Thread: A voice of reason on immigration

Reciprocity
I see it differently

I did not arrive here by luck. My family built this country and maintained this country, and that line of courageous and enterprising individuals who carved a country out of wilderness and into the greatest in history passed my inheritance down to me. I am the product of my forebears, not a quirk of luck. I inherited traits form those pioneers and I learned at the knees of my father's father and mother's mother. I am the son of my fathers, and this is MY land. WE (my fathers for generations) built this land when we left the old lands and this is our inheritance and our home. To the best of my ability, I fight to protect the ideals that MY people perfected and codified and by which this nation was wrought.

It was your luck that you were born here not anywhere else.
This country was built on the ideas of Founding Fathers and hard work of pioneers, or/and immigrants.

Today ideas of Founding Fathers still stay. Or, at least they should.
Pioneers, are called entrepreneurs now, and they are as much needed now as then.

In the meantime, the country became very rich. As it often is with kids from rich families, many Americans do not want to work as to hard as pioneers or entrepreneurs. They do not want that sweat and risk. So they lobby for the laws limiting competition, for the laws limiting pioneers of today from entering this country, and they want laws to guarantee them share of the heritance accumulated by previous generation.

It is human. It is true. It is sad.

Originally Posted by hak51

Reciprocity
I see it differently

I did not arrive here by luck. My family built this country and maintained this country, and that line of courageous and enterprising individuals who carved a country out of wilderness and into the greatest in history passed my inheritance down to me. I am the product of my forebears, not a quirk of luck. I inherited traits form those pioneers and I learned at the knees of my father's father and mother's mother. I am the son of my fathers, and this is MY land. WE (my fathers for generations) built this land when we left the old lands and this is our inheritance and our home. To the best of my ability, I fight to protect the ideals that MY people perfected and codified and by which this nation was wrought.

It was your luck that you were born here not anywhere else.
This country was built on the ideas of Founding Fathers and hard work of pioneers, or/and immigrants.

Today ideas of Founding Fathers still stay. Or, at least they should.
Pioneers, are called entrepreneurs now, and they are as much needed now as then.

In the meantime, the country became very rich. As it often is with kids from rich families, many Americans do not want to work as to hard as pioneers or entrepreneurs. They do not want that sweat and risk. So they lobby for the laws limiting competition, for the laws limiting pioneers of today from entering this country, and they want laws to guarantee them share of the heritance accumulated by previous generation.

It is human. It is true. It is sad.

Are you drunk? You cite Reciprocity, but that was my quote, and one you already addressed.

I note that you are back to trying to change your original comment, which was not only about those born here today, but also included a claim that the creation of this nation was mere happenstance. I have answered both claims, and no more needs to be said on the subject. You did not rebut my response, merely gainsaid it.

You can parse words until you're blue in the face, Hack, but no one here is buying your nonsense.

Ladydrake
You ask

Do you mention this as an attempt to intimidate and/or as a threat? If not, then why did you mention this?

One of the respondents to my postings on immigration seriously suggested (I exchanged a few emails with him) to solve the immigration problem the same way as Hitler "solved" the “problem” of Jews. Please visit: http://www.alipac.us Please scroll text until the red font appears.
Should I pretend that I did not receive this posting?

CrocketsGhost
You asked

Are you drunk? You cite Reciprocity, but that was my quote, and one you already addressed

I may need a lunch break. I hope that my error did not cause too much confusion.

Originally Posted by hak51

Ladydrake
You ask

Do you mention this as an attempt to intimidate and/or as a threat? If not, then why did you mention this?

One of the respondents to my postings on immigration seriously suggested (I exchanged a few emails with him) to solve the immigration problem the same way as Hitler "solved" the “problem” of Jews. Please visit: http://www.alipac.us Please scroll text until the red font appears.
Should I pretend that I did not receive this posting?

Well, your link doesn't work and the posting does not appear to have been on this website, so the short answer is "yes."

CrocketsGhost

You just ask for a punch.

I note that you are back to trying to change your original comment, which was not only about those born here today, but also included a claim that the creation of this nation was mere happenstance. I have answered both claims, and no more needs to be said on the subject. You did not rebut my response, merely gainsaid it.

My point in my original texts and here, always has been that some Americans, born to prosperity, try to make comfortable live for themselves by cutting coupons from work of previous generations. At the same time, usually the same people talk and behave as they deserve the credit (due to Founding Fathers) for establishing the nation, and as they deserve the credit (due to the previous generations) for building the wealth of this country.

Just out of curiosity, Hack, you say on your website that, "the government should have no power to limit the freedom of Americans to hire foreigners."

Are you calling for a revolution, Henry? Perhaps you should consider that suggesting that the government be run in any manner nor authorized by the Constitution, or that the government shirk the duly imposed obligations placed upon it by the same without doing so by means of a duly enacted amendment is in fact revolution. We the People are the only ones who may lawfully change our Constitution, not some bratty Polish immigrant with a god complex.

Specifically, the Constitution grants power to regulate commerce with foreign nations (that would certainly include hiring foreign nationals) and to establish uniform rules for naturalization and to limit migration and importation of persons after the year 1808. I tell you this because it is clear that you have not familiarized yourself with the Constitution. The above information is contained in Art. 1, sec. 8-9.

CrocketsGhost
You found out

Well, your link doesn't work and the posting does not appear to have been on this website, so the short answer is "yes."

It is an internal link. Please go to http://www.alipac.us and click on the Readers Responses on the left.

I'm going to ignore your question as you do with most people's questions and ask you again.

Is your comment an attempt at intimidation and/or a threat?

Originally Posted by hak51

CrocketsGhost

You just ask for a punch.

I note that you are back to trying to change your original comment, which was not only about those born here today, but also included a claim that the creation of this nation was mere happenstance. I have answered both claims, and no more needs to be said on the subject. You did not rebut my response, merely gainsaid it.

My point in my original texts and here, always has been that some Americans, born to prosperity, try to make comfortable live for themselves by cutting coupons from work of previous generations. At the same time, usually the same people talk and behave as they deserve the credit (due to Founding Fathers) for establishing the nation, and as they deserve the credit (due to the previous generations) for building the wealth of this country.

In America, we have a right of descendency. You and your socialist leanings may not like it, but it is an established fact of law. If my family builds an estate, I as heir to that estate have a right to it. You do not. My parents, grandparents or whoever happens to have built it and pass it to their heirs have every right to do so, and your jealousy or covertousness does not change that fact one iota. They also have the right to decide not to pass the estate to their heirs, but to grant it to charity, the state, or the little red-headed girl next door if that is their wish. But in this nation, we presume, in the absence of any contrary evidence, that a person wishes to pass his legacy to the fruits of his loins. You are familiar with the concept of heritage, are you not? I have to ask because you appear to be unfamiliar with any number of elementary concepts.