Thread: meet the head of the aclu

This creep does NOT represent gay people. I get so tired of people making it sound like most gay people and black people are united fighting the conservative white men. This is a lie. People in the media keep this garbage going and it sure as hell isn't helping minorities. Just bringing up the fact that this guy is gay--which has NADA to do with the issue of Law and the ACLU--tells you he thinks it scores him points with the Left Wing. He's probably right, too!

Originally Posted by shaw

And how is the ACLU doing its presumed job and helping American Citizens? An excellent example of the ACLU hiding in the bushes while the fire is raging would be the Mid West Meat Packers latent, ugly, cold, assault on the unions that create the meat out of the packing plants. I think it is called BCI openly, brazenly, put busses down on the border and hauled anyone they could get up to the plants and broke the strike that asked for more money. And I believe the average wage was some $10+ an hour. The illegal aliens are earning some $6 an hour now.

Are we back in The Jungle??? In 1906, Upton Sinclair published "The Jungle" for which I will copy a summary here :
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/sinclair.htm

As a writer Sinclair gained fame in 1906 with the novel The Jungle, a report on the dirty conditions in the Chicago meat-packing industry... Jurgis Rudkus, the protagonist, is a young Lithuanian immigrant... He arrives in America dreaming of wealth, freedom, and opportunity. ... Gradually Jurgis' optimistic world vision fade in the hopeless "wage-slavery" and in the chaos of urban life."

http://www.sweatshops-retail.org/nrf%20 ... istory.htm

In 1907, a California socialist named Upton Sinclair published a novel called The Jungle... The novel described, in harrowing detail, the lives of a family of Lithuanian immigrants in Chicago at the beginning of the century... In sometimes overwrought prose, the book described the various indignities and atrocities inflicted upon immigrants: child labor, long hours, low wages, unpaid work, firings with no notice and no severance pay... What struck the deepest chord in the public, though, was probably the description of the working conditions: cold, filthy, smelly, loud, and unsafe:

There were the men in the pickle rooms, for instance, where old Antanas had gotten his death; scarce a one of these that had not some spot of horror on his person... Let a man so much as scrape his finger pushing a truck in the pickle rooms, and he might have a sore that would put him out of the world; all the joints in his fingers might be eaten by the acid, one by one. ... Worst of any, however, were the fertilizer men, and those who served in the cooking rooms. These people could not be shown to the visitor, - for the odor of a fertilizer man would scare any ordinary visitor at a hundred yards, and as for the other men, who worked in tank rooms full of steam, and in some of which there were open vats near the level of the floor, their peculiar trouble was that they fell into the vats; and when they were fished out, there was never enough of them left to be worth exhibiting, - sometimes they would be overlooked for days, till all but the bones of them had gone out to the world as Durham's Pure Leaf Lard!

Recently, I saw this from Number's USA :
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/bush ... erplan.htm

We might see more and more occupations suffer the fate of meatpacking... A few decades ago, meat packing jobs were some of the highest paying blue collar jobs around... I think we can all remember Sylvester Stallone working in a Philadelphia meat packing plant as he trained to take on Apollo Creed... But today, meat packing jobs are not only low-paying, but they are also some of the most dangerous jobs in America... Not coincidentally, this has been accompanied by a large inflow of immigrant workers.

Can we at least be sure that in times of recession guestworkers will have to go home before American workers lose their jobs?.. Not if we rely on the experience of the economic downturn that started in 2000... From 2000 to 2003, the number of employed native-born workers dropped by 769,000 while the number of employed foreign-born workers increased by 1,679,000... American workers it seems bore the brunt of the recession.

March 24, 2004
Statement of the Honorable John N. Hostettler (R-IN),
Chair of the Subcommittee on Immigration,
Border Security and Claims
(John Hostettler is a Republican who represents the 8th District of Indiana, which includes Evansville and Terre Haute.)

When you have your cookout on 4th of July, check your meat carefully... LOL!!!

I recall hearing some Congress person on Lou Dobbs say that unions are the way to lift wages... But unions are worthless in the face of unlimited cheap labor... For industries that must stay in the U.S., employers can import illegal immigrants (e.g. meat packing industry)... For manufacturing and other exportable industries, employers can move the factory to cheap labor markets where unions aren't even allowed...

In the 1990s, after NAFTA was passed, manufacturing unions were bargaining for LOWER wages just to keep their jobs from leaving the country.

One of the great ironies about the issue of illegal immigration is that the AFL-CIO is supportive of illegal immigration, because they want to increase their membership... I imagine that the official line from the AFL-CIO is that unions are the answer...

The whole reason we have illegal immigrants is for cheap labor... Employers wouldn't want them, if employers were forced to pay good wages with good working conditions, health insurance, Social Security, workman's comp, unemployment insurance, income taxes, etc.

WELL DONE, MUMMY {thumb up}

Thanks, 2ndamendsis !!!

I like Judy's summary in this topic:
Topic - Just a couple of weird random thoughts

Originally Posted by Judy

Employers wanting illegal labor want illegal labor because it's illegal, not because they can't find Americans to do the jobs.

That Americans "won't do the work" is a hoax, a fraud, a way to circumvent truth and the American Rule of Law....labor laws, OSHA, Unemployment, Worker Liability....Unions, Right to Strike, to hold wages down, to hold benefits down, to depress working people at all levels...not just lower income jobs but ALL JOBS.

"Illegal immigration" is a government-sanctioned "illegal worker importation" program... The purpose is to make the wealthiest people in the country even wealthier without regard to the multifaceted negative impacts on the rest of the populace.

Judy knows I love her work!

You're cool too, LOL

Some people will do anything to stand out in a crowd. Why would he want to announce his gayness? Who cares?

BB........LOL
sounded so funny-rediculous
{another good laugh}

Originally Posted by butterbean

Some people will do anything to stand out in a crowd. Why would he want to announce his gayness? Who cares?

this conversation is giving me the shivers and is making my stomach fee wheezy. l think I'll go find something normal like shooting and stabbing or something that don't make me feel faint

The ACLU ("Anti-Christian Liberties Union") is completely against Americans and it is completely against Christians. They are a truly horrible organization that would love to destroy this country and I don't know why any true American who loves the United States would ever give them a dime.

Butterbean you are kidding, right? Why would someone want to announce their "gayness?" I can tell you it is a fact in the media, particularly in the race based ends of it, where being gay instantly makes you one of the trendy, progressive, "intellectual" crowd. I worked at a major newspaper in Texas and trust me, if you are gay or a minority, you are instantly considered more interesting, more insightful, than the other mere humans. I've seen this so many times. Listen-being gay may be a minus out there in the real world, but in the media it's definately a plus because most people in the media have deluded themselves into thinking they are more progressive than the dummy on the street. I hated that whole phony PC crowd.