Thread: A voice of reason on immigration

Originally Posted by hak51

...The world has become a small village, and it is naïve to believe that we can stop people from moving around. We can only facilitate this natural process. Our options are somewhat limited as millions of people from abroad want to come here so desperately that even killing on the spot those caught at illegal border crossing would not stop others from trying....

This paragraph immediately caught my eye and compels a reply because I've seen a million like it by liberals, progressives, socialists and communists. First, if the earth is a small village, America is the most desirable home in that village, as he points out elsewhere. Secondly, it's naive only in hak51's very liberal mind to believe migration cannot be stopped and must be facilitated. In fact, it's naive to believe facilitation is natural. In fact, organisms have been defending their territories for hundreds of millions of years. Facilitation after all, is just another term used by liberals instead of appeasement. Thirdly, he states our options are limited when the truth is, we hold all the cards. He never got around to saying that our fine house is not large enough for all those less fortunate with whom we share this small village. In lieu of using logic in this paragraph, he revectors the argument to point out that even killing those caught would not stop others from coming. The sane world would swiftly disagree with that argument gruesome as it is, because that's the ultimate defense against illegal aliens. It is the one absolute and immediate solution. Other options to keep communists out of our fine house are fences, dogs, moats, mace, etc., in addition to wholesale annihilation. If hak51 believes he can waltz into any country he wants, particularly this one, and take whatever space and property that strike his fancy, most of the civilized world would violently disagree because he did not earn it and nobody cares that he wants it anyway. For my house, I've got a Colt 9mm with which to disagree.

This is just one small paragraph from a very lengthy, very flawed and very boring rant. I too recommend you not waste your time.

Originally Posted by Tom2

Originally Posted by hak51

...The world has become a small village, and it is naïve to believe that we can stop people from moving around. We can only facilitate this natural process. Our options are somewhat limited as millions of people from abroad want to come here so desperately that even killing on the spot those caught at illegal border crossing would not stop others from trying....

This paragraph immediately caught my eye and compels a reply because I've seen a million like it by liberals, progressives, socialists and communists. First, if the earth is a small village, America is the most desirable home in that village, as he points out elsewhere. Secondly, it's naive only in hak51's very liberal mind to believe migration cannot be stopped and must be facilitated. In fact, it's naive to believe facilitation is natural. In fact, organisms have been defending their territories for hundreds of millions of years. Facilitation after all, is just another term used by liberals instead of appeasement. Thirdly, he states our options are limited when the truth is, we hold all the cards. He never got around to saying that our fine house is not large enough for all those less fortunate with whom we share this small village. In lieu of using logic in this paragraph, he revectors the argument to point out that even killing those caught would not stop others from coming. The sane world would swiftly disagree with that argument gruesome as it is, because that's the ultimate defense against illegal aliens. It is the one absolute and immediate solution. Other options to keep communists out of our fine house are fences, dogs, moats, mace, etc., in addition to wholesale annihilation. If hak51 believes he can waltz into any country he wants, particularly this one, and take whatever space and property that strike his fancy, most of the civilized world would violently disagree because he did not earn it and nobody cares that he wants it anyway. For my house, I've got a Colt 9mm with which to disagree.

This is just one small paragraph from a very lengthy, very flawed and very boring rant. I too recommend you not waste your time.

Hak51's comment
Sounds like an argument justifying rape to me.

Oh, it has never happened before like this but we can't stop it so let them enter freely any country, home, car, or orifice they like.


W

William,

I put a lot of my work trying to find out how to resolve our current immigration problem.

When finding Americans for Legal Immigration, I was under the impression that I found a community where people are concerned how to make legal immigration work, so we would not have that chaos of illegal immigration anymore. To my disappointment, I see very little attention here to making legal immigration work. Sadly, most posting here are pointed against illegal immigrants. Americangirl defined the best the undertone of the most posts here:

The illegal immigrants are what are making me angry in the first place.

I am puzzled by the amount of anger floating here. By my posting, I tried to understand the reasons and the rationale behind that anger. It is a basic human instinct to get angry when someone get hurt. However, anger is not a good advisor when making a decision.

You dare to remind me about good behavior, when I am the one assaulted here the most. I do not mind being assaulted here, as I asked for this myself by coming here with ideas that do not go along with the views of the majority. However, I do mind it when the Administrator does not recognize this fact.

I am a plain truth seeker. From the members of this forum I seek inspiration what we should to do to make the legal immigration work. Can we agree on stopping bashing illegal immigrants for the next 48 hours, just to the end of this weekend, and at the same time focusing on discussing how to make legal immigration work?

Does the platform of this community allow doing this?

Thank you

Henryk A. Kowalczyk
www.ALIPAC.US

You want to talk about Ireland, have been there several times in recent years and I will tell you what the economic boom and the european union has done for them. Their hospitals are overcrowded and emergency rooms have all day lines. They still cannot figure out what to do with the mountains of trash they have no place to put it. They charge to have it removed and instead people just decide to throw it on the side of the road which is ruining their beautiful countrysides. Their markets are inadequate for the volume of people they have in their country now, the price of food and anything else is far more expensive than here and they are building housing that looks like projects. Their crime rate is going through the roof and drugs are rampant and their children are dropping out of school due to the overcrowding and low funding. Yes there are plenty of jobs but they have sacrificed their country for it. The quality of life in Ireland today is nothing like it was 10-15 years ago when they were not overpopulated. That is what overpopulation does to a country and that is what is happening here in the US.

