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    Quote Originally Posted by cayla99
    I would love to see a state stand up to federal blackmail and simply say, that is ok, we do not want your money. I would GLADLY pay higher state taxes to make up for it.
    Well, maybe you can consider moving a bit further south from where you are right now. Oklahoma, as I recall, was the only 100% red state in the recent election.

    Might even find lower taxes there.

    This web page shows the resolutions being considered by the Oklahoma House: http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/WebBi ... /main.html

    Looks like they're doing some things just absolutely right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
    Quote Originally Posted by cayla99
    I would love to see a state stand up to federal blackmail and simply say, that is ok, we do not want your money. I would GLADLY pay higher state taxes to make up for it.
    Well, maybe you can consider moving a bit further south from where you are right now. Oklahoma, as I recall, was the only 100% red state in the recent election.

    Might even find lower taxes there.

    This web page shows the resolutions being considered by the Oklahoma House: http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/WebBi ... /main.html

    Looks like they're doing some things just absolutely right.
    But I was raised in Nebraska where the first sentence any child back then learned was "Better Dead than Sooner Red"

    Actually, it was on our short list of states to move to. We simply do not have the money to move again, besides, asking for another transfer would be a career ender for my husband.
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    There are 8 states that have had comparable bills introduced by members of their legislature. Somebody who sent me an e-mail listed AZ, NH, MI, OK, WA, HI (yes, Hawaii!!??) and a couple others.

    Movement is underway in all the other states to find sponsors. I think the deal is they want to set the stage to repudiate each state's residents' obligations to pay any federal taxes for all this debt being taken on.

    But the effort is also reminding me of that Wall St. Journal article that quoted the Russian researcher who has claimed the USA would fracture into several new nations that were allied with other powers. Wasn't California going to become part of China under that guy's vision of the future? And the Dakotas and Montana were going to end up as part of Canada. And the East Coast was going to become part of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
    There are 8 states that have had comparable bills introduced by members of their legislature. Somebody who sent me an e-mail listed AZ, NH, MI, OK, WA, HI (yes, Hawaii!!??) and a couple others.

    Movement is underway in all the other states to find sponsors. I think the deal is they want to set the stage to repudiate each state's residents' obligations to pay any federal taxes for all this debt being taken on.

    But the effort is also reminding me of that Wall St. Journal article that quoted the Russian researcher who has claimed the USA would fracture into several new nations that were allied with other powers. Wasn't California going to become part of China under that guy's vision of the future? And the Dakotas and Montana were going to end up as part of Canada. And the East Coast was going to become part of Europe.

    Good comments all. I was able to verify the following states with sovereignty bills in process (couldn’t find Hawaii on RightSideofLife):

    Arizona: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3410
    Massachusetts: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3510
    Michigan: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3418
    Missouri: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3442
    New Hampshire: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3382
    Oklahoma: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3333
    Washington: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3431

    I suspect the states may be finally fed up with federal coercion similar to what happened in the following story about the uniform speed limit imposed during the 1970s.

    On November 29, 1973, the United States House of Representatives reported out H.R. 11372, a Bill to conserve energy on the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways.

    On December 13, 1973, the United States Senate reported out H.R. 11372, a Bill “proposing establishment by the states of a uniform maximum speed limit of 55 miles per hour on all highways until June 30, 1975, or whenever, as determined by the President, a fuel shortage no longer exists, with Amendments.
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    After some research on Hawaii sovereignty legislation, I did locate nine state legislative bills at this link: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/site1/sea ... currpage=1

    Reading quickly some of the bills, they seem to be concerned with the fact that prior to 1893, the United States recognized the independence of the Hawaiian Nation, and Hawaii is trying to restore some level of sovereignty for its people.

    There are also charges that "In pursuit of that conspiracy, the United States Minister and the naval representative of the United States caused armed forces of the United States to invade the sovereign Hawaiian Nation in support of the overthrow of the indigenous and lawful government, and the United States Minister thereupon extended diplomatic recognition to the provisional government formed by the conspirators without the consent of the native Hawaiian people or the lawful Government of Hawaii in violation of treaties between the two nations and of international law;

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    (9) In 1898, Hawaii was annexed to the United States through the Newlands Resolution without the consent of or compensation to the indigenous people of Hawaii or their sovereign government. As a result, the indigenous people of Hawaii were denied the mechanism for expression of their inherent sovereignty through self-government and self-determination, their lands, and their ocean resources."

    There's more, but I am struggling with the fact that the United States would strong arm a separate nation into submission (I'm kidding, of course).
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    Georgia should be added to the states claiming sovereignty rights, although Georgia actually did it back in 1995-1996.

    http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995 ... /sr308.htm
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    Great information about all of the states which are coming forward with resolutions reasserting their rights and I agree that this seems to be gaining momentum.

    The one thing so striking about it, is how surreal of a scenario we're looking at.

    On the one hand there are these state legislatures letting the federal government know, in no uncertain terms, that these states will not be usurped.

    In the meantime, on the other hand, there are the elected representatives of many of these same states sitting in DC, working toward this brazen and blatant usurption, and arrogantly ignoring their own state governments.

    It's truly just unbelievable that two entities, which are supposed to be working toward the same common goal........the best interests of their state and that population......can be at such opposite ends of the battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azwreath
    Great information about all of the states which are coming forward with resolutions reasserting their rights and I agree that this seems to be gaining momentum.

    The one thing so striking about it, is how surreal of a scenario we're looking at.

    On the one hand there are these state legislatures letting the federal government know, in no uncertain terms, that these states will not be usurped.

    In the meantime, on the other hand, there are the elected representatives of many of these same states sitting in DC, working toward this brazen and blatant usurption, and arrogantly ignoring their own state governments.

    It's truly just unbelievable that two entities, which are supposed to be working toward the same common goal........the best interests of their state and that population......can be at such opposite ends of the battle.
    I think this is the greatest test for the survival of our country since the civil war. Keep an eye out boys and girls, we are watching history. GOOOOOOOO States!!!!
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    Television news last night mentioned that billions of dollars of state aid relief got dropped from the stimulus package, so the situation the states will find themselves in is this:

    Federal government continuing to take a huge "bite" of people's incomes.

    State governments up against it, with declining revenues and budgetary shortfalls, and any promises they might have received about aid from D.C. to help bail them out at a time they can't balance their budgets (a constitutional requirement for most states) subject to legislative wrangling that might eliminate some or most of it.

    DECISION time: Whether to trigger a separation based on some kind of Constitutional ground claiming an improper usurpation of functions reserved to the states, or an infringement of private rights of the states' citizens.

    Remember that guy Igor Panarin?



    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

    http://www.collegenews.com/index.php?/a ... 10_023486/

    At least his theory hasn't been "erased from the news" like anything that the Obama camp finds displeasing or incriminating ...

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/b ... ages_o.php


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    I don't think he is right about the divisions themselves, but I think we are in for some real historical changes. I think it is going to be the constitutionalists vs the fascists and it will not be pretty. I am not so certain it will be a state by state thing this time.
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