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    His being a sharp-left liberal is the danger I believe he presents to America-the idea of him possibly bringing us closer to a socialist or communist state. Muslims don't agree with gay marriage or abortion, plus he orchestrated the death of Khadafi and bin Laudin, so I don't believe he's really a Muslim.

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    I encourage everyone to see Obama's America: 2016. Great documentary that will inform the uninformed.
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn View Post
    I encourage everyone to see Obama's America: 2016. Great documentary that will inform the uninformed.
    I haven't seen "2016" yet, but it's an important movie, I'm sure, and I hope it will clue in the clueless.

    There is one caveat. Dinesh d'Souza is accepted as the voice of truth and the keeper of the secrets about Mr. Obama in some quarters: mainly among the intel-agencia who wear blinders concerning his constitutional ineligibility for the Presidency. But Mr. d'Souza has an agenda... more like a thesis, a point of view, or a pair of tinted glasses through which he sees or apprehends the world. His thesis is that the European colonialism in Africa (and India and Latin America), which antedated Mr. Obama's birth in 1961 in Mombasa, Kenya, had ubiquitous consequences with universal ill effects in all previously colonial countries. I'm not sure how his model fits the United States, but that's neither here nor there, neither now nor then.

    Publicizing the scars left by colonialism is Mr. d'Souza's shtick, and it's a good one when it's not overplayed or run into the ground. But pointing to colonialism as the reason for all of Africa's | India's | Latin America's problems, poverty, and violent rage is not only simplistic, but just wrong. These peoples had equally desperate problems, destitute poverty, and savage massacres before they ever encountered Western (originally Christian) Civilization, before they ever saw a European or a Caucasian. However, dinging colonialism plays well to the European (and liberal) inner need for self-blame, self-humiliation, self-flagellation, and self-punishment.

    During colonialism, the main social structure that was missing was the strongman rule by brutal despots, fantastically rich (compared to the commoners and serfs) and self-indulgent: Montezuma II of the Aztecs, "Papa Doc" Duvalier in Haiti, General Augusto Pinochet of Chile, Nicolae Ceausescu of Carpathia (Romania), Manuel Noriega of Panama, Bosnian Serb Ratko Mladic, Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, Charles Taylor in Liberia, Col. Muammar Qaddafi of Libya, Yasser Arafat of the PLO, Idi Amin, the Butcher of Uganda, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Ivan the Terrible and Joseph Stalin in Russia, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, Kim Il-Sung/Kim Jong-Il/Kim Jong-Un in North Korea, and . . .

    Colonialism or foreign ownership cuts off the top of the pyramid, denying
    sovereign dictators absolute power and its lucrative reward. But the Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman, Spanish, British, and German Empires each had no lack of bloodthirsty, self-serving despots at the top, even as they eliminated such obscene excesses within their colonies. An empire of twenty nations eliminates the dictators in half of those nations (and the democracies in the other half), replacing them with a single dictator of the empire. One dictator instead of ten dictators would appear to be at least some degree of improvement, IMHO... or maybe not.

    There were only eight functioning democracies in the world before 1910. One hundred years later in 2009, Freedom House designated 89 countries as free democracies, representing 46% of the world's population.

    Regardless, foreign rule is not to blame for all the troubles of sovereign nations that were formerly colonies. Likewise, colonialism is not to blame for all the baggage that Mr. Obama brings to the Oval Office... not the half of it. He was indoctrinated into Marxism and Soviet Communism right here in the United States, not far from Pearl Harbor
    in Honolulu, by his Communist grandparents, his radical revolutionary, hippie-chick mother, and his mentor, card-carrying CPUSA member Frank Marshall Davis. Barrack Hussain Obama, Sr.'s anti-colonialist rage had no impact upon Barack Obama II, whose only meeting with his supposed father was for a few hours in the Honolulu Airport, shortly before Christmas of 1971.

    Sorry, Mr. d'Souza, but no cigar. You would have done better to focus on the Kenyan birth and the Kenyan father of record. No courage, no commission, no quarter.

