high office in the Capital of Career Criminals.

    It behooves us to oust Mr. Obama BEFORE the elections AND to bring his Hawaii enablers to justice BEFORE they can profit further from their crimes of fraud, abuse of government authority, and obstruction of justice. It will be harder to prosecute a sitting U.S. Senator than a mere ex-Governor.

    "The people's sense of fairness will not long allow a corrupt government to stand, before it collapses under the guilt of its own criminality, weighed and found wanting on the scales of innate justice."
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    As I suggested before, if Sheriff Joe determines that significant evidence exists that Obama cannot be a candidate in Arizona, then other states will surely follow suit. It will snowball as a natural consequence. Has any election in the past been allowed to proceed if even one state said no?
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    Sheriff Joe must press Tom Horne, Attorney General for the State of Arizona, to bring this case for the State of Arizona directly to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The Supreme Court is the only court of competent jurisdiction over the State of Hawaii to which Sheriff Joe has access.

    "ThePaidTroll" wrote to Mrs. Sharon Rondeau at The Post & Email:

    • According to today's WND [Nov. 1, 2011], Sheriff Arpaio's Posse has determined that in order to come to any conclusion, they must first obtain Obama's original Birth Certificate or a Certified copy from the State of Hawaii.

      Since Hawaii will not release the Birth Certificates of any of its citizens without the permission of the birth subject and since neither Sheriff Arpaio nor his posse have [any] authority whatsoever to force Hawaii to release Obama's Birth Certificate, what WND is saying is that Sheriff Arpaio's investigation is dead in the water.

      Knowing this, what real difference other then making you feel better are you claiming that will be served by having Sheriff Huston go through the same process and come to the same conclusion?

    ___________

    For The Post & Email, Mrs. Sharon Rondeau replies:


    ___________

    "ThePaidTroll" replies:

    • The statute that you are referring to that amends Section 338-18, Hawaii Revised Statutes to authorize the Hawaii department of health to provide certain public health records to law enforcement officers to facilitate criminal investigations is Hawaii State Senate Bill 1237.

      However, if you read section 3 of the bill [as amended, but not yet passed,] you will discover that it does not take effect until July 1st of the year 2050.

      Pursuant to current Hawaii law, Hawaii will not release the Birth Certificates of any of its birth subjects without the express permission of the birth subject absent a court order [from a court of competent jurisdiction,] that is (there being no Honolulu Municipal Court), the State of Hawai'i Circuit Court for O'ahu, the Hawai'i Intermediate Court of Appeals, the Hawai'i Supreme Court (Chief Justice Mark E. Recktenwald), the U.S. District Court for the District of Hawai'i (Chief Judge Susan Oki Mollway), the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit (Chief Judge Alex Kozinski), or the U.S. Supreme Court (Chief Justice John Roberts)].

      So far, no Hawaii Court or US Federal court has issued such an order and there is no indication that any court intends to issue such an order to allow Sheriff Arpaio or any other law enforcement officer access to the Birth Certificate.

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    MinutemanCDC_SC: According to H.R.S. 338-18, inspection of an original public health statistics record requires a court order from a court of competent jurisdiction. SB 1237, S.D. 1, has not yet passed and is of no effect, for now. For the current session,

    • THE SENATE
      TWENTY-SIXTH LEGISLATURE, 2011
      STATE OF HAWAII,

    there are two almost identical versions of SB1237:

    Friday, January 28, 2011 4:08 PM 15779 SB1237_.htm, which states,
    "SECTION 3. This Act shall take effect upon its approval," and

    Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:40 PM 13826 SB1237_SD1_.HTM, which states,
    "SECTION 3. This Act shall take effect on July 1, 2050."

    SB1237, S.D. 1, the amended bill, is otherwise identical to the original SB1237.

