Thread: Annex Mexico`

Originally Posted by annex

There are plenty of gangs to go around for every ethnic group in this country and to single out the Hispanics gangs without showing some evidence that they are more involved in gangs and crime then others is pointless conversation.

The gangs I mentioned, Latin Kings and Folk Nation are not made up of 100% hispanics. I didn't want anyone to think I am singling just one race. I made that comment because it related to the topic at the time.
I have been the target of racism, you didn't mention my "race", I am Echota Cherokee. Just want to share that I know how it feels and I have not lived a sheltered life.

To suggest that Mexicans are the same as Arabs in their hate for US is talking nonsense and it does not matter where or how long you have lived here or there.

First, you didn't answer my question about how long YOU have lived in each of these places you mentioned, so I guess you are avoiding that for a reason. I think it is safe to say that there are those amongst both Arabs and Mexicans that hate the U.S. To guess how many, or what percent, amongst each population "hate the U.S." is impossible. But the media has shown people amongst both groups chanting their hatred for America.

To now equate a MX gang to an Arab terror cell is nonsense.

I don't think it is nonsense....they both destroy lives and to count how many is impossible. I have to reiterate on MS-13 because it is a hispanic gang and if you don't know much about them, read up and it might change your point of view on that.

Arabs are fighting to destroy our way of life and prove they are superior.

Once again I recommend you do some research starting with the archives here on news stories covering the impact of illegal aliens from mexico and EVERY country.....from driving without licenses to gangs to identity theft....maybe then you'll see the destruction....or maybe you are too hung up on this annexation idea that will not happen. Your choice.

It seems to me the MX are fighting to no longer be excluded from the oppt of prosperity and the American way of life

If the illegal aliens from Mexico would follow the legal citizenship into this country they would be welcomed, but doing it ILLEGALLY makes them excluded. They made that choice. We have immigrants from many nations and to focus on Mexico and annex it is asinine to me. Obviously we'll never agree on this issue, and it's ok to disagree because I'm tired of beating the dead horse. It fascinates me though that you seem frustrated over the Arabs, yet pushing this Mexico annexation. Well, instead of annexing Mexico, why don't we just use that investment fund to hunt down terrorists from the middle east? Would that make you just as happy?[/quote]

from Newsweek:

"MS-13 got started in Los Angeles in the 1980s by Salvadorans fleeing a civil war. Many of the kids grew up surrounded by violence. Del Hendrixson of Bajito Onda, a gang-outreach program, remembers an MS-13 member who recounted one of his earliest memories: guarding the family's crops at the age of 4, armed with a machete, alone at night. When he and others reached the mean streets of the L.A. ghetto, Mexican gangs preyed on them. The newcomers' response: to band together in a mara, or "posse," composed of salvatruchas, or "street-tough Salvadorans" (the "13" is a gang number associated with southern California). Over time, the gang's ranks grew, adding former paramilitaries with weapons training and a taste for atrocity. MS-13 eventually adopted a variety of rackets, from extortion to drug trafficking. When law enforcement cracked down and deported planeloads of members, the deportees quickly created MS-13 outposts in El Salvador and neighboring countries like Honduras and Guatemala."


The article goes on to state:

"It's considered the fastest-growing, most violent and least understood of the nation's street gangs—in part because U.S. law enforcement has not been watching as closely as it might have. As authorities have focused their attention on the war against terrorism, MS-13 has proliferated. In the FBI's D.C. field office, the number of agents dedicated to gang investigations declined by 50 percent. "There was a definite shift in resources post-9/11 toward terrorism," says Michael Mason, assistant director in charge of that office. "As a result, we had fewer resources to focus on gangs,"

So it seems to me we have the Arabs to blame for this out of control gang not the MXs. And no doubt the FBI did and I presume still does not equate the threat from terrorists (safe to say Arab terrorists) with the security threat from gangs.

"The gang's name is commonly abbreviated as MS-13, Mara, MS, and is composed of mostly Salvadorans. To understand the origin of MS-13, we have to go back to the 1980s revolution in El Salvador. At that time, the FMLN (the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front or, in Spanish, the Frente Farabundo Marti de Liberacion Nacional), a leftist revolutionary group, was engaged in a violent civil war against the government in El Salvador. Revolutionaries and the government's military entered homes of opponents and killed whole families. Mutilated bodies left for dead in the street became all too commonplace as the society in El Salvador deteriorated to the point where massacres were everyday occurrences. Those who escaped El Salvador, often children who had witnessed their parents and siblings being murdered, escaped to Mexico, and ultimately to the United States.

The late 1970s through the early 1980s were a period of leftist revolutionary violence throughout Latin and Central America. Styled as revolutionary movements in the style of Fidel Castro or Che Guevara, communists and socialists gave rise to new revolutionary heroes, such as Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Refugees from Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua joined the refugees from the civil war in El Salvador. Many of these Central and Latin American families settled in Los Angeles, where they pushed out poor Mexican residents in areas like Pico-Union to make room for themselves in new Central American barrios. Among the refugees fleeing El Salvador for Los Angeles were members of the ex-revolutionary guerilla forces, who grew up knowing weapons and seeing violence. These displaced refugees from El Salvador formed the nucleus of MS-13. "

Because this gang partly uses MX for its operations and our open borders there to gain access does not make it a MX product and I suspect the MXs are struggling to control them as we are.