I was under the impression that I found a community where people are concerned how to make legal immigration work, so we would not have that chaos of illegal immigration anymore.

Your solution is to make anyone and everyone legal and therefore there will be no more illegal immigration.

You are a globalist. It is just that simple.

I would venture that most here are against globalism as that will result in the end of the UInited States of America. A country which was founded on a dream and paid for with the blood of our founders and defended with the blood of our husbands, fathers, grandfathers, etc.

hak51 wrote:

I am a plain truth seeker. From the members of this forum I seek inspiration what we should to do to make the legal immigration work. Can we agree on stopping bashing illegal immigrants for the next 48 hours, just to the end of this weekend, and at the same time focusing on discussing how to make legal immigration work?

Wanna see legal immigartion work? Start seriously enforcing EXISTING immigration laws by fining employers who hire illegals, arrest those aiding illegals, and deport those who are here illegally. Problem solved. The American people should not even be having to fight this problem. Our government, big business, and the illegals themselves are totally and completely IGNORING existing laws. I say throw 'em all in jail and throw away the key.

Henryk,

You just don't get it do you. With the American Republic in jeopardy it won't matter what your grand plan to "make legal immigration work" or anyone elses plan either. If you can't see that the marketplace of ideas is a gonner along with the will and representation of the American public on this then you need to take a deeper look.

The only hope YOU or anyone else has of selling a PLAN is if the corporate masters want you to float the plan or can make more money off of it. Anything else is useless at this time.

Yes, people are angry and I think the people here show a great deal of self control considering the FACT that the American Republic is falling to pieces, we are faced with control by corporations, and the end results involve 12 Americans needlessly killed per day not counting the rapes and assaults and thefts.

So you think you have been assaulted? You need to keep in mind that some of our key supporters and founders of this organizations have husbands, wives, sons, and daughters that are DEAD because our existing laws have not been enforced.

Anger is a survival reaction. Anger serves a purpose. Our anger is controlled and you need to back off.

Our organization name means that we support those that legally immigrate, but have formed to address the nation shattering illegal immigration crisis that has reached levels over 3 million per year making it THE LARGEST HUMAN MIGRATION IN HISTORY.

So you can take your little quips about legal immigration and you erudite attitude somewhere else.

Assault. ha. yea right. I don't think you know the meaning of that word.

Read our platform. We have made it clear we do not favor solving illegal immigration by making everyone legal and only an idiot or a greedy corrupt person willing to sell out their countrymen would advocate that.

Yes, I'm saying your plan to make higher levels of immigration legal and facilitate it so the supposed "ignorant reactive peasants" (Aka American Citizens) wont get upset..... well that plan is bullshit Henryk.

W

Originally Posted by hak51

However, Ireland can be a good example.

Go look up Ireland's new and improved immigration laws, enacted I believe in 2002, if you want to see why they have the fastest growing economy in the E.U.

Jeez, if you'regoing to make upsomething about the benefits of massive immigration, at least make it up about a country that hasn't just SLAMMED THE DOOR on immigrants, legal or not. They also repealed their birthright citizenship clause, as we should.

Hak51's "vibrant factory" sounds like a sweat-shop. His arguments are a convincing reason for dumping NAFTA and Bush's North American Alliance.

hak51 - I really have nothing new to add to this discussion. I think you are here looking for "gotcha's" for whatever purpose. But in case you are not I would just like to reiterate some of the points already made.

This issue is about the will of the people and our form of Governance

This is not one nation under McDonalds and Wal-Mart, and your "new way" solutions seek to placate these corporate interests that have superseded their authority. In fact, these corporations have ZERO authority on policy matters in our Constitution.

America is not for sale at ANY price.
See: Patrick Henry...

When this is all over, some of the politicians and Ken Lay's on your side of the issue will be in prison for their criminal betrayal of the citizens of the United States of America.

A country of laws predicated on the Constitution of The United States.
See: American soldiers...

even killing on the spot those caught at illegal border crossing would not stop others from trying....

A most absurd statement.

See: Tom2...
The sane world would swiftly disagree with that argument gruesome as it is, because that's the ultimate defense against illegal aliens. It is the one absolute and immediate solution.


I would venture that most here are against globalism as that will result in the end of the United States of America.

I agree with dlm1968.
See: The Declaration of Independence...

I put a lot of my work trying to find out how to resolve our current immigration problem.

You say that in a way that implies that we here have not done the same thing. I assure you no one here has taken this issue lightly or on some sort of whim.

You just don't get it do you.

I can't figure out if you are just being disingenuous or you really are coming from such a place as to
not understand what is being said. The idea of a sovereign America and preserving a way of life seems foreign to you? The Liberty passed down to us to enjoy BUT also to protect and pass on also seems foreign to you?