    In spite of Mr. d'Souza's agenda, thesis, or point of view, "2016" should be a good movie. I'll have to see it.
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    Kansas panel delays ballot decision on Obama

    Kobach seeks Democrat's birth records from Hawaii

    Posted: September 13, 2012 - 5:57pm

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    Attorney General Derek Schmidt, left, and Secretary of State Kris Kobach listen to Joe Montgomery as he states his objections to President Barack Obama being on the ballot in Kansas during the State Objection Board meeting at Memorial Hall in Topeka.





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    Three of the state's top elected Republicans on Thursday determined they lacked sufficient evidence of President Barack Obama's birth records to decide whether to remove the Democratic nominee from the November ballot in Kansas.


    The State Objections Board comprised of Secretary of State Kris Kobach, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer postponed until Monday action on a complaint filed by a Manhattan resident pending review of a copy of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii.


    "I don't think it's a frivolous objection," Kobach said. "I do think the factual record could be supplemented."


    Requests were to be sent to officials in Hawaii, Arizona and Mississippi in an attempt to secure copies of the president's birth records. Obama released a copy of his birth certificate last year, but detractors persist in advancing "birther" arguments that the Democrat lacked standing.


    Removal of Obama's name in Kansas — a state certain to side with Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney — would be strange given the president's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, and maternal grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, were Kansas natives.


    “My Kansas roots run deep,” Obama said during a trip to Osawatomie in December.
    Joe Montgomery, who filed the ballot challenge with the all-Republican panel, said the president's father held British and Kenyan citizenship, making Obama ineligible to run for the nation's highest office.


    Montgomery pointed to a handful of U.S. Supreme Court cases to support his claim a presidential candidate must be a "natural born citizen" from two American citizens.
    "As for Mr. Obama's citizenship, there are many doubts," he said. "Doing the right thing can be hard and unpopular."


    A legal representative of Obama submitted a letter arguing the complaint had no merit.


    No representative of the Kansas Democratic Party attended the hearing in a Topeka auditorium.


    Dakota Loomis, spokesman for the state Democratic Party, declined to answer directly whether the complaint was justified. Instead, he criticized Gov. Sam Brownback's approval of a bill reducing state income taxes.


    "We're focusing on Kansas candidates and letting people know about Brownback's tax plan," Loomis said.


    Montgomery, who works at the College of Veterinary Medicine at Kansas State University, said Obama hadn’t provided valid documentary evidence to establish his birth in the United States.


    In Montgomery's written complaint, he declared "there is substantial evidence showing that much of Mr. Obama's alleged birth certificates have been forged or doctored, and have not been confirmed as legally valid, true and accurate."


    Meanwhile, the state board decided Democrat Tom Sawyer could remain on ballots in Wichita as a candidate for the Kansas House. Craig Gabel, president of Kansans for Liberty and an advocate of Sawyer's opponent in the November election, said Sawyer misrepresented on state documents his actual address.


    Gabel referred to the residence listed on Sawyer's candidate filing records as having been "abandoned."


    Sawyer said the home in question had been his address since 1993, and he was standing in the residence while participating on a conference call with the state board. He had spent considerable time the past few years caring for his elderly mother after she suffered a stroke.


    "This is the only house I've ever owned," Sawyer said.


    Kobach said the board interpreted state law on candidate residency to require clear evidence with the burden of proof on the person filing a complaint. He said candidates were required to reside at the listed residence or demonstrate intent to return there in the future.


    "I've been to Yellowstone once," Gabel said in response, "but I'm not sure I'm going to return."


    The panel also declared the Reform Party of Kansas had authority to place on the state's ballot Chuck Baldwin for president instead of the national organization's choice. In addition, the board approved a request to remove presidential candidate Roseanne Barr from Kansas ballots.





