Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

O'Reilly just said it....the "Birther deal" is madness. We are all nut cases. Maybe he is right. However, he should be asking the question.."why won't Obama unseal his records?"

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

O'Reilly just said it....the "Birther deal" is madness. We are all nut cases. Maybe he is right. However, he should be asking the question.."why won't Obama unseal his records?"

No one is nuts for wanting to verify the natural born citizenship qualification or any other qualification to be President of the United States. O'Reilly hasn't investigated it, he has no proof one way or other, therefore, he's being opinionated and silly to make such a statement.

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

O'Reilly just said it....the "Birther deal" is madness. We are all nut cases. Maybe he is right. However, he should be asking the question.."why won't Obama unseal his records?"

No one is nuts for wanting to verify the natural born citizenship qualification or any other qualification to be President of the United States. O'Reilly hasn't investigated it, he has no proof one way or other, therefore, he's being opinionated and silly to make such a statement.

Judy, I think it goes much deeper than that. The evidence is out there so why haven't they take even a few hours to investigate it? I believe they have been told to not go anywhere near this topic for reasons only the network executives know. Very dangerous in my opinion!

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Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

O'Reilly just said it....the "Birther deal" is madness. We are all nut cases. Maybe he is right. However, he should be asking the question.."why won't Obama unseal his records?"

No one is nuts for wanting to verify the natural born citizenship qualification or any other qualification to be President of the United States. O'Reilly hasn't investigated it, he has no proof one way or other, therefore, he's being opinionated and silly to make such a statement.

Judy, I think it goes much deeper than that. The evidence is out there so why haven't they take even a few hours to investigate it? I believe they have been told to not go anywhere near this topic for reasons only the network executives know. Very dangerous in my opinion!

I don't think they care whether he's a natural born citizen or not. These are all globalists who could care less about national citizenship. To them citizenship is a joke.

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Courts can remove ineligible chief executive
Precedent cited in appeal of California challenge to president's tenure

We don't need a court to remove the ineligible impostor.

We only need a judge to demand discovery. Then the court of public opinion will force him to resign.

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Obama's prayer: 'Don't question my citizenship'

Raises issue of eligibility in speech at annual breakfast gathering

Posted: February 04, 2010
11:34 am Eastern
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

President Obama today at the National Prayer Breakfast raised the issue of his own eligibility for office – saying that people shouldn't be questioning his "citizenship."

Talking about the issue of "civility," he said, "Now, I am the first to confess I am not always right. Michelle will testify to that. But surely you can question my policies without questioning my faith, or, for that matter, my citizenship."

The video:

civility questions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8vUSywS ... r_embedded

Obama continues, "Challenging each other's ideas can renew our democracy. But when we challenge each other's motives, it becomes harder to see what we hold in common. We forget that we share at some deep level the same dreams – even when we don't share the same plans on how to fulfill them."

The questions, however, over Obama's "citizenship," actually go to the core of the American republic. Multiple lawsuits have challenged that he is not qualified for the Oval Office under the Constitution's requirement that U.S. presidents be a "natural born citizen."

The plaintiffs – who run into the hundreds so far and who still have a number of cases pending at the appelllate level – have alleged that failing to meet that constitutional requirement means he actually is a usurper, with no actual authority to be president.

On a forum page at The Hill newspaper, one commenter wrote that the president has only himself to blame for the questions.

"Personally I am no birther … but I am curious as to why Obama continues to beat on this issue .. is it a political ploy by his handlers to continue to use this as a divisive issue? To try and embarrass a certain segment of the population? And if not, why doesn't he just provide the certificate and end all the speculation for the conspirators once and for all? Obama has certainly been a little less than forthcoming on his grades, his Harvard review publications and many other accomplishments…"

The reference apparently was the first time the issue has been addressed by Obama, even though he did not provide any answers. His press secretary, Robert Gibbs, repeatedly has ridiculed questions related to the subject, and the White House itself has declined to respond to any of a multitude of questions submitted by WND over months on the issue.

The multiple Obama eligibility cases have cited Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, which states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether Obama was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

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Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Further, others question his citizenship by virtue of his attendance in Indonesian schools during his childhood and question on what passport did he travel to Pakistan three decades ago.

Adding fuel to the fire is Obama's persistent refusal to release documents that could provide answers and the appointment – at a cost confirmed to be at least $1.7 million – of myriad lawyers to defend against all requests for his documentation, such as his original birth certificate. While his supporters cite an online version of a "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii as his birth verification, critics point out such documents actually were issued for children not born in the state.

Among documentation not yet available for Obama is his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

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Another attorney's views on Obama is below.

