Thread: Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama?

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

DYHARD

Not sure but I think you might have taken what has been said here in the wrong way.

it doesn't have to do with religion, per se, it has everything to do with the fact that islamic law supercedes all laws.

There is no, and would never be, loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.

Why would an American vote for anyone who's loyalty lies in another direction. We've already been doing that for generations and that's why our country is in the condition that it is in.

Proof is sitting in the White House and Congress.

Exactly. While Christians, for example, are exhorted to obey the civil authorities (1 Peter 2:13,14; Romans 13:1-5), while Muslims are taught to reject any law beyond the Koran.

If this really was the case, there would not have been a large number of Jews and Christians in Iraq where Islams law is law and they intermarried and lived together in peace until our invasion when Muslims, Jews and Christians left Iraq.
Al Muslims in Iraq did not practice Islam the same way. There were Iraqi and Arab Shia, Summi, Kurds, Armenians and Turks and they all differ in practice. Even Saddam, a Sunni, had no problem the the different religious factions, including Jews and Christians.

No, dyehard, Iraq was governed as a secular country. That's what the Iranian Ayotollahs hated about Saddam.

Are you Muslim, dyehard? You seem to have a dog in this hunt.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by dyehard39

"Where there is ignorance, there is often fear, even though the vast majority of Muslims in America are interested in being good neighbors, enjoying the freedoms our Cohntstitution provides, and being helpful contributors to American society. many Americans unfortunately equate being Arab or Muslim with an inclination toward violence and terrorism, and they are deeply concerned about the growth of Islam and the teaching of the Koran in the United States and the spread of ideas that come out of the Koran."

qoute;
"Understanding the Koran;
Mateen Elass

Thanks for that quote. Should we now sit down and watch some Leni Riefenstahl films to determine whether National Socialism was good or bad?

Has nothing to do with Barack Obama.

Of course it does. You have to consider the source of any quote. All you seem to want to quote are Muslim propagandists. Where do you get this stuff, at your Mosque?

You know what? I have more than one dog in this hunt.

When anyone can prove me wrong - PROVE without propaganda but fact -then I will apologize and re-think my beliefs.

Until then, post any crap you can find but it doesn't cut any ice.
I don't read propaganda unless I want to know what the enemy is doing.
All the above has proven my point and kept me up to date with the enemy strategy........for that I am grateful.

islam is ruled only by islamic law and our Constitution is a hated document in the islamic world.

TRUTH is TRUTH

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

I do understand where you're coming from, DYE, as I've been there myself. It took many years for me to accept the truth.

Personally, I'll put my experiences over the disinformation that is placed into our airwaves for mass consumption. I know what I've seen with my own eyes and I know a bit of history.

It's amazing, to me, that it's landed on our shores but, alas, it has and turning our backs on truth is destructive.

Again, it is beneficial to inspect CAIR for a great deal of the truth.
Look at the results in europe.
Look at the happenings right here in the U.S.
Look at how the muslims are using our Constitution to, in effect, destroy it.
Eventually, eyes open and the truth is the truth.
No different than the ILLEGALS............who are being used by the islamic maniacs now as another way to infiltrate and do their dirty deeds.[/quo

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Where have you been and what experience have you had? You keep lumping Muslilm as a whole and you cannot do that anymore than you can lump all Christians with the KKK or Neo-nazi or all Mexicans with drugs and illegal immigration or all black men as pimps and drug dealers and gang menbers.
Experience can be deceiving. I really does not mean anything. You said it all when you said "Islamic Maniacs" because that set them apart from Muslims that are not radical in belief. All muslim do not have the same beliefs or practice Islam the same.
I feel that I am up against a brick wall.

This nation was founded by Christians, but the people that were already here in 1492 were not Christians.
We are a long way from 1492 and this is no longer a Christian nation. People of all religions, races and nationalities built this country and they are in all levels of government. One day in the near future there will be a Hispanic president and quite possible a muslin, a woman or Afro-American. Maybe even an atheist or a gay if we do not self destruct first.
What we are complaining about now (a Muslim) we were doing the same thing when a Catholic was elected as president.
I believe the best man qualified to do the job should be able to have the job. No matter who he is and Obama is as qualified as any of the other candidates. Micky mouse, bugs bunny and goofy would do a better job than the present. We need to get over the stereotyping of people who have every right to be here and be and be a part of America.
Top Iraqi leaders with Saddam on the Revolutionary Command Council which was the highest governing body were...three arab Shia....three Arab Sunni...one Arab Christian...and one Kurd. They were all Muslims but practiced Islam different. Being born to a Muslim father who left the scene when he was two years old and attending a school that taught a class in Islam for two years when age 9 and 10 can hardly qualify him to be a Muslim and that was the extent of his Muslim background.
Obama is not and never was a Muslim and probably had no religion background beyond the age ten becaue his mother was an atheist, until he was an adult and chose to be a Christian.Get over it already. We could and probably do much worse then Obama. I would not vote for him because of his stand on immigration issues and not because he of his race of religion.