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    His being a sharp-left liberal is the danger I believe he presents to America-the idea of him possibly bringing us closer to a socialist or communist state. Muslims don't agree with gay marriage or abortion, plus he orchestrated the death of Khadafi and bin Laudin, so I don't believe he's really a Muslim.

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    [ED.: It is not clear from the following whether or not the Kansas Board of Objections will still make a ruling on Mr. Obama's placement on the ballot, in spite of Joe Montgomery withdrawing his complaint under obvious duress.]

    September 14, 2012 [Friday afternoon]

    Objection to Obama to be withdrawn

    Staff and wire reports

    A Manhattan man said Friday he is withdrawing a complaint he filed with state election officials over President Obama's eligibility to be on the November general election ballot.

    Joe Montgtomery said he was withdrawing the complaint, heard Thursday by the Board of Objections, because of reaction that had been directed at him and at others.


    "There's been a lot of animosity directed at people around me ... in ways that are intimidating," Montgomery said Friday afternoon.


    He said he believes "strongly in the issue I presented, and was hoping to create a dialogue." Instead, he said, the reaction "has been very angry and mis-directed and I don't believe I should be putting a burden on people around me, who are good people."

    Montgomery told The Mercury earlier Monday he believed he had presented "compelling evidence" to state officials for why Obama's name should be removed from the November general election ballot. State election officials delayed a decision, citing what they characterized as a need for more information. Meanwhile, a state civil rights leader organized a protest against the board's failure to immediately dismiss the matter.


    The all-Republican Board heard arguments Thursday on the claim that Obama is not eligible to be president because his father was from Kenya. Montgomery also questioned whether Obama has a valid birth certificate.


    Obama has said he was born in Hawaii, and officials in that state have repeatedly confirmed his citizenship. His mother was a Kansas native.

    The state board is led by Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who during his successful 2010 campaign suggested Obama should produce his long-form birth certificate to quell doubts about his status. The board's other members are Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer.

    The board, which would have the final say on the ballot absent a court challenge, plans to meet again Monday and may rule then.


    Montgomery said Friday that he came away from the hearing "a little disappointed" due to the absence of an immediate decision, yet optimistic that he had presented "compelling evidence" for his case.


    Montgomery argued Thursday that to be eligible for president, both of Obama's parents had to be U.S. citizens when he was born, another long-circulating claim that includes citations of U.S. Supreme Court decisions, some more than a century old.


    Schmidt and Kobach disagreed. Kobach said Montgomery was "trying to read too much in these very old decisions."


    The secretary of state said the delay shouldn't be interpreted as the board giving credence to claims that Obama isn't eligible, but as a signal it wants to build a more complete record.


    "We have to take our responsibilities seriously," he said. "Taking it seriously means that we make a decision with all of the evidence that can be obtained before we decide it."


    Kansas Democratic Party Chairwoman Joan Wagnon called the delay "lunacy."


    Board members said they want certified documents from Hawaii. Kobach plans to have his staff contact officials in Arizona and Mississippi, which also have looked into such issues. Hawaii sent Arizona official verification of Obama's birth records.

    Kobach said it would have been difficult for Montgomery to prevail, particularly because Kansas has a high legal standard for removing a candidate from the ballot.


    But he said, "I don't think it's a frivolous objection."


    News of the hearing provoked a high level of feedback both locally and nationally. Sonny Scroggins, perhaps the state's best-known civil rights leader, scheduled a protest against the state board's failure to immediate dismiss the suit for noon Friday, and said he planned a second such demonstration for noon Monday as well.


    Montgomery acknowledged that animosity was directed toward his family members and to his connection with K-State, where he is associated with the College of Veterinary Medicine.


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    [ED.: I made spelling and grammar corrections to Atty. Orly Taitz's statement.]

    Dr. [Orly] Taitz, Esq. has no means of checking the veracity of all the claims and allegations in the articles.


    Press release on Kansas challenge against Obama

    Posted on | September 17, 2012

    Press release by attorney Orly Taitz.

    Report on Kansas challenge against Obama.