Anita MonCrief (referenced in Gaynor's article) has much to say about ACORN and Obama at:
http://anitamoncrief.blogivists.com/.

Doug Edelman's Beck article (also referenced by Gaynor) can be found here:
http://westernfrontamerica.com/2010/01/ ... -birthers/

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When it comes to Obama, DON'T assume!

Author: Michael Gaynor
February 5, 2010
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/gaynor/100205

The sooner the whole truth about Obama and his radical enablers is generally known, the better.

Law students are told not to assume.

It's good advice for everyone, especially when it comes to President Obama, about whom much is assumed and much is not generally known.

Support for Obama's radical policies, like Obamacare, has plunged, but Obama's personal popularity remains high, thanks to the liberal media establishment's lack of scrutiny of, and willingness to turn a blind eye or even cover up or lie for, Obama.

As I reported on October 22, 2008:

ACORN whistleblower Anita MonCrief "had been working with New York Times national correspondent Stephanie Strom, but what ended up published as Ms. Strom's ACORN articles were so 'watered down' that Anita decided to turn elsewhere.

"Wisely so.

"Yesterday, Anita advised me, Ms. Strom apologetically canceled a meeting for today and explained that New York Times policy was not to publish what might be a game changing article this close to the election."

Neither The New York Times, nor ABC, nor CNN wanted to do a pre-election Obama/ACORN expose, lest it be a game changer.

The ugly truth about Obama and the Obama campaign and such radical organizations as ACORN, SEIU and La Raza should have been generally known before Election Day 2008, but it was not.

It still needs to become generally known and that involves setting aside the assumption that Obama is a person of great personal integrity and scrutinizing the facts.

[i]The so-called "birthers" are intent on ascertaining the facts, but my friend Doug Edelman admonished the Right to "put [Obama's presidential] eligibility question on the shelf until after election night, 2010," because "t is a potentially disastrous distraction before then," in "Beck and the Birthers" (February 3, 2010).

Make no mistake: Doug did not bash "the birthers," like buffoonish Glenn Beck and blustery Bill O'Reilly.

Doug: "There is indeed reason to question Obama's eligibility and he has invested MILLIONS in quashing the probes into the question! Once the security and stability of the fundamental structure of the Republic can be assured (after the 2010 elections), the question MUST be raised and resolved!"

But Doug believes that Beck is right that the eligibility issue "could serve to advance Obama's interests — at least at this point in time!"

If so, that's partly because Beck and O'Reilly tried to enhance their own credibility by using a Saul Alinsky tactic and ridiculing "the birthers" instead of pointing out the obvious: (1) Obama has been hiding his actual birth certificate, (2) it's reasonable to suspect that a hider hides because what is hidden would be hurtful, not helpful, if discovered, and (3) the burden of proof on anyone claiming the presidency is on the claimant, regardless of race, color, creed or sex, and if that person's "national origin" is NOT the United States, that person is not qualified.

I suggest that every presidential aspirant should produce his or her birth certificate.

In 2008, John McCain did, but Obama did not.

That make Obama suspect, not "the birthers" ridiculous.

Doug rightly provided reasons why "the birthers" are right not only to demand President Obama's birth certificate, but also, based on subsequent events in Obama's life, to seek confirmation that Obama remained a "natural-born" United States citizen even if he was born in Hawaii.

Doug:

"...those who dismiss the eligibility debate as unimportant, irrelevant, settled or 'tinfoil hats' nutz really need to cool their jets and open their minds too. While there are those who have made headlines and court cases postulating that Obama was born in Kenya and proclaiming the birth documents Obama has put forth as fraudulent, there are indeed others who reject that theory — yet still hold that there are OTHER constitutional disqualifiers for Obama. To call these people 'Birthers' would be inaccurate, as they don't dispute Obama's Hawaiian origins — as whether he were born there OR NOT, is irrelevant to their ineligibility arguments!

"It IS a fact that the document Obama hangs his hat on, the 'Certificate of Live Birth' IS NOT a 'Birth Certificate,' and CAN BE LEGALLY obtained for a child not born on US Soil. I've written previously on this so won't waste space on it here.

"It is also a fact that Obama was legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro and moved with him to Indonesia, where he was enrolled in school with documents showing him to be an INDONESIAN citizen. Why is this important? Because, at the time, there was NO Dual Citizenship between the US and Indonesia.

"Then there is the Passport Question: What passport did Obama use to travel to Pakistan?