It appears that a lot of Americans are not in the least concern about his childhood.

WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

One day in the near future there will be a Hispanic president and quite possible a muslin, a woman or Afro-American. Maybe even an atheist or a gay if we do not self destruct first.

WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF.

I submit that if we have a Muslim or gay President we will have already self-destructed.

And no, we also have radical Muslims, Hispanic invaders fuelled by dreams of reconquista, and our own idiocy in being led by political correctness down the path to self-destruction to fear.

Afro-American

I'm pretty sure "afro" is a hairstyle. But anyway, did you hear about the controversy about teaching little kids about being gay in our public schools? I think that is up to the parents to teach, if and when they choose to, because it is not the norm for our society. What do the rest of you think?

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by dyehard39

One day in the near future there will be a Hispanic president and quite possible a muslin, a woman or Afro-American. Maybe even an atheist or a gay if we do not self destruct first.

WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF.

I submit that if we have a Muslim or gay President we will have already self-destructed.

And no, we also have radical Muslims, Hispanic invaders fuelled by dreams of reconquista, and our own idiocy in being led by political correctness down the path to self-destruction to fear.

I couldn't agree more! I'm sure that a Muslim president won't happen in my lifetime. But, I can almost see a gay person getting elected. I mean, they can just sneak on in there. Sort of like McGreevy. He gave the impression of a happily married family man, and then came out of the closet. Who knew?

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

I do understand where you're coming from, DYE, as I've been there myself. It took many years for me to accept the truth.

Personally, I'll put my experiences over the disinformation that is placed into our airwaves for mass consumption. I know what I've seen with my own eyes and I know a bit of history.

It's amazing, to me, that it's landed on our shores but, alas, it has and turning our backs on truth is destructive.

Again, it is beneficial to inspect CAIR for a great deal of the truth.
Look at the results in europe.
Look at the happenings right here in the U.S.
Look at how the muslims are using our Constitution to, in effect, destroy it.
Eventually, eyes open and the truth is the truth.
No different than the ILLEGALS............who are being used by the islamic maniacs now as another way to infiltrate and do their dirty deeds.[/quo

te]

Where have you been and what experience have you had? You keep lumping Muslilm as a whole and you cannot do that anymore than you can lump all Christians with the KKK or Neo-nazi or all Mexicans with drugs and illegal immigration or all black men as pimps and drug dealers and gang menbers.
Experience can be deceiving. I really does not mean anything. You said it all when you said "Islamic Maniacs" because that set them apart from Muslims that are not radical in belief. All muslim do not have the same beliefs or practice Islam the same.
I feel that I am up against a brick wall.

I don't LUMP anyone together. Please don't label me.

However, Islamic law is FACT and that is the only thing that matters when discussing muslims in the US of A much less holding elected office. And yes, all muslims do have the same beliefs. That's the point.
muslims are ruled by islamic law.

Where I've been & my experiences would knock your socks off.

Where have you been, DYE, and what experiences have you had?
Are you muslim and are speaking from your personal experiences concerning the "practice" of islamic law? Other than the typical propaganda shmooze pieces that you've offered, what do you know that has formed your beliefs concerning this subject?

Originally Posted by Neese

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

DYE

Have you every been to Israel?
Have you any experience in the Middle East?

I have.

To do not have to go to these places to know the people and the religion. There is plenty of information out there.

Specifically, how do you know the people and the religion?

From study of their religion, their law, their way of life and how differently it is practiced in different Muslim countries. You do no have to go to these places to know how they live. No all Muslims practice Islam the same. Information is there if you want it. I know perfectly well that their are radical Muslim, but all Muslims are not radical as not all Christians practice Christianity the same and not not radical in their belief.
You did not have to live in the past to know what happened. History teaches history.