MX is a resource it only needs uncorrupt properly functioning institutions, US capital and US management know how.


Mexicans need to stop looking to us for the very air that they breath and go home to repair their OWN country! Since the ones here are "just hardworking people that want to make a better life for themselves and attain the American dream", and they are SOOOOOO industrious, send them home to work on their own place.

They want to overthrow OUR government and country, let them do it in mexico. They don't need anything from us but a boot to the arse in the direction of the border.

Nuff said!

Originally Posted by annex

from Newsweek:
Over time, the gang's ranks grew, adding former paramilitaries with weapons training and a taste for atrocity.

Sounds a lot like terrorist training grounds to me.

So it seems to me we have the Arabs to blame for this out of control gang not the MXs.

No, we have this gang to blame for their activities. This gang saw opportunity when we had to focus more on terrorism after 9/11, so they took advantage. They are no better than terrorists....both groups are scum.

Well the reality with all of this is we only have so much to spend on law enforcement. So should we now spend this limited resource on rounding up all the illegal MX immigrants and hunt down employers who are hiring them or continue to focus on the worst of the gangs and the terriorist?

Hum you say "saw oppt and took advantage" exactly so there would be less oppt if Americans were not buying their drugs. So who is more to blame for a lot of this criminal activity the companies hiring illegal aliens or those Americans buying drugs. Who should get mandatory fines and sentences?

Originally Posted by annex

Well the reality with all of this is we only have so much to spend on law enforcement. So should we now spend this limited resource on rounding up all the illegal MX immigrants and hunt down employers who are hiring them or continue to focus on the worst of the gangs and the terriorist?

Hum you say "saw oppt and took advantage" exactly so there would be less oppt if Americans were not buying their drugs. So who is more to blame for a lot of this criminal activity the companies hiring illegal aliens or those Americans buying drugs. Who should get mandatory fines and sentences?

Hmmm....well, if people didn't come into this country illegally, then employers would not be able to hire them and the drugs would not be here to purchase. Let's be logical. The illegal aliens should not be here to begin with, so they start the whole tragedy by coming here in the first place. If they were respectful of the laws this would not be happening. As a secondary enforcement, we do have to fine employers and arrest those idiots purchasing the drugs.

You may as well give it up on this forum Annex....your point of view does not appeal to those of us who see the first breach of the law as the biggest problem. That is why this organization is AMERICANS FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION!

BTW Annex, I noticed in one of your post subjects you put "Besides the feeble minded, any Capitalist here?"

Feeble minded? So do you think you are superior? You were accusing the Arab terrorists of thinking they are superior....could you be a pot calling a kettle black?

http://www.aztlan.net/suicidebombers.htm

Annex, please read up on how nice these people are, and how they view Americans and the Jewish people. Look over this whole site, look over their links too.

Yes they do teach their children hatred and violence against Americans. I have heard it myself where I live. To me, they are no different than the way the followers of Islam are.

The majority of americans teach their children to care about others no matter a persons race or religion, but these two groups have been teaching hatred of Americans and/or Christians.

But lets go a little further than that, Google the words together "Aztlan and Anglos", see what you come up with and how they see specifically the "Anglo" people of America as the main enemy and their focus of hatred. However, they also have said some disparaging things as well about Jewish people and about Americans of African descent.

Inform yourself.

Originally Posted by annex

Well the reality with all of this is we only have so much to spend on law enforcement. So should we now spend this limited resource on rounding up all the illegal MX immigrants and hunt down employers who are hiring them or continue to focus on the worst of the gangs and the terriorist?

Hum you say "saw oppt and took advantage" exactly so there would be less oppt if Americans were not buying their drugs. So who is more to blame for a lot of this criminal activity the companies hiring illegal aliens or those Americans buying drugs. Who should get mandatory fines and sentences?

You operate from a flawed premise, which is the idea that deporting illegals means physically rounding up each and every one of them.

A better course would be to cut off all incentive for them to remain here by by requiring proof of citizenship in order to receive ANY government benefits, guarantees of repayment by the government of the nation from which they came before providing medical services, and meaningful and escalating prosecution of domestic employers who hire illegals.

Cut off the benefits, free health care and jobs, and most of the illegals will self-deport. Then we can focus on rounding up the remainder.

I agree pull up the welcome mat and fine employers enough to make hiring illegals unprofitable, since that is after all their bottom line.
As for the Mexican government's old saw that Americans create the demand for drugs, ( which somehow in their minds erases their complicity)I wonder how loudly the Mexican government would scream if we started smuggling arms to Chiapas or some nether region where the people still have some cajones.