Thread: Surprising Ron Paul Sparks A Movement

Originally Posted by kniggit

Bren said:

However, there is NO doubt in anyone's minds-----even the Dems are saying this----that we are going to have to have a military presence in the Middle East for a long time (not in war----but a presence, like Korea).

Why? What business do we have over there, that society has existed for thousands of years.


MW said: [quote:2v5p9hjw]Are you saying there were no terrorist acts by folks from the ME prior to 9/11?

We were meddling over there waaay before 9-11[/quote:2v5p9hjw]

We no longer live in a world where Paul's policies will work-----as terrorists effecting our lives are only a plane ride away.

Remember the Summer of 2006 when the terrorists were arrested in Canada----as they were planning attacks in Canada and the US??? Did you ever read some of the articles from Canada-----where they actually had to pass laws saying------women are allowed to drive, women will not be stoned, women are not required to wear burkhas or full covering, Sharia Law will not be tolerated. The radical Muslims were trying to take over some of the Canadian communties and trying to FORCE Sharia Law. How many times has Canada interfered in other countries????

Part of their plan was also to deprive us of oil and/or price us so high that it caused bankruptcy/destruction of our country. Russia, Venezuela, and China were probably encouraging this as well.

Have you not heard the Iranian whackjob's speeches??? He has said----we are going to destroy little Satan (Israel) and big Satan (US) and all Western Civilization. He also believes that by starting these attacks----and possibly bringing on the end of the world with nukes-------that ????? will come back (not Mohammed, but whoever in their religion they believe will come back).

Bren if you don't like to read at least watch the movies. You will have more arguments in a debate.

Can I put my two cents in?

To start with, there is plenty of oil in this country to take care of our needs. The only reason we stopped pumping it is because at the time (back in the 70's and 80's) it was cheaper to buy it from foreign countries. That is no longer the case, but big government doesn't want to stop the status quo.

As far as the terrorists are concerned, think back many years ago. They did not terrorize this country until we started poking our noses in the Middle East. Whether they would have attacked us anyway, who knows. But we have to stop supporting these countries financially. Why are we supporting them, anyway? Take Saudi Arabia. They have more riches than any other nation, yet we give them a welfare check every year. Same with Mexico. People are only poor there because their government wants them to be. They have plenty of money, yet we give them more. This whole thing of sending money to foreign countries is senseless.

I'll second that!! "Tiny" enuf_ said, except.....

It is not our oil they are not our countries!

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

The point is Bren, that 'military presence' there really PISSES THEM OFF! That's why they are willing to fly planes into buildings. The only ones that benefit from our continued presence there are Halliburton, Phillips Petroleum and ALL the defense contractors. Oil has gone from $25 a barrel to $100 a barrel.

Our 'presence' is doing MUCH MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

Why is that so hard for people to understand??

Don't forget their first attempt at trying to bring down the trade center (an attack on US soil).

Don't forget their attack on the Cole.

Don't forget the military presence in the ME since Desert Storm, Bren

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

The point is Bren, that 'military presence' there really PISSES THEM OFF! That's why they are willing to fly planes into buildings. The only ones that benefit from our continued presence there are Halliburton, Phillips Petroleum and ALL the defense contractors. Oil has gone from $25 a barrel to $100 a barrel.

Our 'presence' is doing MUCH MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

Why is that so hard for people to understand??

Don't forget their first attempt at trying to bring down the trade center (an attack on US soil).

Don't forget their attack on the Cole.

Don't forget the military presence in the ME since Desert Storm, Bren

Yes, but don't forget that we were asked (paid) through oil/reduced oil prices by the Saudis for our assistance!!

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Can I put my two cents in?

To start with, there is plenty of oil in this country to take care of our needs. The only reason we stopped pumping it is because at the time (back in the 70's and 80's) it was cheaper to buy it from foreign countries. That is no longer the case, but big government doesn't want to stop the status quo.

As far as the terrorists are concerned, think back many years ago. They did not terrorize this country until we started poking our noses in the Middle East. Whether they would have attacked us anyway, who knows. But we have to stop supporting these countries financially. Why are we supporting them, anyway? Take Saudi Arabia. They have more riches than any other nation, yet we give them a welfare check every year. Same with Mexico. People are only poor there because their government wants them to be. They have plenty of money, yet we give them more. This whole thing of sending money to foreign countries is senseless.

There is oil in this country, there is NOT "enough" oil in this country.

Originally Posted by minnie

Bren if you don't like to read at least watch the movies. You will have more arguments in a debate.

Hey Min:

Why don't you do the same??? Sounds like a GREAT idea to me!!