    This change in the date of effect was made in committee as follows:

    • "Your Committees on Health and Public Safety, Government Operations, and Military Affairs, to which was referred S.B. No. 1237 entitled:
      'A BILL FOR AN ACT RELATING TO THE DISCLOSURE OF VITAL STATISTICS RECORDS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS,'
      have amended this measure by:
      (1) Inserting an effective date of July 1, 2050, to allow for further discussion of this measure;"

    www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/CommReports/SB1237_SD1_SSCR236_.HTM

    The change from "upon its approval" to "on July 1, 2050," was signed by:

    • SEN. WILL ESPERO, Chair, Committee on Public Safety, Government Operations, and Military Affairs (PGM), and
      SEN. JOSH GREEN, M.D., Chair, Committee on Health (HTH), and
      voted "aye" by Senators Espero, Kidani, Baker, Ryan, and Slom of the PGM Committee.

    www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1237

    On Feb. 16, 2011, the Hawaii Senate passed the second reading of SB 1237, S.D. 1, and referred it to:

    • the Committee on Judiciary and Labor (JDL),
      Senator Clayton Hee, Chair, and
      Senator Maile S.L. Shimabukuro, Vice Chair,

    where it now rests until the Senate convenes for the next session.
    (The Hawaii Legislature adjourned sine die on May 5, 2011.)

    SB1237, S.D.1, is still in committee, so the current statutes show no such amendment (yet).

    For the foreseeable future, the governing statute will continue to be H.R.S. 338-18, which reads (in part):

    • (b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
      [list:3irej9us](9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;


    (g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:
    • (1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;
      (2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities;
      (3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;
      (4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or
      (5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes. [L 1949, c 327, 22; RL 1955, 57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, 19; am L 1967, c 30, 2; HRS 338-18; am L 1977, c 118, 1; am L 1991, c 190, 1; am L 1997, c 305, 5; am L 2001, c 246, 2]
    [/list:u:3irej9us]
    www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm


    Of course, when government authorities simply rule according to whatever the powers that be tell them to do,
    it is the height of folly to imagine that laws and statutes still apply, except for the law of the jungle.
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    I wonder if Sheriff Arpio could go the way of Homeland Security?
    Claiming it is a matter of National Security?
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    From: MinutemanCDC_SC
    To: Orly Taitz Esq.


    Sheriff Joe must press Tom Horne, Attorney General for the State of Arizona,
    to bring this case for the State of Arizona directly to the U.S. Supreme Court.


    The U.S. Supreme Court is the only court of competent jurisdiction over the State of Hawaii to which Sheriff Joe has direct access.
    you can't do it

    Dr. Orly Taitz ESQ

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    Ed.: I don't see why not. SCOTUS is the only recourse for disputes between the states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotofPast
    I wonder if Sheriff Arpaio could go the way of Homeland Security?
    Claiming it is a matter of National Security?
    The same Dept. of Homeland Security that floated Operation Gunrunner and Fast & Furious?
    ... which released 2000+ sniper rifles and fully automatic weapons to Mexican drug cartels?
    The DHS that is headed by Director Janet Napolitano, and which reports to AG Eric Holder?

    That would be interesting. . . not the most productive channel, perhaps, but interesting.
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    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    Dr. Alan Keyes explains why Art. ii, § 1, ¶ 5 eligibility
    is important to upholding the US Constitution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0sQroiCYNc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dDf3jkKw6I
    _____________________________________

    Butterdezillion has checked out the dubious seal which appears on the last of the three renditions of the purported LFBC released on April 27, 2011. She questions whether the purported LFBC even came from the Hawaii Dept. of Health. (Not that we ever thought it did, given the chain of custody: carried from HI to DC by Mr. Obama's lawyers.)