    Today, as I entered the assembly, I saw the “Occupy people”
    with signs, ready for fight, and fight it was.


    At the hearing I brought 2 main points:

    1. Original objector to Obama’s candidacy, Joseph Montgomery, withdrew his objection under duress. It was widely published that he was under duress. He, his family and co-workers were harassed with e-mails and phone calls. I forwarded to the Sec. of State all of the evidence. I argued to him that duress negates the intent. If the withdrawal was under duress, it is invalid. I gave him an example of rape. If a rape victim withdraws her criminal complaint against a thug who raped her because she is under duress, because he threatens to kill her and her family, such withdrawal of criminal complaint is invalid, as it was under duress.

    Koback claims that he did not receive evidence of duress. It was a complete lie. I forwarded to him evidence of duress, and his attorney Ryan Kriegshouser confirmed that he received it.

    2. Second point was that he claimed that he no longer has jurisdiction to hear the objections. I responded, that is not true as well, as according to the Kansas annotated statute 25-208a, he has 10 days, which will not expire until the end of the day today[, Monday, Sept. 17, 2012]. See the chapter below. He said that it is not in the statute. I stated that it is in the statute and demanded that he read the statute to the public sitting in the audience, as it is a public hearing, and the public is entitled to know whether he has jurisdiction or not.

    3. Finally, one of his staff attorneys found the statute below and read it.

    At that point the public could hear that the 10 day period is correct, but the staff attorney came up with a third excuse. He claimed that, because the statute says that it is related to the nomination, it does not apply, as we are talking about the certification.

    I responded and argued that in this case it is the same: the certification is indeed a nomination by the Democratic party of Obama as a candidate for the U.S. Presidency. It is a nomination, and it is a declaration by the Democratic Party convention that they nominated Obama as their candidate; therefore the Secretary of State has the right and the jurisdiction and the duty to hear the evidence.

    4. Lastly Koback claimed that even if he were to have the jurisdiction, there is a letter from the Registrar in Hawaii. I responded to him that this letter from [Honolulu Co. Registrar Alvin] Onaka is negated by the evidence that I provided previously, that Obama is using a stolen CT Social Security number, [a] forged birth certificate, and a forged Selective Service [registration] certificate. [ED.: it is my understanding that the full faith and credit clause of the U.S. Constitution requires other states to accept the statements by Hawaii, even those that are manifestly, prima facie false, unless those statements are conclusively adjudicated to be false or in error, which could take years, if ever.
    Unfortunately.]

    At that point, the other two people on the board, two operatives sent by the Attorney General, Derek Schmidt, and the Lt. Gov., Jeff Colyer, got really restless, (Schmidt and Colyer were afraid to show their faces). They demanded to vote immediately, and they demanded to dismiss the challenge immediately and adjourn the meeting, which they did.

    Koback stated that I can bring my arguments to the Superior court. He was a bit better than [the] others, but at the end of the day, his adherence to the Constitution is nothing but hot air and show. He follows the same marching orders as the rest of the establishment. In my mind, I was wondering whether the whole challenge and hearing were staged in order to show that something is done and to promote three young bureaucrats in KS: Koback, Schmidt and Colyer. Keep in mind, the public already suspects Schmidt to be a part of the establishment, due to his decision to dismiss the case against the Planned Parenthood.

    My testimony [piqued] the interest of the media, and after the hearing I gave interviews to Associated Press, ABC, NBC, CBS, Kansas public radio and a number of other local papers and stations. I gave them the video tape of the hearing in GA, videotaped sworn testimony of the witnesses and all the documents. Some of the reporters gave me their names. One was from WIBW-TV, I believe it is [an] NBC or CBS affiliate in Kansas, and he said that he believes that the report will be on [the] 6 pm news. Other reporters were Lauren Seabrook and Scott Schyle.

