Thread: Voting For McCain

Woohoo Fred Thompson!! He is behind because he knows

Here is my pov I don't agree with McCain on his Immigration stance, and to me I feel that it is crucial that we stop this!!

Chuck Baldwin, doesn't have a chance, good guy but maybe next time.

Anything is better than Obama with a fully controlled liberal filibuster congress and judicial system period!

What makes anyone here think that these party's consider a vote for them justification of their immigration stance? It makes no sense, they wont even bring up the issue!!!!!

They don't care they even want Illegal's to vote!

I think that if we have any chance of avoiding an amnesty I would rather take my chances with McCain. Palin should set him straight I hope, or at least be able to stand up to a dem congress.

And I know at least we can keep judicial and executive branch republican.

Obama will not stand up to the middle east or Korea or Russia.

He will eliminate this country to a political correct state making it to the point to where what we are doing right now will be a crime.

I know that people hate having to choose between the two evils, and I do too. But I think that if you give your vote to a 3rd party now you might as well vote for Obama and socialism, because without every republication voting republican Obama will win.

Your choice though But I will not help Obama and regardless of what I feel should be done about Illegal Immigration I would vote for a veteran any day than a (MOD EDIT)

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

I will not reward the GOP with a vote for McCain, because I do not think McCain shold be President. No way, no how.

Same here, Angela. The portion of the following piece dealing with Kosovo, is just one of many reasons McCain will never get my vote, Obama notwithstanding. "Two-thirds into the Year of the Rat... And how Kosovo will get Israel nuked": www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin.php3

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by chloe24

Unfortunately, once again we are allowing FEAR to dictate choosing a "lesser than 2 evils" candidate. When are we ever going to learn and break this endless cycle???

I touched on this topic in a previous post:

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-129926-75.html

There is NO DIFFERENCE between Obama and McCain. BOTH are for amnesty, BOTH are for spending billions of dollars in foreign aide to countries we have no business sticking our noses in (Iraq, Georgia, etc) BOTH will continue to contribute to our national debt which will be passed off to future generations. BOTH are for the same monetary policy which devalues our dollar.

WE NO LONGER HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT! These candidates are GLOBALISTS pure and simple.

Americans need to take a deep breath and get a backbone. Vote independent. Even if you think they can't win because eventually as more people start voting this way, we will slowly begin to see REAL change (and it won't be just a campaign slogan!) We MUST do this. If not for ourselves, than at least for the future of our children and grandchildren who deserve to live in peace and prosperity which was paid for by the blood of our countrymen. We are letting ALL of them down if we continue to be in denial about this.

"Posterity! you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent it in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it."

- John Adams


There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties... This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.

- John Adams

I agree 100% Chloe, great post and great quotes. Didn't Thomas Jefferson also say something like, "We've given you your republic. Let's see if you can keep it."

MY GOD have we failed.......The globalists, corporatists, and lobbies control our government. I wonder what they would think of this mess, and how we are partaking in it.

BTW, I know you are a big Paul supporter and in contact with his his base.....How many are coming over to the Baldwin campaign?

Thanks BearFlagRepublic. The Founders would certainly be rolling over in their graves to see how spineless and ignorant we Americans have become.

As far as the Paul base is concerned, I couldn't really say how many are coming over to the Baldwin campaign. However, I do hear a mix of support for both Chuck Balwin as well as Barr, while others still remain unsure.

Yesterday at the Rally For The Republic, Jesse Ventura (I know he's a bit rough around the edges and some people here think he's a kook), anyway, he made an excellent speech about how Americans have been denied the right to hear from other candidates during election debates.

He said back in 1992, Ros Perot was allowed in because at that time we had the League of Women Voters. The establishment got frightened at the percentage of votes Perot received, so both Dole and Clinton got together and had Congress pass some legislation that did away with the League. That's why Independent candidates are not allowed a platform to speak.

You can watch Ventura's speech here:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Originally Posted by MW

Chloe24 wrote:

Unfortunately, once again we are allowing FEAR to dictate choosing a "lesser than 2 evils" candidate

"FEAR" is a huge motivator and I definitely fear an Obama presidency.