    [quote="[url=http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/wnd-birth-certificate-forgery/#comment-4298]Butterdezillion[/url]"][size=117]October 30, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    The actual HDOH Administrative Rules (Chapter 8b, found at
    http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/Adm ... 0Rules.pdf ) say:

    “Standard certified copies shall contain an appropriate certification statement over the signature of the registrar having custody of the record and be impressed with the raised seal of the issuing office. The signature may be photographed or entered by mechanical means. The paper shall display the official seal of the Department of Health or the seal of the State.
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    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
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    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    [size=117]Documents from Kenya and university registrations had previously established that Barrack Hussain Obama, Sr., was born in 1934. But the two forged counterfeit birth documents for Barack Obama II state that Barrack Sr. was born in 1936.

    Obama Sr. may have told Madelyn Dunham that he was two years younger in order to reduce the age disparity with SAD, who was impregnated while yet 17. But he did not need to fake his age to qualify for the Romeo and Juliet law, because the age of consent in Hawaii at that time was notoriously lower than 18.

    Obama Sr. demonstrated little or no fatherly attachment or connection to his purported son. Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. never shared a household, and there is no evidence that they ever shared a family relationship. To the contrary, Ann Obama apparently did everything she could to avoid being with Obama Sr. after she gave birth, and perhaps long before that. She entered into that sham "marriage" to legitimize her baby-on-the-way. Obama Sr. and Barack II would have no father-son family relationship or shared family life, and they may well have had no biological connection or shared DNA either. http://theobamafile.com/_family/Anna.htm

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    . . Frank Marshall . . . Barrack Hussain . . . Barack Hussein . . . . Malcolm X
    . . . . . Davis . . . . . . . . . Obama, Sr . . . . . . . . Obama II
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    CERTIFIGATE

    Sheriff Joe's posse delivers promised Obama surprise


    Panel probing eligibility for 2012 ballot wants to see original birth certificate

    Posted: October 31, 2011
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    © 2011 WND


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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldNetDaily
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    Sheriff Joe's posse delivers promised Obama surprise


    Panel probing eligibility for 2012 ballot wants to see original birth certificate
    Please review the comments at http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... -4653.html ,
    especially the jurisdiction problem http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... -4655.html .

    Sheriff Joe's lack of jurisdiction over the Hawaii Dept. of Health now requires pressing Arizona
    AG Tom Horne to bring this case as Arizona v. the U.S., directly to the U.S. Supreme Court.
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    LEX REX, "the Law is King," is one of the founding principles of the American revolution against the tyrant, King George III. But the dumbing-down of genus Publicus Americanus to "Do as yer tol'" as the guiding principle of authority and government has brought LEX REX from its position atop the ladder of principle, down to its knees.
    • 1) Survival is king, or the will to live: human need for the basics - oxygen, water, and including love - to sustain life overpowers force.

      2) The barrel of a gun is king, or the law of the jungle: "Might makes right."

      3) Cash is king: the rule of gold, "He who has the gold makes the rules," and the rule of the marketplace, "The customer is always right."

      4) The Chief is king: the rule of tyrants, from Nebuchadnezzar to Nero, and from Mµhαmmεd to Mr. Obama.

      5) The Crowd is king, or absolute democracy: Mars Hill of ancient Athens, the town square, "the neighbors," or on occasion, mob rule.

      6) The Proletariat is king, or oligarchy by the experts of bureaucracy, a goal of the People's Republic of China.

      7) The Republic is king, or oligarchy by the people's representatives: in theory, the U.S. government.

      8 ) The Judge is king, or fear of punishment and judgment; a pre-Judeo-Christian sense of impending doom now and eternal damnation after death, at the hands of an angry God.

      9 ) The Law is king, or indoctrinated obedience to the rightful law of the land: ancient Israel (1446 BC - 70 AD), and in theory, our Constitutional Republic.

      10) The L
    • ORD is King: our voluntary submission to the benevolent authority and dictates of Christ our King, the Lord of heaven and earth.

    In the United States today, how much actual authority derives from each of these?
    (Hint: guess the proportion, in percent, of 1, 2, 3, and 4.)
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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