    It was clear that all of Obama’s thugs were under the marching orders to yell and scream and not let me speak. As I was giving the interviews, they formed a half circle behind me, about 20 men, most of them African American men, who were yelling, screaming, [and] heckling. I thought [that] in a minute, they would beat me up. When we were going downstairs, a policeman went with me and told the hecklers not to follow us, but to go in the elevator. The police had to move the interview 3 times and disperse [the hecklers] due to constant yelling and heckling.

    The protesters did not have any valid arguments, of course. They were yelling “Stop it, stop it.” “Show us your birth certificate, where were you born? Racist! Obama’s mother is from Kansas, he is one of us. Everyone is equal under the law.” Later, reporters interviewed some of the protesters who protested against me. I pointed out to the Associated Press reporter and others the difference between me and Obama’s thugs. I pointed [out] to them that when I spoke, Obama’s people were yelling, screaming, [and] acted like wild animals, while when they spoke, I was silent and politely listened to what they had to say. Obama and his people believe that politeness and civility should go only one way: we need to be civil towards them, but they do not need to show any civility, and they believe they can drown the truth and justice with yelling and screaming and heckling.

    I noted that indeed everyone is equal under the law, that anyone else committing the same crimes as Obama: using a stolen Social Security number, [a] forged birth certificate, and a forged Selective Service certificate, would go to prison, and that is where Obama belongs, as we are indeed equal under the law.

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    Chapter 25: Elections
    Article 2: Primary Elections

    Statute 25-208a: Validity of nominations; determination; duties of secretary of state and county election officers; objections.

    (a) Within 10 days, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays not included, from the date of the filing of nomination petitions or a declaration of intention to become a candidate for United States senator or representative or for state office, the secretary of state shall determine the validity of such petitions or declaration. The secretary of state shall send a copy of all petitions to the county election officer of the county of the district in which the nomination petition was passed. The county election officer shall check the petitions only for valid signatures and certify the results of such check to the secretary of state within 10 days, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays not included, of the date the petitions were filed with the secretary. The secretary of state upon receipt of the validated petition from the county election officer shall notify the candidate of the validity of the petition.

    (b) Within three days from the date of the filing of nomination petitions or a declaration of intention to become a candidate for county or township office or for precinct committeeman or committeewoman, the county election officer shall determine the validity of such petitions or declaration.

    (c) If any nomination petitions or declarations are found to be invalid, the secretary of state or the county election officer, as the case may be, shall notify the candidate on whose behalf the petitions or declaration was filed that such nomination petitions or declaration have been found to be invalid and the reason for the finding. Such candidate may make objection to the finding of invalidity by the secretary of state or the county election officer in accordance with K.S.A. 25-308 and amendments thereto.


    History: L. 1978, ch. 135, § 1; L. 1989, ch. 107, § 2; L. 1990, ch. 121, § 1; July 1.

    Reports on rage during the KS hearing

    Posted on | September 17, 2012


    Monday, September 17th, 2012 | Posted by Associated Press

    • – President Barack Obama’s place on the November election ballot in Kansas now is secure.

    The all-Republican State Objections Board formally ended its review Monday morning of whether the Democratic president should be listed as a candidate for re-election.

    The board’s action came after Manhattan resident Joe Montgomery dropped his objection. Montgomery said Friday he was withdrawing his challenge because of what he called intimidation directed at him and people around him.

    But California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz showed up at the meeting demanding to speak. [She] told board members they were ignoring evidence questioning Obama’s citizenship.

    That brought an angry response from Topeka progressive activist T.J. Gaughan. He and a few other Obama supporters shouted at Taitz. A security officer ordered them outside.


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    Dr. James David Manning explains how Malcolm X could be Barack Hussein
    (The Long Legged Mack Daddy) Obama's father. Recorded on 18 July 2012.


    Either Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis would satisfy the Constitutional
    requirement for a U.S. citizen father to be eligible to the Office of President.

    But the father of record is still Barrack Hussain Obama, Sr., who was never
    a U.S. citizen. Even disproving biological parentage wouldn't change that.


