Thread: *BREAKING NEWS*Off Topic- 9 Explosions in London...

Bootsie, this is where I will support President Bush. Although please keep in mind that I am no expert on foreign affairs or this war. But as best as I can, I'll try to explain why I believe this.

First of all this war will probably go on in one way or another for about twenty years. The reason is because it will take a new generation of Middle Eastern men to bring about the necessary changes to that part of the world. As I heard one person say it, it won't stop until a new generation is in place who believe living is better than dying. Remember they are trained to believe that to die as a suicide bomber is the ultimate. They are being payed money to give to their families as well if they choose this calling. Once given a chance to experience democracy it is the hope of President Bush and Tony Bliar and others that this is the only way this new realization will take place in these men.

Secondly, this war is so difficult because it does not in any way follow the usual rules of engagement. The enemy does not wear a uniform and is in so many nooks and crannys over there that our soldiers cannot easily know which one of them is actually the enemy. It's horrible for our soldiers trying to fight this war.

Thirdly, we actually are safer without Sadam Hussein because as that guy (something report) said after very careful investigation, he said that there is no doubt that even though they did not find the WMD's, that Sadam Hussein was ready to immediately crank back up on producing WMD's as soon as he could get the UN out of there. That was for sure.

So it's a horrible situation, as much as we get impatient and I always wish President Bush would really bomb the heck out of any strong holds that they know about, why I don't know, Bootsie.

Our open borders are a perfect way for these little suicide bomber types who left their families back there some money, and who are over-joyed to die for the sake of killing infidels, to come into the U.S. Many people say that it is the kind of thing we saw in London today, that we might start to have here. Like Isreal has had for so long. The open borders are perfect for these types, and even gangs like MS-13 could begin to find this type of terrorism something they would do. It's possible the 9/11 huge type of attacks MIGHT be less likely now, but this London type might be more common. They can't get away with flight schools and flying our planes as easily, hopefully.

But Bootsie, these are the reasons why when it comes to the war, I do not fight GWB. This is where I try to understand and hope the best for our troops. It's ugly as all war is, this enemy is as deadly as they come because instead of hoping to get out alive, their goal is their own death along with the death of the infidels.

There is controversy about how and why President Bush continues to have ties with Saudi Arabia since they raise and train so many terrorists. I don't have an answer or much understanding about that. I know when I hear it discussed, I get mad that he calls them his friends. Somebody here will probably know more.

I am no expert. I'm FURIOUS about the borders. I understand that problem loud and clear. But the war, I hope that people understand that some of us are really mad about the borders, and HATE the war ( one of our kids could be two years away from being there), but some of us believe that we have no choice but to be there. Remember Bootsie, these attacks began a long time ago, way before President Bush took office, but it was 9/11 when the U.S. had to say, "now, we're coming after you."

Many people say we should have gone much sooner.

This is just my opinion based on information from people who I believe have a lot of knowledge about the war.

I can’t believe this happened, my thoughts and prayers go out to my fellow neighbors across the pond. I hope that the death count doesn’t keep going up and i hope that those that have lost loves ones make it though this with the thoughts and prayers of those all over the world.

We need to track down and kill these individuals that have committed this cowardly attack against the great people of the UK.

We need stay true to our belief systems; if we give in then those that are willing to take their own lives would have won. We will never allow those that wish to take our way of life away and we will continue to fight to the end and freedom the rule of law will prevail over Terrorist.

God Bless the United Kingdom!

Prometheus

I think we will just agree to disagree on the IRAQ part of the war on terror. I guess I'm just infuriated that ALL of our resources are tied up over there and NONE are here protecting our homeland. I am also infuriated that it seems more important to protect Iraq's borders than our own. And, my firm belief is that we have more Al Qaeda groups right here in the US than they had in Iraq BEFORE we went in. Now--where we DO agree is that we MUST finish the job we started there. There is no way we can allow Iraq to crumble now because we really have created a situation where every Muslim jihadist anywhere around seems to want to flood into Iraq so we MUST wipe them out.

Check out my posts on the topic, "Bush, Congress......". There were two portions of transcripts from Lou Dobbs last night about the borders that deserved our attention.

Of course now the Muslim groups in Britian are hoping that their communities aren't singled out for reprisals because of the terror attacks in London. Yeah they always fear a backlash don't they? Don't worry I'm sure Tony Blair would be more than happy to charge anybody in his country with a hate crime for defending their homeland because that's the type of socialist scumbag he is. Just like Bush he's all about taking away our rights especially those of the first and second amendment variety while these Hitlers in head scarfs are continuously allowed to preach jihad, sedition and hate in their little so called peaceful mosque. I've told you all before that this religion is a religion of hate, racism, and intolerance. Don't believe me, just visit any Middle Eastern country and claim your a Christian or a Jew.

Now--where we DO agree is that we MUST finish the job we started there. There is no way we can allow Iraq to crumble now because we really have created a situation where every Muslim jihadist anywhere around seems to want to flood into Iraq so we MUST wipe them out.

So your suggesting that we stay their indefinitely, no matter what the cost, fighting this war in the same old milk toast, PC fashion as Bush has fought this war? That's insane. I initially was all for the war. I felt that Saddam was a menace and had to be removed. But I was all for getting rid of him and getting the heck out of there. No nation building, no occupation. Get the job done and bring our troops home.