"He couldn't have travelled on a US passport, as Pakistan was a 'no travel' destination for a US Passport holder. Was he using a Brittish passport? This would lend support to the Kenya Birth theory. And if he travelled on an Indonesian Passport, that would prove his Indonesian Citizenship, and by extension his forfeiture of any prior-existing US Citizenship. The answer to the question of what passport he presented on entry into Pakistan is of paramount importance to the eligibility/citizenship debate — and the 'Birth Certificate' is irrelevant to that answer!"

I don't assume that Obama was born in either Hawaii or in Kenya.

I think Obama should prove where he was born by producing his birth certificate, not conceal it and expect us to blindly accept his claim.

After all, Bill O'Reilly is the one who was ridiculous when he said that "birthers" believe Obama was "born on Saturn" or that no one would have falsified the place of Obama's birth because it was not expected that he would run for President of the United States.

Note to Bill: You should NOT assume that the only reason for faking Obama's birthplace would be to facilitate his election as president. There are valuable advantages to being a "natural-born" United States citizen besides being eligible to be President. Think about it! Check with the hospitals along the border to which pregnant mothers come in order to give birth to "natural-born" United States citizens.

Doug:

"Before a war erupts on the Right between the Constitutional Eligibility Challengers and their deriders, BOTH sides need to step back!

"The eligibility issue is a distraction, and as Beck RIGHTLY points out — The focus needs to be on Obama's policies. ObamaCare can still be rammed down our throats. We must put ALL our energies into convincing our elected officials that NOTHING that comes out of Conference Committee can be acceptable and WHATEVER emerges must be voted down. Focusing on 'Where's the Birth Certificate' right now will simply waste energy and resources that we need for the healthcare fight — and failing in that arena will permanently damage our Republic. PRIORITIES, PEOPLE!"

Respectfully, if the goal is to block Obama's policies, HE as well as his policies should be scrutinized.

Doug:

"The issue SHOULD be tabled until after the 2010 elections, when — hopefully — Obama's ability to dismantle our Constitutional Republic will be significantly diminished. Currently, the Obama/Reid/Pelosi Triumvirate bears enough power to do far more damage to our Constitution than the question of whether Obama meets the Constitutional qualifications for the office he was elected to and has held for a year.

"So please, challengers to Obama's eligibility... take a neutral corner for a while. The bell for the round has rung. There will be another opportunity to grapple, but right now is time for a breather, a sip of water, and some towel-fanning!

"Therefore, my admonition to the Right is this: Put the eligibility question on the shelf until after election night, 2010. It is a potentially disastrous distraction before then."

It is also "potentially disastrous" to assume that Obama is qualified to be President and a person of great personal integrity.

The sooner the whole truth about Obama and his radical enablers is generally known, the better.

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Michael J. Gaynor has been practicing law in New York since 1973. A former partner at Fulton, Duncombe & Rowe and Gaynor & Bass, he is a solo practitioner admitted to practice in New York state and federal courts and an Association of the Bar of the City of New York member.

Gaynor graduated magna cum laude, with Honors in Social Science, from Hofstra University's New College, and received his J.D. degree from St. John's Law School, where he won the American Jurisprudence Award in Evidence and served as an editor of the Law Review and the St. Thomas More Institute for Legal Research. He wrote on the Pentagon Papers case for the Review and obscenity law for The Catholic Lawyer and edited the Law Review's commentary on significant developments in New York law.

The day after graduating, Gaynor joined the Fulton firm, where he focused on litigation and corporate law. In 1997 Gaynor and Emily Bass formed Gaynor & Bass and then conducted a general legal practice, emphasizing litigation, and represented corporations, individuals and a New York City labor union. Notably, Gaynor & Bass prevailed in the Second Circuit in a seminal copyright infringement case, Tasini v. New York Times, against newspaper and magazine publishers and Lexis-Nexis. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed, 7 to 2, holding that the copyrights of freelance writers had been infringed when their work was put online without permission or compensation.

Gaynor currently contributes regularly to www.MichNews.com, www.RenewAmerica.com, www.WebCommentary.com, www.PostChronicle.com and www.therealitycheck.org and has contributed to many other websites. He has written extensively on political and religious issues, notably the Terry Schiavo case, the Duke "no rape" case, ACORN and canon law, and appeared as a guest on television and radio. He was acknowledged in Until Proven Innocent, by Stuart Taylor and KC Johnson, and Culture of Corruption, by Michelle Malkin. He appeared on "Your World With Cavuto" to promote an eBay boycott that he initiated and "The World Over With Raymond Arroyo" (EWTN) to discuss the legal implications of the Schiavo case. On October 22, 2008, Gaynor was the first to report that The New York Times had killed an Obama/ACORN expose on which a Times reporter had been working with ACORN whistleblower Anita MonCrief.

Gaynor's email address is gaynormike@aol.com.

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