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    Mexican National Anthem

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    Friday, April 28, 2006
    Mexican National Anthem

    With all the furor over the fake Spanish version of the American National Anthem currently being sold for $10 US (110 pesos), I thought I might take a look at the Mexican national anthem and fill you in on its lyrics in English.

    Now, as you read these lyrics and giggle, please keep in mind that the Mexican armed forces have never won a war in all their history. They've won a battle or two, like this one where the Mexican army, numbering 6,100, attacked the ruins of an old Spanish mission in what is now San Antonio, Texas. The mission, or what was left of it (basically just the facade -- the other "walls" were merely wooden picket fences), was defended by 189 men who were defending the 1824 Mexican Constitution which had been thrown out by Mexico's dictator, one Generalissimo Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana. He also happened to be in command of this army of 6,100 cavalry, infantry and artillery which was attacking a wall defended by 189 men. After 13 days, the wall was finally conquered by the generalissimo, at a cost of 182 dead Texans and 1600 dead Mexican soldiers. The seven surviving Texans were summarily executed by being hacked to death with swords and machetes. So, a force outnumbering its opponents 32-1 requied 13 days to defeat those opponents at a cost of 8.5 dead winners for every dead loser.

    Or this one, when, on May 5, 1862, French forces were forced to withdraw from their seige of Puebla (Mexico celebrate this as "Cinco de Mayo"). Mexico does not celebrate May 17, 1863, almost exactly one year later, when the French returned while on their way to Mexico City to take over the country and the city of Puebla surrendered. Besides, "Diecisiete de Mayo" just doesn't have the ring of "Cinco de Mayo".

    And before all the squawking starts about Independencia and its subsequent executions by firing squad and Emperor Maximiliano's defeat and its subsequent executions by firing squads and hangings and La Revolucion and its subsequent executions by firing squad, hangings and assassinations, let's remember that these were either defeats of the Mexican army by peasant armies or defeats of one faction of the Mexican army by another faction of the Mexican army. Meaning that the Mexicans are good at kicking their own asses but not too good at kicking anybody elses.

    Even the French (initially supported by the English and Spanish) were invited in by Mexican factions who wanted to join the European Habsburg dynasty. The English and Spanish were along because Mexico had welshed on its foreign debt and Benito Juarez was also threatening to nationalize all foreign investments in the country -- his theory being that if you owe the merchant more money than you can repay, just take over the merchant's business by force and, as the new owner, cancel the debt that you now owe to yourself.

    Here's the Mexican national anthem:


    Mexicans, at the cry of battle
    prepare your swords and bridle;
    and let the earth tremble at its center
    at the roar of the cannon.

    Oh fatherland
    Your forehead shall be girded with olive garlands,
    by the divine archangel of peace
    For in heaven your eternal destiny
    has been written by the hand of God.

    But should a foreign enemy dare to
    profane your land with his sole,
    Think, beloved fatherland, that heaven
    gave you a soldier in each son.

    War, war without truce against who would attempt
    to blemish the honor of the fatherland!
    War, war! The patriotic banners
    drench in waves of blood.

    War, war! On the mount, in the valley
    The terrifying thunder of the cannon

    And the echoes nobly resound to the cries of
    Union! Liberty!

    Fatherland, before your children
    Become unarmed beneath the yoke their necks in sway,
    And your countryside be watered with blood,
    On blood their feet trample.

    And may your temples, palaces and towers
    crumble in horrid crash,
    and ruins remain saying:
    The fatherland was made of one thousand heroes.

    Fatherland, fatherland, your children swear
    to exhale their breath in your cause,
    If the bugle in its belligerent tone
    should call upon them to struggle with bravery.

    For you the olive garlands!

    For them a memory of glory!

    For you a laurel of victory!

    For them a tomb of honor!
    You know, one would think that a national anthem for a country whose armed forces have never won a war, much less a fair fight, would spend just a bit less rhetoric on war, blood and battle and a bit more on, oh, I dunno, the dove of peace, or lower water levels in the Rio Grand so as to facilitate wading across, or something.
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    Well, since so much mature conversation has taken place here, I have one or two words to say. First of all Mark, I am surprised that you have the blatant disrespect for a country and culture foreign to you even when you live among them. There are aspects of a culture that you might find strange, silly, or inappropriate but a person should never mock or ridicule them. But of course, there are people incapable of this.

    *giggles* How sad, don't you know that he who throws mud loses ground...tsk tsk.
    Cielo | 05.02.06 - 6:57 pm | #

    Now wait a minute I hear the Mexican army is winning some grand victories against the Gringo heroically attacking the massed hordes of border patrol agents...
    Ricardus | 05.03.06 - 9:12 am | #

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    Very interesting post!! Very!!!
    Pro Patri Vigilans! Death to Aztlan!!

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    Very Inciteful! I am still giggling!

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    Thats their anthem? sounds like a 4th grader wrote that. Sole? they make reference to feet in an anthem? No wonder they want to take ours, just like they take everything else..how sad.

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    Hi, I am a new member. I find most of the information on this site helpful. I am for border enforcement for the security of the country.

    But I am a bit confused... I don't see how making fun of another country's National Anthem helps our cause...

    At any rate, my great grandfather came to the US in the 1930's from Mexico. I did not really grow up learning much about the culture, but I have decided to learn some Spanish... I'm amazed how it is much more difficult than English yet more flexible. At any rate, I have seen the lyrics of this anthem and... I will have to disagree that they seem like "they were written by a fourth grader" as someone in this thread mocks.

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    Oblivion, - Agreed, just when I want to start leaning to the ALIPAC side somebody does something like this that effects how I view these fellas.

    But I'm still trying.

    I have to admit though, everyone here has been quite friendly, I dont know why but I expected to be torn to shreds. I dont oppose anything, I really am trying to agree with the BEST possible solution. And I am trying to get all sides of the story.

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    Oblivion,

    Welcome to ALIPAC! Have you read or heard the abomination that has been made of OUR National Anthem? After reading or hearing that, I can understand why folks here would make fun of Mexico's anthem. It may not be PC to do so, but it gives us a chance to 'lighten up' a bit in the middle of this ever-present WAR we are fighting daily.

    If I start talking about that goofy flag with the 'chicken and a worm', you can get offended, fair enough?

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    When people are led by emotions, such as pride or fear, or whatever, according to Plato, things go haywire. I am sure that ALIPAC has members who have sound ideas instead of wasting their energy debating whether Mexico's National Anthem is so and so.--Meaningless

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    PinestrawGuys,

    I have heard about the National Anthem thingy. But... did you know that it was a product of inner city culture?

    At first I was offended. I looked more into it. And it was American citizens and a Mexican National who took part of it.

    For instance, reggeton artists such as Don Omarr and Ivy queen took part of it.

    Now, as far as I am concerned, I dont think the mass of 12 millions came up with the idea. It was a creation born out of the evil inner city culture of America and corporate bigots in search of money. (Who would not take the opportunity to make money from all this mess?)

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    Joseguia, I read your posts. I agree more or less but I think the conversation can go smoother without people going back and forth aimlessly.

    So can you summarize your views for me?

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