Now I would propose this. Close off the Sunni triangle. Leaflet the area and give the innocents 24 hrs to evacuate. Then after 24 hrs, turn that area into dust. Bomb that area into the stonge age and then use the troops to kill off whatever remains. Afterwards leave the country and let those SOB's kill each other and tell other terror nations that they are next. Trying to instill democracy in this country is a wasteful cause. Democracy has to be fought for, not forced down the proverbial throat. These people don't want democracy so why bother? They are going to revolt and have a civil war anyway when we leave because they are savages and don't know how to get along with one another. Do I care if the Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites kill each other off the face of the earth in Iraq? Not at all. As long as they aren't bothering us I don't care. What purpose do they serve for America? None. These barbarians haven't created anything of significance in their whole entire culture. They haven't had democracy in thousands of years. That whole continent is a rat trap, cesspool. Even worse than Mexico.

If I was in charge, I would cease all immigration from Islamic countries and kick out every Middle Eastern muslim who didn't swear their allegance to America. Any Muslim who preached jihad and the like would be sent to Gitmo for life with no hope of parole and to spend their rest of their days in hard labor.

BTW where were all the so called peaceniks and human rights j--koffs who were oh so concerned about what happened in Abu Gharib and Gitmo? I didn't hear one word out of the mouths of Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, and Dick Turbin Durbin about what happened yesterday. Not one word of outrage. They have more hate for America then they ever do for the Hitlers in the head scarfs.

Originally Posted by dman1200

BTW where were all the so called peaceniks and human rights j--koffs who were oh so concerned about what happened in Abu Gharib and Gitmo? I didn't hear one word out of the mouths of Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, and Dick Turbin Durbin about what happened yesterday. Not one word of outrage. They have more hate for America then they ever do for the Hitlers in the head scarfs.

Agreed! It seems many of our politicians would rather believe what a foreigner says, than what an American or soldier says. And all the Dems want to say is, "....foreigners hate us." Duh, they always have!

We have traitors in our Senate.

I agree with dman1200 about Iraq in the sense that Democracy has got to be something a country WANTS and is willing to FIGHT for. Where in the world Bush and the rest of our representatives got off thinking that we could go in there, bomb them and up would spring a democracy, I don't know. As bad as Saddam was, those Iraqi's would have rather still had him in power rather than us. And, when Bush and Cheney say that it will be up to the Iraqi's to rebuild and secure their country, I get FURIOUS. They did NOT have terrorists there before we went in. THEY weren't the ones who bombed the hell out of their own country. They weren't the ones to create a situation where the country could easily erupt into a civil war. WE created this mess and we will have to stay until we correct it.

Originally Posted by Bootsie

I think we will just agree to disagree on the IRAQ part of the war on terror. I guess I'm just infuriated that ALL of our resources are tied up over there and NONE are here protecting our homeland. I am also infuriated that it seems more important to protect Iraq's borders than our own. And, my firm belief is that we have more Al Qaeda groups right here in the US than they had in Iraq BEFORE we went in. Now--where we DO agree is that we MUST finish the job we started there. There is no way we can allow Iraq to crumble now because we really have created a situation where every Muslim jihadist anywhere around seems to want to flood into Iraq so we MUST wipe them out.

Check out my posts on the topic, "Bush, Congress......". There were two portions of transcripts from Lou Dobbs last night about the borders that deserved our attention.

We will NEVER be finished in Iraq, or any other terrorist countries like Pakistan, Iran, Syria. It will never be over because they continue to change loyalties to each other, quicker than sand runs through an hourglass. At one moment a man is 'an enemy of allah', the next minute 'the man is my muslim brother'. They throw someone in prison one day, and let him out the next day. It's all screwed-up! They don't know what they want, and they certainly don't know how to run a country. All they know is, they hate Americans.
I have to agree with DMan1200 and Michele Malkin. Interment for all muslims from the enemy countries. Declare war on all the enemies, warn them once, and then nuke. They can be at peace with their allah, who by the way, is not GOD. The rest of the world shouldn't suffer or be exposed to these evil people.
Maybe then, we can get back to business, by sealing up our borders.
PUT OUR MILITARY WHERE IT BELONGS! OUR LIFES DEPEND ON IT!!!

AMEN!

Originally Posted by butterbean

Originally Posted by Bootsie

I think we will just agree to disagree on the IRAQ part of the war on terror. I guess I'm just infuriated that ALL of our resources are tied up over there and NONE are here protecting our homeland. I am also infuriated that it seems more important to protect Iraq's borders than our own. And, my firm belief is that we have more Al Qaeda groups right here in the US than they had in Iraq BEFORE we went in. Now--where we DO agree is that we MUST finish the job we started there. There is no way we can allow Iraq to crumble now because we really have created a situation where every Muslim jihadist anywhere around seems to want to flood into Iraq so we MUST wipe them out.

Check out my posts on the topic, "Bush, Congress......". There were two portions of transcripts from Lou Dobbs last night about the borders that deserved our attention.

We will NEVER be finished in Iraq, or any other terrorist countries like Pakistan, Iran, Syria. It will never be over because they continue to change loyalties to each other, quicker than sand runs through an hourglass. At one moment a man is 'an enemy of allah', the next minute 'the man is my muslim brother'. They throw someone in prison one day, and let him out the next day. It's all screwed-up! They don't know what they want, and they certainly don't know how to run a country. All they know is, they hate Americans.
I have to agree with DMan1200 and Michele Malkin. Interment for all muslims from the enemy countries. Declare war on all the enemies, warn them once, and then nuke. They can be at peace with their allah, who by the way, is not GOD. The rest of the world shouldn't suffer or be exposed to these evil people.
Maybe then, we can get back to business, by sealing up our borders.
PUT OUR MILITARY WHERE IT BELONGS! OUR LIFES DEPEND ON IT!!!

You hit the nail on its head butterbean. We need to stop being so nice and soft with these people.