    Quote Originally Posted by the Rev. Dr. James David Manning
    He's the son of Satan! ... That's who his father is.
    ... His father is not Frank Marshall Davis."
    "Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me." - John 8:42-45
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    The Christian Broadcasting Network is hosting 40 days of prayer leading up to the national elections. I offered the following request for prayer at CBN's Pray For America page, without charge, as anyone can.

    Part 1.
    Mr. Obama is usurping the Presidency in defiance of the U.S. Constitution. He annuls Art. ii, § 1, ¶ 5, which protects the nation from seizure of Presidential authority and control of the military by anyone with foreign loyalty.

    A natural born Citizen is
    one born in the country
    of parents who are citizens.

    The U.S. Supreme Court established this interpretation in Minor v Happersett (1875), quoted verbatim as authoritative in U.S. v Wong Kim Ark (189, in both opinion and dissent.
    Part 2.
    See also Perkins v. Elg (1939), The Venus (1814), and Shanks v. DuPont (1830).

    For 110 years after the U.S. Constitution was ratified, birth on U.S. soil alone did not confer citizenship, except to foundlings with no father or mother. To the Framers of the Constitution in 1787, birth in the U.S. by itself did not make one a citizen, much less a member of the more restricted subset, "natural born Citizens," as required to be President.

    The U.S. is occupied by a malignant foreign power.
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    Arpaio investigator: Hawaii still covering up for Obama

    Mike Zullo back from another trip to Honolulu with 'more evidence'

    Published: Sept. 18, 2012. 8pm EDT

    by Jerome R. Corsi

    Jerome R. Corsi, a Harvard Ph.D.,
    is a WND senior staff reporter.
    He has authored many books,
    including No. 1 N.Y. Times best-
    sellers "The Obama Nation" and
    "Unfit for Command." Corsi's
    latest book is "Where's the REAL
    Birth Certificate?"




    Mike Zullo, the lead investigator in Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation of Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president, says he has returned from a second trip to Hawaii with additional evidence the state’s Department of Health is maintaining a cover-up of Obama’s 1961 birth records.

    When Arpaio dispatched Zullo for the second trip, the assignment was kept confidential for Zullo’s safety and to prevent media links. Only Arpaio and the chief deputy of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office were aware of the assignment.

    In Honolulu, Zullo worked closely with local contacts, including Duncan Sunahara, the brother of Virginia Sunahara, an infant child born in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961, the same day Obama was born, and died the next day.

    As WND reported, Virginia Sunahara entered as a figure in the Obama birth controversy because no birth certificate for her had been located, leading to speculation her birth certificate could have been the source of Obama’s.

    Duncan Sunahara has tried to obtain a copy of his sister’s original birth certificate but has been denied.

    “I was shocked by the lengths the Hawaii Department of Health has gone to deny the family of Virginia Sunahara a copy of the original long-form birth certificate that the family is lawfully entitled to request and obtain,” Zullo told WND. “I had to ask the question why this little girl’s 1961 long-form birth certificate was so disconcerting to the Hawaii Department of Health?”


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    Zullo obtained from Duncan Sunahara a copy of proceedings in the Hawaii Circuit Court of the First Circuit in which Hawaii Deputy Attorney General Jill Nagamine appeared before Judge Rhonda Nishimura on March 8, 2012, to argue Duncan Sunahara was not entitled under Hawaii statutes to observe or obtain a copy of his sister’s original 1961 long-form birth certificate.

    During the proceeding, Nagamine argued that Duncan Sunahara’s request did not derive from a true interest to examine or obtain a copy of his sister’s original birth records, to which he was entitled under Hawaii law. Nagamine insisted his underlying interest was to produce evidence in Obama’s birth controversy, to which he was not entitled under Hawaii law.

    Nagamine argued that the original 1961 birth certificate records were delicate and needed protection, and accessing them was burdensome.

    But to get the long form you actually do have to go to the vault. And the records that are in the vault have been bound in volumes, not just the one, not just plaintiff’s sister’s records, but other records from around that time of birth, for example, in this case, the president’s birth certificate, which we know this is all about.

