Thread: What is alipac? A hoax?

Originally Posted by Sam-I-am

Originally Posted by dyehard39

I do not doubt for one minute that he is apache native american because I listen to this garbage on this site all the time.
http://www.indianz.com/board/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26273

I read over the posts on that site -- at least the one you linked to. I know the Native Americans were treated badly and oppressed, but Mexico was just as bad! Mexico still oppresses its indigenous population to this day. I don't understand how the people on the above site can think that supporting illegal immigration is going to right that wrong or make anything better. It's just obvious that illegal immigration has made everyone's life worse! Can't they at least see that? It's going to affect them too, eventually. There's nowhere to hide, nowhere to run. They maybe safe on their tribal nations now, but what about 10 years from now?

Furthermore the cartoon book that the Mexican government hands out to their citizens are especially targeted to the Natives there because they do not want them. Yet when they come up here the President in Mexico says where ever Mexicans are is Mexico!

To all the whiny American Indians and Mexican Invaders:

In case you haven't noticed, it's 2007. The past is history. We won, you lost. Get used to it and bring yourselves to 2007, please.

Think about it: CAN YOU CHANGE HISTORY? No. So please move on. We are really sick and tired of hearing your stories of oppression. It is really getting boring and OBNOXIOUS.

Maybe the difference between you and us is WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE AND WE ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW. If you do that instead of wasting your time wailing about the past, maybe you guys can progress too.

Special note to American Indians: You guys have it so good. FREE EVERYTHING, INCLUDING COLLEGE. If you guys weren't conquered, you would be like the rest of us, WORKING AND PAYING FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY. So please be grateful for how things worked out for you. Be positive and make the most out of the free college education.

I wouldn't put it quite like that. In some cases, some tribes have some degree of wealth and arrangements to help their citizens. Others are not so fortunate, and many individuals do not have a formal tribal affiliation. A while back there was a scandal in that our government mismanaged money that was owed to tribal members as a result of a legal agreement, leaving many individuals impoverished, and this happened recently, not back in the 19th century. In some cases they have their own nations within our nation, with their own legal jurisdiction, police, and courts. But I've known many who live among us on the same terms as we do: educators with graduate degrees, a gifted mainframe programmer with a Master's in math (and relatives on the rez), blue collar workers (a process server, carpet installer) too. I've been on a Ute reservation, and visited the Osage Nation, and seen something about the different conditions, but I'm not claiming to be an expert here. There's lots of differences in circumstances; I was at a party once with a Huron woman and her Lakota husband, and they were experiencing cultural differences between them. In general, successful modern Indian/Native Americans know the past but are not weighted down by it. Just as if Europeans have a beef with North Africa, it's due to something recent such as immigration or terrorism, not still dwelling on the past when white Europeans were hunted and enslaved by the thousands during the Barbary pirate era. Talking about immigration and population issues needs rational thought and discussion, not the knee-jerk slogans and emotionalism we are getting from the likes of the Aztlan crowd.

Originally Posted by Ex_OC

[color=indigo]To all the whiny American Indians and Mexican Invaders:

Special note to American Indians: You guys have it so good. FREE EVERYTHING, INCLUDING COLLEGE. If you guys weren't conquered, you would be like the rest of us, WORKING AND PAYING FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY. So please be grateful for how things worked out for you. Be positive and make the most out of the free college education.

I never got anything free. I worked my way through school and finacially took care of three children. My children worked their way through school also. All three of them.

Doesn't sound like American Indians get everything free.