You're absolutely right about that MW. But when I fear something, I generally run in the opposite direction! Not toward the lesser of 2 fears! That's why I'll be voting for either Baldwin or Barr.

Tell me MW, how in the world do we Americans ever get our country back from these Globalists and end this vicious cycle?? How do we return our country to the way it was established - as a constitutional Republic? Seriously. What would be the logical thing to do here? The only real power we have is the power of the vote. Change doesn't happen over night but at least by voting for independents, we are heading in the right direction. At least there will be a light at the end of a very long and dark tunnel. Do you see a light at the end of this tunnel if John McCain wins?

I will absolutely guarentee you, whoever gets in office, there will be NO DIFFERENCE. We will have more wars, amnesty for illegals, increased debt, and most likely the collapse of our economy. What will McCain do for you that will ease your fears? Besides, he's not quite the Conservative he claims to be anyway. Why do you think he chose Palin? To ease the fears of the conservative base. (as well as to obviously get the female Hillary supporters)

I personally have great fear of BOTH candidates. As I see it, either way, WE'RE SCREWED! That's why it's up to us to start changing things around here. We've abdicated our power. We have to find the courage to chart a new course otherwise we will continue to go around in the same circles. Aren't you sick and tired of this already??

If a few thousand people would just find this courage and tell others, it will start a ripple effect. There IS power in numbers. We have to educate people and become unified.

I will also guarentee you that after about 2 years into this new presidency, (whether it's Obama or Mccain), the rest of us will once again be hearing from voters like yourself, who will be moaning about the fact that you elected such a loser for President. Meanwhile the rest of us independent thinkers will be posting messages on ALIPAC like "WE TOLD YOU SO!" Beginning to see a pattern developing here MW?? (GWB maybe?)



The point is, voters such as yourself are falling for the same trap that both parties set up every election cycle, and are all too happy to see you fall into. Someone once described both parties like organized crime families. To the outside world they fight amongst themselves for control. But behind the scenes, they join forces to maintain their staus quo. Like Lou Dobbs once said, "they are 2 wings of the same bird."

Does it really matter what Palin's stance is on illegal immigration! We know what McCain's stance is and it's he that is running for the top spot. Not Palin! Does anyone think for a minute that McCain is going to be persuaded by Palin to do a 360 on his original position regarding amnesty for illegal invaders, simply because Palin is on the ticket as VP!

I will not vote for Obama and i'm not a big fan of McCain. What the heck am I going to do!

Please help California!

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-130490.html

Well she can give good speeches, if she can debate Biden as well as she put Obama in his place The dems are in trouble!!!!

NoBueno wrote:

Does it really matter what Palin's stance is on illegal immigration! We know what McCain's stance is and it's he that is running for the top spot. Not Palin!

Some of us are seriously considering McCain's age into the equation. He may or may not remain in office for four years. Whatever the case, a McCain win now would more than likely mean we would be getting a different candidate in 2012. If Obama wins, the odds are that we won't be so fortunate (odds tend to favor the incumbent). Personally, I think a defensive play may be our best bet in this situation. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by MW

NoBueno wrote:

Does it really matter what Palin's stance is on illegal immigration! We know what McCain's stance is and it's he that is running for the top spot. Not Palin!

Some of us are seriously considering McCain's age into the equation. He may or may not remain in office for four years. Whatever the case, a McCain win now would more than likely mean we would be getting a different candidate in 2012. If Obama wins, the odds are that we won't be so fortunate (odds tend to favor the incumbent). Personally, I think a defensive play may be our best bet in this situation. Just my opinion.

From that stand point it does make sense MW to consider what Palin's views would be on illegal immigration. I just cannot bring myself to get over McCain and his "hispandering" to mexico and every illegal in this country with his mass amnesty proposals and promises of amnesty in back alley meetings with various hispanic groups. I simply cannot forgive him for that! Palin may actually turn out to be a viable VP, which makes me even more angry at McCain for betraying this country as he did with his allegiance to mexico and amnesty.

I suppose i'm without a candidate MW and I do not know what I will do. It would take some very public statements by Palin coming out against amnesty and illegal immigration for me to even consider voting for McCain! That's the only way I could see it happening!