    So these volumes in the vault are kept in temperature-controlled areas, they are bound in volumes, the clerk would have to go and find the volume that it’s in, pull out the volumes. These are old records, and in plaintiff’s case it’s more than 50 years old. They would have to open the volume. They have a special Xerox machine that copies those old records that they don’t remove the binding. They have been bound.

    The plaintiff could not [go] back (sic) in the area of the Department of Health where that special Xerox machine is and he couldn’t go in the vault without this disrupting the security and safety of the other records, the temperature in the room in the vault where the records are kept. So it would be very, very burdensome, not only for the legwork involved going to retrieve the volume, find the volume, find the page, take it to the Xerox machine, copy it.

    So, Nagamine concludes, Duncan Sunahara should be satisfied with the short-form certificate of live birth the Department of Health issued for his sister, even though it is a modern computer-generated form, not a certified exact copy of the original:

    If everybody was getting [a copy of the long-form birth certificate], those days of copies like they did in the old days, the records could not be preserved safely, the pages would be torn, they could not be protected. So the fact that all of this data is computerized, they can get the data. The law means that this data is as good as the original. Plaintiff got the birth certificate, he knows his sister was born. To there – there – it would be very, very burdensome.

    Judge Nishimura denied Duncan Sunahara’s request, agreeing with Nagamine.


    Zullo charges Hawaii with lying


    Zullo was quick to point out that in the court proceedings Nagamine admitted the entire volume of birth certificates containing not only Virginia Sunahara’s long-form certificate, but also those of the Nordyke twins and Barack Obama, has been moved to a special secure location with very limited access.

    “The point apparently is to hide away Obama’s original birth certificate, if it exists and then deny anyone access to see the document on the premise it’s too fragile to examine,” he said.

    “What purpose did the Hawaii Department of Health have in preserving these records if it was not to show them when requested to family members and others who have a legal interest in seeing the documents?”

    See Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s most recent press conference on Obama’s eligibility

    Zullo dismissed Nagamine’s argument that getting a photocopy of a long-form original 1961 birth certificate was a burdensome, time-consuming process that would jeopardize the integrity of all birth documents.

    “Nagamine’s arguments were utterly disingenuous,” Zullo stressed.
    “Her vigorous defense has nothing to do with the integrity of original 1961 birth records. Most likely, Virginia Sunahara’s original long-form birth certificate has a different number than the number on the computer-generated short-form certificate of live birth that the agency released to the family.”

    Zullo further pointed out that Nagamine’s arguments in the Sunahara hearing seem to contradict photographic evidence of Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, registrar of the Hawaii Department of Health, easily locating a volume on a wall-length bookshelf of bound birth certificate volumes.




    “What Onaka showed in that photograph was nothing like what Nagamine argued in court,” Zullo said.


    Numbers out of sequence


    WND reported
    in May 2011 that no birth certificate had been located for Virginia Sunahara at that time.

    Subsequently, the controversy intensified when the Hawaii Department of Health released to Duncan Sunahara a short-form certificate of live birth with the number 151 1961-011080.

    The problem was that the Sunahara birth certificate number was wildly out of sequence with Obama’s birth certificate number and with the birth certificate numbers of the Nordyke twins, who were born in Hawaii the day after Obama.

    WND reported in July 2009
    that the Nordyke twins, born at Kapiolani Hospital, the same hospital as Obama, were issued birth certificate numbers lower than Obama’s.

    Here is the sequence, including Virginia Sunahara:

    • Susan Nordyke was born at Kapiolani Hospital at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time on Aug. 5, 1961, and was given No. 151-61-10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
    • Gretchen Nordyke was born at Kapiolani Hospital at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time on Aug. 5, 1961, and was given No. 151-61-10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
    • Barack Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital at 7:24 p.m. Hawaii time on Aug. 4, 1961, and was given No. 151-61-10641, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 8, 1961.
    • Virginia Sunahara was born at Wahiawa Hospital at 9:16 p.m. Hawaii time on Aug. 4, 1961, and was given No. 161-1961-011080, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 10, 1961.