Postsecondary Financial Aid for American Indians and Alaska Natives. ERIC Digest.
One of the many critical issues confronting the education of American Indians and Alaska Natives [hereafter, "Natives"] is ensuring that Native students gain equal access to post secondary education and that they are prepared for academic success. This Digest summarizes challenges Native students confront in obtaining adequate financial aid; general sources of aid for Native students; and ways communities and parents can support students through the financial aid process. The Digest ends with some readily available print and Web-based sources of information about student financial aid.
A growing number of Natives are attending college--both tribal controlled and mainstream--across the United States. For example, from 1982 to 1995 the number of Natives enrolled in college increased by 49.2 percent. Many of these students were the first in their families to do so (Hoover & Jacobs, 1992; Gedachian, 199. According to the findings of the 1995 Status Report on Minorities in Higher Education, Natives had the highest enrollment increase (7.4 percent) at four-year institutions of any minority group (Carter & Wilson, 1995). Native students must confront many challenges to complete postsecondary education; of these, obtaining adequate financial resources is probably the most serious.
FINANCIAL AID CHALLENGES AND REALITIES
Lack of family resources. Many Native students enter college with no resources other than what they receive through financial aid. High levels of unemployment in many Native communities severely limit students' and their families' ability to save money for education (LaCounte, 1987). During the 1992-93 academic year, about 62 percent of Native American undergraduates needed financial assistance. Most of these students received financial aid in the form of grants, loans, and work-study (Pavel et al., 199.
Bureaucratic and paperwork hurdles. The process of applying for college financial aid has become increasingly complex over the past decade. Meeting all the funding criteria and completing all required forms and verifications can frustrate and discourage students. Students also must make certain the appropriate offices have received and are processing the forms without problems (LaCounte, 1987; Gedachian, 199. It helps to have students, families, counselors, and teachers work together to secure the adequate funding. It can be especially unnerving for students to cope with the uncertainty about how much aid they will be given. Because the campus financial aid office must coordinate with all other available resources to determine a total financial aid package, this process can take several months. And when a problem develops, it is the student's responsibility to supply missing information or find a solution.
Unrealistic requirements for student earnings. Unfortunately for all, the financial aid package offered at the end of the process may fall short of the student's true needs. For example, a scholarship computation service used by many colleges recommends a specific amount of money students should contribute. Students are expected to earn this amount through summer jobs or part-time employment during the academic year. All things being equal, this plan makes good sense; but all things are not equal (LaCounte, 1987). Unemployment and poverty rates in rural Native communities are very high, and work opportunities that do exist are limited to low-wage manufacturing and seasonal or part-time service jobs. Further, a long history of isolation and discrimination combine to create financial hardship on many reservations (Swanson, 1999). Despite these realities, financial aid offices count the expected earned income as part of the student's budget regardless of whether or not it exists.
Unacknowledged costs. Native students frequently face a tug-of-war between what the financial aid office says are necessities and what their reality dictates to be necessities (Zitzow & Estes, 1981). The cost of movingto a college community is virtually ignored, and students are left to whatever means they can find to secure moving expenses. Students must also pay for their own medical care as well as child care if they have families (Beaulieu, 1991). Other common expenses include trips to attend ceremonies and helping family members meet financial obligations. Distrust of officials. The problems faced by Native students are often compounded by a high level of distrust of non-Native officials. Research by Teresa LaFromboise and David Dixon (1981) found that Natives are more likely to be skeptical of others until trustworthiness has been established, as compared to the non-Native attitude of trusting until the trust has been broken. Staff of college financial aid offices and Native students encounter this dilemma in an already challenging process. Employing Native personnel in financial aid offices would alleviate this problem and demonstrate the institution's commitment to multiculturalism (Canabal, 1990; Wright, 1992).
SOURCES OF FINANCIAL AID
In the past, financial aid usually included grants and scholarships. Today's financial aid can also include work-study and loans (Kezar, 1997). Some readily available guides and directories to various sources are included at the end of this Digest. In general, though, the federal Office of Postsecondary Education is the most common source of aid for Native American undergraduates, with 34 percent receiving some type of federal financial aid (Pavel et al., 199. The federal government also offers several grants and scholarship programs designed specifically to provide aid to Native American undergraduate students. These programs are administered by the Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Indian Health Services. Each program encourages Native American students to pursue postsecondary degrees but most stipulate specific fields in which study must occur.
The majority of aid given by college financial aid offices is based on family and student needs. It is important for students to know that, even if their parents are unemployed, they are eligible for financial aid.
Many students assume they can finance their college education through a merit scholarship, which refers to funding based on a student having a special talent demonstrated through athletic, artistic, or academic accomplishment. The reality is that less than 5 percent of all financial aid is in the form of merit scholarships. These types of scholarships are used to recruit and attract selected students (Montague, 1997). Yet, colleges and universities have increased the number of merit scholarships based on academic accomplishments, with some earmarked for minority students. Students should inquire if the college they plan to attend offers academic merit scholarships and ask about the application requirements.
SUPPORTING STUDENTS THROUGH THE FINANCIAL AID PROCESS
Some ideas have already been suggested for how financial aid offices could better assist Native students. Much can also be done at the community level. Some Native communities have established college funds, demonstrating a commitment to educating their members as a top priority. Tribal education offices and programs also need to work with families and high school counselors to identify those students interested in attending college. This should be done as early as possible to help students prepare for higher education and then help them through the application and financial aid process. Other ideas include
* encouraging families to begin saving for college while their children are in grade school
* organizing colleges, secondary schools, and Native communities to cosponsor financial aid information sessions for students, parents, teachers, counselors, and all other interested parties
* contacting the Native American Scholarship Fund (see lists of resources) about offering a training seminar on preparing students for college (this seminar is designed for Native American communities, schools, and colleges)
* checking with the state agency that administers state scholarships and other forms of financial aid (in recent years, many of these agencies have become more involved in outreach to families) (Montague, 1997)
* inquiring about possible tuition waivers for in-state Native students who are attending state colleges or universities
* making sure counselors and parents have the most current information available
Financing the rising costs of college may seem like a daunting task, but funds are available. It is just a matter of uncovering them. The following are examples of the numerous financial aid resources available both in print and on the Internet.
http://www.ericdigests.org/2000-4/aid.htm

dyehard39,

I stand corrected. Obviously, my information was wrong. Thanks for the correction.

Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

The fact that so many of these folks are in their 6-7-8th year of H-1B should prompt a criminal investigation of their employer, with pointed questions about what they have done to find or develop an American worker all this time. We know the answer already.

Ford Motor Company in Dearborn is the worst H1-B offender in the US, having thrown thousands of American workers out of work, but because they can flex their "muscle" they can continue down the same illegal path.

Several years ago I had an employment class with a former Ford worker (who refused to return to Ford even when offerered work there) and he told me about a troublesome Ford employee who spoke his mind. This employee was killed when a heavy factory door was rigged to fall on top of him when he passed through it. People fear Ford the way they fear the old Mafia.

Originally Posted by Bowman

Originally Posted by apache_native_american

We let u guys stay here , so why not help the other poor ppl of the world.
-Proud First American

You know it just struck me if we do what he wants, he will be living in Mexico, not America. Most American Indians are not this stupid, they know Mexicans treat Indians much worse than Americans do. The guy is either a fake or on meth.

Nope. He is an Asian Indian hoping that he will ride on the coat-tails of the Mexican invasion. Many Asian Indians think using "u" instead of "you" in a text message sounds trendy (or "net savvy" I am told).

Indigenous people fought other tribes and conquered them and enslaved
them. Thats the way it was. Along came people stronger than them and
carried on the conquering. The Spainards conquered the locals and
produced the Mexicans!!!!

Now, they are not stronger than us but they are procreating at a rate
that will overtake our population and change our culture if not stopped.

With all due respect Mr. Indian, its time to get over it and take care of
the business at hand which will be in your best interest unless you think
a third world country is better than what you have now.