Better yet---start off by listening to some of the President from Iran's recorded speeches!! Then "you" will have more arguments in a debate!!

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by kniggit

Bren said:

However, there is NO doubt in anyone's minds-----even the Dems are saying this----that we are going to have to have a military presence in the Middle East for a long time (not in war----but a presence, like Korea).

Why? What business do we have over there, that society has existed for thousands of years.


MW said: [quote:yyq4zemq]Are you saying there were no terrorist acts by folks from the ME prior to 9/11?

We were meddling over there waaay before 9-11

We no longer live in a world where Paul's policies will work-----as terrorists effecting our lives are only a plane ride away.

Remember the Summer of 2006 when the terrorists were arrested in Canada----as they were planning attacks in Canada and the US??? Did you ever read some of the articles from Canada-----where they actually had to pass laws saying------women are allowed to drive, women will not be stoned, women are not required to wear burkhas or full covering, Sharia Law will not be tolerated. The radical Muslims were trying to take over some of the Canadian communties and trying to FORCE Sharia Law. How many times has Canada interfered in other countries????

Part of their plan was also to deprive us of oil and/or price us so high that it caused bankruptcy/destruction of our country. Russia, Venezuela, and China were probably encouraging this as well.

Have you not heard the Iranian whackjob's speeches??? He has said----we are going to destroy little Satan (Israel) and big Satan (US) and all Western Civilization. He also believes that by starting these attacks----and possibly bringing on the end of the world with nukes-------that ????? will come back (not Mohammed, but whoever in their religion they believe will come back).[/quote:yyq4zemq]

Canada is still an English province, therefore, looked upon as guilty of the sins that England has committed.

Here is a brief history of the US and English "meddling" in the Middle east. I will give more info later if desired. I am short on time right now and I thought this summed it up pretty well

[quote]iolating their pledge to the Arabs for independence in return for their revolt against the Ottoman Turks, Great Britain and France became overlords of the Arab world in the wake of World War I. The European allies parceled out much of the land to themselves creating artificial states with artificial borders; ignoring ethnic, tribal, and sectarian lines; and anointing particular clans as royal families to rule over others. This left immense bitterness against the Western powers. Uprisings, such as occurred in the newly created Iraq in the 1920s, were ruthlessly suppressed. Formal independence eventually occurred, but always with the British and French maintaining their influence. This interference was further complicated by Britain’s support for a “Jewish homelandâ€

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by kniggit

Bren said:

However, there is NO doubt in anyone's minds-----even the Dems are saying this----that we are going to have to have a military presence in the Middle East for a long time (not in war----but a presence, like Korea).

Why? What business do we have over there, that society has existed for thousands of years.


MW said: [quote:21sr645m]Are you saying there were no terrorist acts by folks from the ME prior to 9/11?

We were meddling over there waaay before 9-11

We no longer live in a world where Paul's policies will work-----as terrorists effecting our lives are only a plane ride away.

Remember the Summer of 2006 when the terrorists were arrested in Canada----as they were planning attacks in Canada and the US??? Did you ever read some of the articles from Canada-----where they actually had to pass laws saying------women are allowed to drive, women will not be stoned, women are not required to wear burkhas or full covering, Sharia Law will not be tolerated. The radical Muslims were trying to take over some of the Canadian communties and trying to FORCE Sharia Law. How many times has Canada interfered in other countries????

Part of their plan was also to deprive us of oil and/or price us so high that it caused bankruptcy/destruction of our country. Russia, Venezuela, and China were probably encouraging this as well.

Have you not heard the Iranian whackjob's speeches??? He has said----we are going to destroy little Satan (Israel) and big Satan (US) and all Western Civilization. He also believes that by starting these attacks----and possibly bringing on the end of the world with nukes-------that ????? will come back (not Mohammed, but whoever in their religion they believe will come back).

[/quote:21sr645m]

Canada is still an English province, therefore, looked upon as guilty of the sins that England has committed.

Here is a brief history of the US and English "meddling" in the Middle east. I will give more info later if desired. I am short on time right now and I thought this summed it up pretty well

[quote]iolating their pledge to the Arabs for independence in return for their revolt against the Ottoman Turks, Great Britain and France became overlords of the Arab world in the wake of World War I. The European allies parceled out much of the land to themselves creating artificial states with artificial borders; ignoring ethnic, tribal, and sectarian lines; and anointing particular clans as royal families to rule over others. This left immense bitterness against the Western powers. Uprisings, such as occurred in the newly created Iraq in the 1920s, were ruthlessly suppressed. Formal independence eventually occurred, but always with the British and French maintaining their influence. This interference was further complicated by Britain’s support for a “Jewish homelandâ€