    So, Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate number is some 440 numbers higher than the Nordyke twins’ and Obama’s birth certificates, even though Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate was filed with the Hawaii registrar two days after Obama and one day before the Nordyke twins.

    Moreover, the inclusion of the full year “1961” in the Sunahara birth certificate violates the pattern seen in the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates and in Obama’s, where the year is represented only by two digits “61.”


    Virginia Sunahara's short-form birth certificate

    These anomalies led Duncan Sunahara to request the Hawaii Department of Health to allow him to witness the production of a direct copy from the long-form birth certificate held by the HDOH in the agency’s vault.

    His purpose was to see if the birth certificate number on the short-form computer-generated certificate of live birth the HDOH issued him had an altered number that had been forged to create the impression the HDOH in 1961 did not number birth certificates in the order in which they were filed.

    If the HDOH in 1961 issued birth certificates randomly, or by a logic other than chronological order of birth, then the fact that Obama’s number is higher than the Nordyke twins numbers could be explained.

    “The reason the Hawaii Department of Health most likely does not want the public to see the original 1961 birth records is that an honest examination would show the forgers made a mistake in assigning to the forged Obama birth certificate a number that was out of sequence,” Zullo insisted.

    “If we could see the original 1961 birth certificate volumes, we would see the Hawaii Department of Health in 1961 assigned numbers in a reasonable and understandable manner – in chronological order of birth, not in random order.”

    He was specifically concerned that the Department of Health has not offered any testimony that the modern computerized data used to generate the short-form certificates of birth have been safeguarded from numerical or other data manipulation.

    “To my amazement, all Nagamine offered the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office as proof Obama was born in Hawaii was a computer-generated list of birth registrations that was contained in a ring binder such that pages could be removed, altered and reinserted,” he noted.

    “There was no level of security other than the closed rings of the binder holding the pages in place.”

    Zullo added that the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office has obtained a signed affidavit from an individual who went to the Department of Health early in the public’s quest for the truth about the Obama birth certificate.

    “That individual states that when he first went to the Hawaii Department of Health’s main office in Honolulu, Obama’s name did not appear in the computerized registration list in the ring binder, but when he went back approximately 14 days later to examine the same list, he was amazed Obama’s name suddenly was there.”

    ‘We didn’t make mistakes’


    In July, WND in Hawaii conducted a telephone interview with Verna K. Lee, the local registrar who signed Obama’s birth certificate.

    Lee told WND all the birth certificates received in a particular month were put in order according to date and time of birth and numbered sequentially at the end of the month.

    The only exception was that birth certificates received from the other islands and from the one local office in Oahu were grouped separately. The purpose was to not under-represent births outside Honolulu or unattended births occurring at home, because only even-number birth certificates were reported to the federal government as mandated by the U.S. Office of Vital Statistics in 1961.

    Birth certificates from the hospitals in Oahu were sent directly to the central office of the Hawaii Department of Health in Honolulu.

    “The birth certificates were all numbered at the end of the month,” Lee said. “It was done by one person at the end of the month.”

    When asked if there could be mistakes in numbering the birth certificates, Lee insisted birth certificates were numbered correctly on her watch.

    “The birth certificates were kept together in a certain room until we numbered them all in a bunch at the end of the month,” she said. “We didn’t get them out of order, and we didn’t number them incorrectly, not in my time.”

    Zullo contended the new revelations provided by Verna K. Lee attested to the care, control and method of sequential numbering of all long-form birth certificates in 1961.

    “It is utterly impossible to have a birth certificate number so far out of sequence as the Sunahara birth certificate and to have that document accepted at a registrar’s office managed by Verna K. Lee,” he said. “The cover-up remains alive and well even today in the Hawaii Department of Health.”

    Arpaio investigator: Hawaii still covering up for Obama
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